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- United States
[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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While this is true, it is a much harder time limit then most other self improvement actions. Plus I do think that this is something we can fail on requiring multiple attempts, meaning that i would rather not put it off till the last moment only to get screwed by dice.
I mean it is not like anyone is going to die if we take an apprentice without taking that class from the first go, so as far as the dice screwing us it would be pretty mild.
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Do you want past Mathilde's disapproving glare to transcend time and space to judge us from back when she was bemoaning Panoramia's crappy instruction? Because this line of thought is how you get it.
[x] Longshanks
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
[x] Ice Witches
[x] The Ostermark Hedgewise
I want a good working relationship with either of these two parties (preferably both). And approaching the Hedgewise after our first contacts are local Witch Hunters (which includes the Longshanks) is dangerous and leaves a bad impression.
I don't know how they will feel about Johann or Johann about them. But I assume Mathilde can deal with that.
Edit: These are the Halethan Hedgewise we are thinking of recruiting, right? I'm not confusing them with a more agreeable and convenient group worshipping the same goddess somewhere closer to Laurelorn.
[x] The Ostermark Hedgewise
I want a good working relationship with either of these two parties (preferably both). And approaching the Hedgewise after our first contacts are local Witch Hunters (which includes the Longshanks) is dangerous and leaves a bad impression.
I don't know how they will feel about Johann or Johann about them. But I assume Mathilde can deal with that.
Edit: These are the Halethan Hedgewise we are thinking of recruiting, right? I'm not confusing them with a more agreeable and convenient group worshipping the same goddess somewhere closer to Laurelorn.
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My guess is Heidi.
I think taking classes at turn 39 is probably prudent enough. The worse case scenario is that we screw it up to the point that we think we should take it again and Eike becomes ready to be an apprentice on turn 40, but even in that case we can just take it again on turn 40 and since the order of actions in a turn is determined by what is most advantageous to us we will get another shot before actually teaching Eike.
And it's not like Mathilde has zero experience teaching: she has worked with junior wizards in the form of the duckling club, and she taught someone with a Windsight very different from her own when she helped Johann. Even in the absence of a class on the subject I doubt Mathilde will be completely useless as a teacher.
Speaking of teaching, we should definitely teach Max Eltharin, if he isn't learning already. Besides the fact that he'll obviously need it on the project, we have some rubbings from an Asur explorer with his name on them.
Mopman43
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These aren't particularly Halethan Hedgewise, those are the ones in Nordland and Ostland, while these are the Ostermark ones.
This would be good enough, but given how tight we are on free AP i would rather start promoting the option now.
They are a mystery cult, so for all we know they might worship Halétha (or her secret sister! Ranald's second daughter confirmed!) but no, the Haléthans we are thinking of recruiting are the conveniently located Nordlanders.
Fair enough. I will happily commit to shilling for taking teaching classes on turn 39, unless we somehow failed to turn the coin to the Father by turn 39 (please don't) in which case I will be focused on that.
Isn't this more of a function of Mathilde's abilities in a stand up fight, whilst significant, are somewhat lesser than her ability to take a sneakier approach.
I though they meant teaching a class in order to make Mathilde a bit more familiar with teaching
My impression was that teaching apprentices went very flight school meme with individual Magisters doing what they thought best in a non-standard way (except for tips from more experienced Magisters or LMs).
Not sure if she'd be considered qualified to evaluate a Grey LM (unless Elrisse is also a Ranaldite).
If Kurtis has family ties here then these Hedgewise might be easier to recruit.
Kurtis didn't suggest them when the idea came up. He explicitly mentioned the geographically proximate Middenlanders and Nordlanders:
so he probably doesn't think so, and he would know best.
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[x] Longshanks
[x] Ice Witches
Both are fine.
[x] Ice Witches
Both are fine.
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[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
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[x] Morrite Witch Hunters
[x] League of Ostermark
[x] League of Ostermark
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Alright, I'm in a state to do a reaction post, so here goes. Not much is in the update as a result of it being a transition, but I'm already getting a different vibe to this mystery than the one in Talabheim. Maybe it's the way that Boney set the scene, but the choked and dark atmosphere of Bechafen and the surrounding forest gives a different vibe to the urban Talabheim that involved lots of Urban maneuvering. It's still too early to tell, but I can see the beginnings of a different arc starting from the word go, which I appreciate. Leave it to Boney to make two mysteries in the same turn and not have it be repetetive.
I also think it's funny how vibrant his description of Alric sniffing around is like. I think he might be old enough to form a grudge against him, even if it's only tangential, because I think Boney said he probably joined around the Arcane Nights time period or right afterward.
I think it's been a little while, but this is a nice headpat.
"Bechafen is famous for its boatyards, where some of the finest river craft in the Empire are made. There are also two waterpowered sawmills here, a gift of the King of Karak-Kadrin. These turn the logs brought down-river into more easily transported planks. Unfortunately, they are also favourite places for Bechafen's criminal gangs to dispose of people who have crossed them." Heirs of Sigmar Page 70-71
As a side note, I really have to wonder what made Mordheim so special that it could compete with Altdorf and Nuln. Both Altdorf and Nuln were built over Elven major settlements/constructions and were built on nexus points in the River Reik, giving them an immense advantage in trade and general advancement. Nuln's industry and Altdorf's progressiveness have set them apart from the rest of the Imperial cities with the exception of only a few whose histories and position allowed them to rival them (Middenheim's position for the Cult of Ulric, Talabheim's important to the Cult of Taal, the excellent materials provided by the environment and being a nexus point on the Talabec).
But Mordheim doesn't have those advantages. As far as I know it wasn't built on a former Dwarf or Elf settlement. Before the warpstone meteor hit the city Mordheim wasn't a particularly magical place (or at least I don't think so) aside from their proximity to Sylvania. Mordheim does not have a particular religous importance to any of the Cults, aside from I suppose the extinct Sisters of Sigmar which I believe the main Cult of Sigmar disdained. Even Mordheim's position does not grant it many trade opportunities because it's on the Stir, which is an inferior river way to the Talabec and borders Sylvania/has far less local materials to harvest. I really do wonder why Mordheim was so special. I know it had one of the greatest libraries in the Old World and that it held a great deal of importance and was quite prosperous, but I've never known why. Perhaps that's because I haven't gotten into the Mordheim spin off of Warhammer, which as far as I know goes into a lot of detail about Mordheim (although it's primary focus is the fall of Mordheim and not its life).
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[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
[X] The Ostermark Hedgewise
I'm also pretty happy with how it turned out. I find it funny that Regimand, being such an old and grizzled veteran with so many contacts, seems to hold this much disdain towards politics. My guess is that he got involved at some point and never wanted to go back, preferring his "cushy job" so to speak. He's a rogue agent, not a politician.
I also think it's funny how vibrant his description of Alric sniffing around is like. I think he might be old enough to form a grudge against him, even if it's only tangential, because I think Boney said he probably joined around the Arcane Nights time period or right afterward.
The flippant way Regiman refers to Tor Lithanel is amusing. Also, never let it be said that Grey Wizards aren't adaptable. He hears that Mathilde is getting involved in yet another political favor sharing mission right after her first one and his reaction is to nod and accept it now that he's gotten used to the idea of her being a political factor.
This is very sweet. It's nice to see Regimand commenting and seeing firsthand how much Mathilde has grown, because there weren't many opportunities for that across the quest.
I think it's been a little while, but this is a nice headpat.
This is generally all that Heirs of Sigmar has on Bechafen. Crowded, gloomy, defensible, dark wood, excellent trade, river boat builders, ferry and sawmills. There is a neat piece of lore attached to the boatyards though:
"Bechafen is famous for its boatyards, where some of the finest river craft in the Empire are made. There are also two waterpowered sawmills here, a gift of the King of Karak-Kadrin. These turn the logs brought down-river into more easily transported planks. Unfortunately, they are also favourite places for Bechafen's criminal gangs to dispose of people who have crossed them." Heirs of Sigmar Page 70-71
As a side note, I really have to wonder what made Mordheim so special that it could compete with Altdorf and Nuln. Both Altdorf and Nuln were built over Elven major settlements/constructions and were built on nexus points in the River Reik, giving them an immense advantage in trade and general advancement. Nuln's industry and Altdorf's progressiveness have set them apart from the rest of the Imperial cities with the exception of only a few whose histories and position allowed them to rival them (Middenheim's position for the Cult of Ulric, Talabheim's important to the Cult of Taal, the excellent materials provided by the environment and being a nexus point on the Talabec).
But Mordheim doesn't have those advantages. As far as I know it wasn't built on a former Dwarf or Elf settlement. Before the warpstone meteor hit the city Mordheim wasn't a particularly magical place (or at least I don't think so) aside from their proximity to Sylvania. Mordheim does not have a particular religous importance to any of the Cults, aside from I suppose the extinct Sisters of Sigmar which I believe the main Cult of Sigmar disdained. Even Mordheim's position does not grant it many trade opportunities because it's on the Stir, which is an inferior river way to the Talabec and borders Sylvania/has far less local materials to harvest. I really do wonder why Mordheim was so special. I know it had one of the greatest libraries in the Old World and that it held a great deal of importance and was quite prosperous, but I've never known why. Perhaps that's because I haven't gotten into the Mordheim spin off of Warhammer, which as far as I know goes into a lot of detail about Mordheim (although it's primary focus is the fall of Mordheim and not its life).
I thought Johann was still wearing a blindfold to cover his blind eyes, so this was informative as to what he currently looks like. I don't know why I expected milky eyes. Of course he has blank golden eyes, since the gold adhered to his eyeballs in the failed gilding process. I imagine he can be quite unsettling to the uninitiated.
He's probably used to being covered in metal, which is probably more comfortable to his wind sight than wood. Living wood is attuned to Ghyran, but dead wood used to ferry people is probably relatively neutral. He'd still prefer solid metal over wood though.
Perhaps there should be some sort of border organisation dedicated to coordinating Kislev and the Empire's efforts to deal with problems that encroach on their shared borders if the problem here is that half of the puzzle is in Kislev and the other half is in the Empire. Whoever this is seems to be taking advantage of the disparate nature of the Old World nation's cooperation to get away scott free and sow confusion. Not really in Mathilde's purview, but maybe someone can be convinced to lobby for such an organisation if we prove that the problem was a lack of cooperation and pass it up the chain to someone who can make it someone else's business.
I suppose Hertwig's Folly never happened in this universe considering his reputation is still intact. Lucky guy. His canonical version was haunted by that event.
Fun fact: While one of the earliest posts in this thread from Boney puts Morr under Classical Gods and that is true, another detail is that Morr is also an Elder God. Morr was worshipped by the Ostagoths, the pre-imperial tribe of Ostermark before the Empire was a thing, and while Morr's name was forgotten and his Classical name was adopted, he is still present in many of the older myths and stories about the Elder Gods, often as part of a triad between Morr, Taal and Ulric, governing different aspects of existence. As such, Morr is one of the most worshipped gods in Ostermark, and one could say that aside from Stirland close to Sylvania, Morr's presence is strongest in Ostermark. They're mostly in Essen in southern Ostermark close to Mordheim and the Dead Wood/Sylvania, but I imagine there's a contingent here as well.
When we approached Liljiana about Morghur, her response about us asking her about Beastmen was saying that it was "Hag Business". Ice Witches are good, but their focus is tilted north towards the coming of Chaos, and it's the Hag Witches in southern Kislev who are more attuned to the spirits of the forest. The downside to getting involved with the Hedgewise and Hag Witches is that we'd be involved with both illegal magic users in the Empire and the sometimes persecuted by Gospodar Hag Witches of Kislev. It would likely make it much more difficult if not lock out the ability to involve higher authorities, at the cost of a more intimate understanding of the Forest.
I like Boris, I want him to get in power, and I think he's a determined individual who would be very interested in settling this matter. He's also one of the people most likely to be able to institute a border task force for coordination if the matter comes to his attention, which is an idea I like. His involvement would likely make a few things more complicated however, because it requires cross border communication.
I don't think this is their field. I'd prefer to get Boris or the Hag Witches over them. They're more well suited in the Oblasts, not the forests.
Not fond of this. Mathilde doesn't have much of a power base in Ostermark so her work would be incredibly slow as she has to build one from scratch to get an info network going and then sift through it.
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[X] Tsarevich Boris Bokha
[X] The Ostermark Hedgewise
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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- Neverland
[X] Longshanks
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- USA
I'm not sure if "rogue" is the right word you're looking for, since the Grey Order exists to hunt down rogue agents and bad actors, with only the Magisters Vigilant being more specialized.
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[x] Longshanks
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He acted as a double agent inside the Lahmian conspiracy without negotiating it with his superiors and without getting a Handler, which is what you're supposed to do as a double agent. He said "better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission". I'm not sure how much more you need to be called a rogue agent.
He also assassinated the empress for the good of the Empire, only way to be more rogue than that would be to kill the man with the hammer.
Regimand seems most comfortable at a lower level of policy making or at least without doing the highest level of decisions - the same way he's comfortable with Smoke and Mirrors but eschews the higher level Battle Magic.
He might have unofficially reported some of the stuff to Algard even if he did it in such a way that Algard could claim that he didn't know without technically lying.
Considering that Algard's reaction to Queekish was 'we can probably pass this to Luitpold' there's probably a number of Grey College secrets that are cloaked in technicalities.
Damn you.
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I genuinely prefer to be Gnomed. It's always delightful when I see that jolly old chum as opposed to being rickrolled.