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I somehow failed reading comprehension. I read "allowing you to attack any spirits of the Dark Gods inhabiting him" and somehow missed the mutations part at the end.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
A few thoughts :
A few thoughts :
- The way I see it, the WP (Waystones Project) might serve as a basis to a military alliance against the next Everchoosen, getting Kislev itself on board would be huge.
- I loved his characterisation and want more of him.
- While magical support for the WP is out in the air, he might still help us with the Ice Witches and/or the Hags.
- Bringing Kislev on board the WP could mean important financial support, we've been burning our funds pretty fast and having a backer would open many buying options.
- Bringing Kislev on board might also mean that he'd be able mobilize military forces if we need them.
- Getting closer to the man who might one day have the power to outlaw slavery in Kislev would be nice.
- We might get to see if the waystone in Kislev is sending anything south.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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[X] Ice Witches
Taking the Expedition as our sample set, every interaction we've had with the Ice Witches has been either hilarious or awesome. They're also more tightly tied to the Waystones than most magic users - out of three possible spell lists for Ice Witches in Realm of the Ice Queen, one is specifically for Ley Witches and is all about channeling magic from ley lines and Waystones. Even the Jades don't go that hard on Waystone-related magic - at least, not openly.
Taking the Expedition as our sample set, every interaction we've had with the Ice Witches has been either hilarious or awesome. They're also more tightly tied to the Waystones than most magic users - out of three possible spell lists for Ice Witches in Realm of the Ice Queen, one is specifically for Ley Witches and is all about channeling magic from ley lines and Waystones. Even the Jades don't go that hard on Waystone-related magic - at least, not openly.
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Eh that still kinda tracks? I've seen a lot of great rulers managed to do their things as a result of their predecessors laying the groundwork. Even the best can't really start from nothing--see Phillip to Alexander of Macedon and Kavad to Kosrau/Khosrau in Persia
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Kislev's involved in any fight against the Everchosen kinda by necessity.
Can't exactly just let them go past.
The thing is, the Ostermark Hedgewise aren't the ones we're likely to recruit. We're probably going to the Nordlanders, and they don't have the same relationship with the Hags since they are nowhere near the border with Kislev. In the terrifying nightmare world where Halétha isn't Ranald's daughter but the secret Goddess of the Ostermark Hedgewise is that might change, but I think that is so unlikely as to not even be worth mentioning.
Could be. But they do know a lot about how Kislev is responding to the threat, since they are a large part of that response, and based on what we learned Kislev is probably dealing with more than the Empire so I think they might've gotten a closer look at the threat than anyone on the Empire side.
I couldn't begin to guess how likely Mathilde is to end up fighting the threat (which we don't actually know is Drycha, we should really stop stating that as if it were fact), and I don't really have a good grasp of the political situation in Kislev. I think that even after we approach someone we'll have to decide what shape Mathilde's help will take, and I don't even know what the options might be. For example, when Mathilde brings up the Hags she talk of 'helping them ride this out', which sounds less like going into the woods and soloing the Athel Loren host and more like helping the communities around the forest deal with 'ripples from the creature splashing about' as the Baba called it. But since we have no idea what those ripples even are, it's hard to make any sort of risk assessment.
I think if pressed I would say that I think the political risk is high with Boris and the Ice Witches and low to with the Hags, while the risk to Mathilde's personal is highest with the Hags then lower with the Ice Witches and lowest with Boris, but I'm not confident in any of that.
The threat to the Erengrad elves is part of the reason I read that line as I did, though it isn't all of it. It was just the vibe I got from him.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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We'll yes, I was just concerned about how he seemed to assume most if not all of his workers have such problems, which struck more as "everybody around me are clearly idiots," arrogance than an actual concern for people with learning problems. But i might have misread that and it's a minor character who will probably never appear again, so it's not really all that important.
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Do Everchosen always come from the north? Do they always attack Kislev first?
I mean, Alberich is an exemple of a potential imperial Everchosen we don't know if he would have joined the north to marshal Norse and Kurgan forces first. Perhaps an Everchoosen could start with Beastmen or Chaos Cults.
But even if not and a potential Everchosen attacks Kislev first, having an organisation dedicated to research on Waystones and protection and repair of the existing network could do wonder to get forces dispatched quickly in member states in the name of protecting the Waystones Network.
Just imagine it, the Everchosen steps in Kislev, but before he gets time to acumulate momentum, allies start to arrive.
Mopman43
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There's a limited sample size. Asavar Kul and Archaon are the only known-for-sure canon examples of Everchosen that attacked while Kislev existed, and they came through Kislev.
Chaos's base of power is the Wastes, the steppes, and Norsca, where you can get every tribe to fall in line. It's a reasonable assumption that they'd go through Kislev.
The army of the everchosen has to come from the Wastes, nothing else is a meaningful threat on that scale. Keep in mind the Dark Gods think beastmen are boring and stupid and cultists are just would be Champions without the guts to go north to the Wastes.
Yes and yes.
That said, the southern realms tend to be... Slow... To react to a storm of chaos, so I'm broadly in support of a pan-national organisation that can light the beacons as soon as the everchosen marches south.
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[X] Ice Witches
As said, the Chaos Waste is Chaos' stronghold into the world ever since the Polar Gates collapse so long ago and allow the Realm of Chaos to bleed over into this world, so it make sense the Everchosen always gather their army there and then march southward.
Granted, I'm sure there been one, or two outliner who tried to gather their host from elsewhere, or something like that.
Granted, I'm sure there been one, or two outliner who tried to gather their host from elsewhere, or something like that.
In external lore, the second Everchosen got killed by a dwarf lord, so it's plausible he came south through the Ogre Kingdoms and Dark Lands and bashed his face in on the Karaz Ankor.
Deathfang might have indirectly implied that at least one of them got fucked up by dragons in Cathay, since it's hard to imagine anything else that would cause him to travel that far.
redharuspex
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[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
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Not too sold on this one - Deathfang doesn't necessarily have to be involved in world-ending threats to go and visit his cousins.
The Magic of Coordination
Ten years ago, it would probably have taken days or week before Boris even knew something was wrong. Border villages would have stopped sending messages and, in time, sightings of the warhost would have made it through to the capital in time. If he was lucky, the local aristocrat would have taken the matter seriously enough to send for reinforcements and from then he'd have had to get the nobility in line to coordinate a defense. By the time he was ready, much of the motherland would have been burning.
Instead, he was awoken in the middle of the night by the sound of the first gyrocarriage arriving in is couryard.
He barely had the time to put on a bear pelt and head with his wife to the war room, after all, matters must be grave for such a breach of decorum by the Waystones Project representatives.
"I'm glad to see you Boris, although I would prefer it if I was bringing better news." The shadow infused woman intoned. "Nevertheless, there is work to do. We have received word from Karak Vlag through the Network. They are presently besieged and their scouts bring news of an even bigger force heading your way. Already, the output coming from the borders has started dipping. The signatories have been notified or are being notified right now. This might be a major incursion."
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Always steadfast, Karaz Ankor were amongst the first to arrive. Dozens of metal airship carrying cannons, weapons and fast dispatch units for the signatories. Amongst the notable, Damsels and their Knights, Elven and human wizards, Runelords, Clerics and others.
Then the ships from Marienburg started arriving with supplies and armies, first a trickle, then a flood of armies and mercenaries from all over the Old World. The city was filled to the brim even though most stayed only for a few day before being directed to the front.
Boris looked at the north where he was heading to marshal Kislev's own forces. The fighting to be had would be grim, but this time they were not fighting alone.
Instead, he was awoken in the middle of the night by the sound of the first gyrocarriage arriving in is couryard.
He barely had the time to put on a bear pelt and head with his wife to the war room, after all, matters must be grave for such a breach of decorum by the Waystones Project representatives.
"I'm glad to see you Boris, although I would prefer it if I was bringing better news." The shadow infused woman intoned. "Nevertheless, there is work to do. We have received word from Karak Vlag through the Network. They are presently besieged and their scouts bring news of an even bigger force heading your way. Already, the output coming from the borders has started dipping. The signatories have been notified or are being notified right now. This might be a major incursion."
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Always steadfast, Karaz Ankor were amongst the first to arrive. Dozens of metal airship carrying cannons, weapons and fast dispatch units for the signatories. Amongst the notable, Damsels and their Knights, Elven and human wizards, Runelords, Clerics and others.
Then the ships from Marienburg started arriving with supplies and armies, first a trickle, then a flood of armies and mercenaries from all over the Old World. The city was filled to the brim even though most stayed only for a few day before being directed to the front.
Boris looked at the north where he was heading to marshal Kislev's own forces. The fighting to be had would be grim, but this time they were not fighting alone.
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I thought that calculation changed when we found out that the Ostermarkers secret deity was "familiar and oddly comfortable", making them now of equal interest compared to the Halethan Nordlanders. Apparently there is a chance that the mystery goddess is Haletha, or that she is her sister, but with Haletha herself we are still on the level o pure (if well founded) speculation while with the Ostermarkers we have some IC textual evidence.
Where else could they gather a massive mortal army? All Old World or Old World adjacent lands are either controlled by Order factions or don't have a direct line to the allies of Chaos that doesn't go through Order controlled lands. And the types of armies don't lend themselves to a purely ship based amphibian invasion.
I guess one option would be for the Everchosen to co-opt the Chaos Dwarves first and then invade from southeast instead of northeast. But that would be harder due to being forced to attack Dwarf-controlled lands through mountains. Maybe if Ind was supposed to be the first target and then the Everchosen pivots west from there after either defeating Ind or being driven back from there without being shattered in the failure.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Tamurkhan tried something like that. He went through the Mountains of Mourn, then the Dark Lands, then through Death Pass, the Border Princes, and across the Black Mountains (they didn't take Black Fire Pass, they took a different one) to attack Nuln.
Not sure you could describe it as a good idea- they took a ton of attrition before even getting to the Empire. If he hadn't recruited help from the Legion of Azgorh (Chaos Dwarfs in the Black Fortress) his force might not have ever even gotten there.
[X] Ice Witches
Maybe he was sightseeing? Providing sarcastic commentary about how poorly his cousins are doing?
About, Everchosen always coming from the north and through Kislev. Then why are there Everchosen unaccounted for.
As other have mentionned a force from the north could go through Cathay, the Dark Lands, the World Edge Mountains, the Dark Elves' domain, etc. Considering Chaos forces now control all of the Norse Lands since the Norse Dwarves are gone they could also invade through the seas a variety of targets.
And then, there is the fact that we could see some more unconventional Everchosen Candidates from Boney. Maybe Beastmen, Asrai, Skaven, Orcs are possible if they are in the tournement and end up on top.
As other have mentionned a force from the north could go through Cathay, the Dark Lands, the World Edge Mountains, the Dark Elves' domain, etc. Considering Chaos forces now control all of the Norse Lands since the Norse Dwarves are gone they could also invade through the seas a variety of targets.
And then, there is the fact that we could see some more unconventional Everchosen Candidates from Boney. Maybe Beastmen, Asrai, Skaven, Orcs are possible if they are in the tournement and end up on top.
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Mopman43
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Because not every Everchosen has invaded the Old World (presumably).
If there's an Everchosen attacking Cathay, the Old World isn't going to hear about it for years, and would be in no position to support them either way.
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Forgot the bit about it being the collapse of the Great Bastion - that definitely does sound Everchosen level stuff.Maybe he was sightseeing? Providing sarcastic commentary about how poorly his cousins are doing?
It's also interesting that that was north enough that Deathfang counted it as Chaos Wastes, and further north than Asarnil had ever gone.