Well that's only if you are late with the payment. Mathilde never was late and the college always got the correct amount, it was the stirland treasury that got hoodwinked.Heh, if there was that level of scrutiny then poor Journeywoman Mathilde would've never gotten away with embezzling. Now that I think of it, maybe paying off all of your loans on time is the real red flag...
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Codex
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I was sure that Lileath being married to Asuryan was a thing before the End Times, but it turns out that's not the case. It doesn't really matter for the quest's purposes though, since in DL Asuryan is indeed married to Lileath:
- Location
- Leeds
You aren't thinking big enough.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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- Behind the Keyboard.
Real Ranald was friends we made along the way.
Huh, could have sworn they were paired up. My mistake.
Codex
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You might have been influenced by this quote from Boney:
Asuryan creating the world and Isha giving it life very much fits with the idea of them being paired up, but they weren't. In fact, Isha is Lileath's mother.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
For a moment here I thought this was one Coinflip in twn belonging to Ranald. Which would be an odd proportion.Literally in this case since one coin out of ten belongs to Ranald.
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- on the way to the fire.
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- He
The hidden backstory behind the fall of the last Haupt-Anderssen.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqobNuxQvic&t=890s
Spiffing Brit must be having the time of his life with the release of WW3.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqobNuxQvic&t=890s
Spiffing Brit must be having the time of his life with the release of WW3.
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Mathilde: You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
Wilhelmine: It is not that bad.
Mathilde: Taxation is theft!
Wlihelmine: Aren't you a Randalite? Shouldn't you be fine with theft?
Mathilde: I am but Tax Collection is even more insidious! It is the corrupts honest good honest theft! You are the most terrible kind of thief!
Wlihelmine: Thank you for the complement but I believe you already have a girlfriend.
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So, here's one perspective on divine relationships that I haven't found discussed yet:
If Rhya isn't Isha, and Karnos, the God of sneaking out to have fun in the woods, who coincidentally shares two out of three sigils with Kurnous in a way that suggests a king without his crown, is hanging around in Taal's backyard . . . . that looks like Rhya has some explaining to do.
As I was rereading I came to the part where we invented RoW and that made me wonder about our present allies, do Ice Witches add to their lore and invent new spells? I mean for one Liljana did not seem to be that surprised when we pulled out 'the fog trick' but that might just mean she knows College Magisters do that, not necessarily that it is something her order does as well.
And then it occurred to me that might be a good indicator of what is arcane and what is divine lore that is at least halfway objective. If you are part of an arcane tradition, even one that is supported by a god then of course you can make new spells and adept those you see others cast, but if you are a priest and your power comes strictly from a god, then it is up to them what miracles get handed out, the list of spells is thus really resistant to change.
Granted you would likely need better records than the empire has to do comparative analyses in order to see if for instance Ice Witches or Damsels use new spells (they apparently do not even have records to check if there were Golden Hounds in the Great War Against Chaos) but still it is something that might theoretically be done in the future.
And then it occurred to me that might be a good indicator of what is arcane and what is divine lore that is at least halfway objective. If you are part of an arcane tradition, even one that is supported by a god then of course you can make new spells and adept those you see others cast, but if you are a priest and your power comes strictly from a god, then it is up to them what miracles get handed out, the list of spells is thus really resistant to change.
Granted you would likely need better records than the empire has to do comparative analyses in order to see if for instance Ice Witches or Damsels use new spells (they apparently do not even have records to check if there were Golden Hounds in the Great War Against Chaos) but still it is something that might theoretically be done in the future.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
I mean, Mathilde did get a meeting with Wilhelmine that one time precisely because of her giving the correct amount every time. Mostly because it was an unbelievable amount for a Journeywoman, thanks to the sales of Asarnil's book, but still.
And the college still got the correct amount. Mathilde is much more scared of the colleges then of Wilhelmine
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
The first time she met Wilhelmine was actually the much, much bigger payout when she conned a good portion of the K8P Expedition mercenaries.
The Earthmother archetype is like thatSo, here's one perspective on divine relationships that I haven't found discussed yet:
If Rhya isn't Isha, and Karnos, the God of sneaking out to have fun in the woods, who coincidentally shares two out of three sigils with Kurnous in a way that suggests a king without his crown, is hanging around in Taal's backyard . . . . that looks like Rhya has some explaining to do.
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- Aotearoa
You say conned, I say merely drunkenly directed a crowd in a celebratory mood into unlicensed gambling via dubious props to confer authority, while operating as the House with an undeclared, nigh-untraceable, and exceptionally high House margin.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
My understanding is that Mathildes MAPP has spread to a bunch of priests at this point, since as a neutral spell it can be done with divine magic, its been around for long enough for priests to become aware of it, and priests are in need of maps often enough that some of them have requested it from their gods and gotten it granted.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Off-hand I don't think Boney's said anything like that?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Mmm. Did a search and looks the same to me. There was a lot of speculation in-thread that priests might be able to use MAPP when it got codified, since the rest of the Petty and Lesser spell list is shared, but it doesn't look like that got confirmed in any way. I'd ask for WoG, but I suspect there's no in-character way for Mathilde to be able to know? Unless she asked a priest of Ranald about it at some point, I guess.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Yes, you're right. I must have misremembered because the first thing Wilhelmine mentions is connected to the windfall from Asarnil's memoirs.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
So, I was going through the apocrypha, catching up on omakes I've missed, and this one made me realize something. The Liber Mortis being Mathilde's great inheritance to her heirs—most likely Eike, yes—is… kinda weird.
Now, don't get me wrong. The thing has a lot of really nice knowledge, and gives people a pretty big apocalypse button, whether for causing or stopping it. And just having been in possession of the Liber Mortis is grounds for execution, which is a pretty hefty weight, to say nothing of it being Abelhelm's last charge. Yet for all of that, it is quite honestly the least important artifact in her story, and a poor legacy for some of those same reasons.
Where are the stories about Branalhune's inheritors, and it's legacy of service to Karak Eight Peaks and one of the eight commemorative swords? The Belt of the Unshackled Mountain, made in memory of when she tore down the black heart of Sylvania, and instrumental in her preventing another from forming? Or the Coin, a shard of stolen divinity that is both reward and responsible for her greatest feats and sacrifices in Ranald's service?
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the big doom book that we read and then shoved in a box at the back of our metaphorical closet semi-permanently just doesn't strike me as the one thing Mathilde would consider her most important possession. A pretty big concern, yes, but not the most meaningful.
- Location
- Utrecht
We just need to never die. it's Mathilde's problem, forever
- Location
- Germany
I suspect the Belt will go back to the Dwarves, since it was mentioned that Kragg is unlikely to trust humans not in hammer-range with it easily.
And I don't think we'd want to give it to an apprentice or journeyman, particularly in combination with the Liber Mortis due to the obvious temptations.
The Coin is more a vehicle for Ranald's blessing than a magic item in its own right (we've seen divine power flow when it activates, that is no bound effect divorced from direct divine action) so it will propably loose its power or find its way wherever Ranald wants it. Not fully ours to give to anyone.
Only really interesting heirloom, aside from the book, to me is Branulhune.
Codex
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Kragg didn't trust Mathilde back when he first met her. He is perfectly fine with her now, and he would be fine with her granting the Belt to her apprentice because that's how Dwarfs work. If you consider your apprentice worthy, no Dwarf is going to question you giving them your artifacts.