If anything I think Ice magic is the harder to translate, they use a 'wind' that seems to be localized with Kislev, by contrast the Hags deal with spirits, that is within the framework of Teclisian theory... granted it is within the theory for deamonology, but we at least have apparition binding to fall back on
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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If anything I think Ice magic is the harder to translate, they use a 'wind' that seems to be localized with Kislev, by contrast the Hags deal with spirits, that is within the framework of Teclisian theory... granted it is within the theory for deamonology, but we at least have apparition binding to fall back on
Finally, apparition binding finds its way into the narrative in a natural way!
I'm leaning towards Boris myself—if we can prove to him that the Waystone project can transcend borders at this early juncture, then that makes bringing in both official Kislev help and official Bretonnia help easier.
Hags could be troublesome due to the language barrier and the fact that we don't have a foot in the door with them, but Mathilde lays out some good reasons why they'd be very useful for the Waystone project.
And the Ice Witches will be very grateful if we can catapult them into political relevancy again, and we know they have Waystone knowledge—how else would future Tzarina Katarin build an entire wing of the palace put of enchanted ice? By tying the enchantment to the Waystone, probably.
Honestly, all good choices.
Hags could be troublesome due to the language barrier and the fact that we don't have a foot in the door with them, but Mathilde lays out some good reasons why they'd be very useful for the Waystone project.
And the Ice Witches will be very grateful if we can catapult them into political relevancy again, and we know they have Waystone knowledge—how else would future Tzarina Katarin build an entire wing of the palace put of enchanted ice? By tying the enchantment to the Waystone, probably.
Honestly, all good choices.
One thing we should keep in mind is that the problem is local, so for instance if we escalate this all the way to Boris he will then (if he believes us) have to leverage his authority on the local Ice Witches to get them to work with us anyway. They might not be entirely down with having two imperial mages foisted on them from on high. I think Boris may be more high risk high reward.
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[ ] Ice Witches
You are staying right here in Rakhov, to offer your services to the local Boyar and to work alongside the Ice Witches.
Least time travelling before we even talk to someone about the problem, we know enough about it to explain to an Ice Witch and it's at the right geographical scale to localise the source. The Tsar is too broad and would have to delegate down to someone who can find and deal with the problem. Hag Witches are too narrow, we might have to visitt several before we can find one close enough to be helpful - and if a major response is required we'd have to escalate to the Boyar anyway.
[ ] Ice Witches
You are staying right here in Rakhov, to offer your services to the local Boyar and to work alongside the Ice Witches.
Least time travelling before we even talk to someone about the problem, we know enough about it to explain to an Ice Witch and it's at the right geographical scale to localise the source. The Tsar is too broad and would have to delegate down to someone who can find and deal with the problem. Hag Witches are too narrow, we might have to visitt several before we can find one close enough to be helpful - and if a major response is required we'd have to escalate to the Boyar anyway.
I mean given that this is Drycha we are almost certainly going to have to make use of the resources of the Boyar. She is scary enough on her own to make Alberich look like a gnat, and that is not going into the army of fey she can command.
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I think you misunderstood, I was replying to the idea that we might not even be able to speak with the hags due to language issues. My point was that the crossover between the two would mean people in both groups who speak the others language.
The "slightly clever person who thought they were a very clever person" would've tried to detain Mathilde after making several "REJECT" stamps on the College letters of patent
While there is no 'trap option', Mathy can be mistaken, and I think she is underestimating how tricky working with the hags will be without a 'in'.
I would like to pick Boris, but I'm not sure how much that is me being logical, and how much that is TW hype, so I'll just look at the arguments for a bit.
Also, going to boris will be a good excuse to get Johann near the Kislev city Waystone to see about that block…
I would like to pick Boris, but I'm not sure how much that is me being logical, and how much that is TW hype, so I'll just look at the arguments for a bit.
Also, going to boris will be a good excuse to get Johann near the Kislev city Waystone to see about that block…
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On the off chance that this is Drycha we should pick Boris because we might need the big guns if it turns out that she's doing something particularly nasty.
[] Ice Witches
Build on our existing connections and spread out from there.
The Tsarevich still has nothing to offer but mundane money. And likely still has outrageous expectations for results.
The Hag Witches are risky to contact until we know what their relations with the Ice Witches are like. And what languages they have access to.
Build on our existing connections and spread out from there.
The Tsarevich still has nothing to offer but mundane money. And likely still has outrageous expectations for results.
The Hag Witches are risky to contact until we know what their relations with the Ice Witches are like. And what languages they have access to.
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Just got caught up on this excellent quest, thanks for writing @Boney !
I think Ice Witches are the best option to start with because they are in this city, so less travel time, and are likely to have all the reports from the region.
The hags might have super detailed information on one part of the woods, but we might miss the big picture.
I think Ice Witches are the best option to start with because they are in this city, so less travel time, and are likely to have all the reports from the region.
The hags might have super detailed information on one part of the woods, but we might miss the big picture.
I'm stuck between Boris and and the ice witches. Boris because he would be the one to be able to drum up the most support for this (this being both drycha and the waystone project) and he would like us because we are proactively solving a problem for him. And the ice witches because they have the knowledge and they also would like us if we proactively solve their problems for them.
I am not so sure about that, for himself Boris is not that useful, I mean what is he going to do, give us arcane lore and aid himself? No, the best he can do is command the Ice Witches and maybe Hag Witches, though the latter will be limited by their intensely local nature. A hag witch does not have many dealings with the nobility.
[X] Ice Witches
The only thing about the ice witches I want to be wary of is that they are notorious assholes. (Half their arcane marks back them more an more of a cool bitch, pun intended I'm assuming.)
I don't want to one hundred present want to assume they would 'give' a lot of favour or that their favour is worth a lot. (E.g 10 ice witch favour would get you what 2 dwarf favour or 2 college favour would get you comparatively.)
In that sense, boris or the Hags, might be less or harder to get, but they might be more reliable when it comes to giving back.
In that sense
I don't want to one hundred present want to assume they would 'give' a lot of favour or that their favour is worth a lot. (E.g 10 ice witch favour would get you what 2 dwarf favour or 2 college favour would get you comparatively.)
In that sense, boris or the Hags, might be less or harder to get, but they might be more reliable when it comes to giving back.
In that sense
I think I'm going to hold off voting for the moment, because I kinda want to vote for all three, so I'm going to wait for more arguments for/against before I place my X.
[X] Ice Witches
I think this is best for reasons outlined above, though I could live with Boris, just think it might cost us time, which may be a limited resource, depending on what the fey are up to. Also they might not take to princely meddling as well, whereas if the locals need support from the capital they can just request it though official channels instead of having a grey wizard rush over their heads.
For the record I would love to be able to do Hag witches, they probably have some really interesting spirit lore, it's just without an in I think we would have a much harder time actually getting a hearing never mind any sort of cooperation.
I think this is best for reasons outlined above, though I could live with Boris, just think it might cost us time, which may be a limited resource, depending on what the fey are up to. Also they might not take to princely meddling as well, whereas if the locals need support from the capital they can just request it though official channels instead of having a grey wizard rush over their heads.
For the record I would love to be able to do Hag witches, they probably have some really interesting spirit lore, it's just without an in I think we would have a much harder time actually getting a hearing never mind any sort of cooperation.
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[X] Ice Witches
I think what people mean is that he can Call up a army to fight the problem. And maybe be a go between for the ice witches and the hags.
It's just that we won't get as much from him I. Raw favour, so we would need to work for him more before we get the favour to have him presses the ice witches or hags to help.