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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Tobtorp said:
Generally don't expect anything from the quinsberry library action but getting a bit of goodwill from the halflings. And maybe some awesome pie recipes.
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Pie recipes are Esmeralda's thing more than Quinsberry's, but I assume there are a few holy cookbooks of Esmerald lying around in there.

There are a few noteworthy Halfling books that I can remember. The Halfling Cookbook is the only remnant of the "Halfling Wars" between Halflings and Ogres, and it boosts a Butcher's ability to deal with the backlash of the Lore of the Great Maw. Bimbo's Book of Sage Advice is a book made by the infamous Bimbo Baggins of the "Comradeship".

Aside from that it's the usual lineage charts.
 
Codex said:
Pie recipes are Esmeralda's thing more than Quinsberry's, but I assume there are a few holy cookbooks of Esmerald lying around in there.

There are a few noteworthy Halfling books that I can remember. The Halfling Cookbook is the only remnant of the "Halfling Wars" between Halflings and Ogres, and it boosts a Butcher's ability to deal with the backlash of the Lore of the Great Maw. Bimbo's Book of Sage Advice is a book made by the infamous Bimbo Baggins of the "Comradeship".

Aside from that it's the usual lineage charts.
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... They really named him bimbo... Fucking games workshops how am I supposed to take the hobbit serious ever again...
 
The vote as it stands currently. Verenan version of compromise is only 6 votes behind. Depending on how many people there are who approval voted both but prefer Verena, they might just need to drop the approval to change the winner.
Adhoc vote count started by Aranfan on Dec 22, 2021 at 11:27 AM, finished with 685 posts and 114 votes.
  • [X] Plan Compromise
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays gold costs.
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] LIBRARY: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Quinsberry)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] COIN: The Night Prowler
    [X] Plan Compromise + Verenans
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays gold costs.
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] COIN: The Night Prowler
    [X] Plan Stacking Advantages
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays gold costs.
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    [X] Plan Starting up debt free
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Egrimm) (NEW)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Johann) (NEW)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[x] The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Serenity: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire. (NEW)
    -[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
    -[X] The Gambler
    [X] Plan Pickle's Political Protector Proposal
    -[X] MAX: Study an artefact: Kurgan enchanted weapons
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Frost)
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] COIN: The Protector
    [X] Plan: Jyn+debt free
    -[X] MAX: Learning: How to fly a Gyrocopter
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with Johann
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with Johann and Egrimm
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of the Frost)
    -[X] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: Have Lord Magister Krammovitch introduce you to the Hedgefolk of The Forest of Shadows to get your foot in the door.
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    [X] Way of Stones
    [X] Plan Quinsberry Compromise
    -[X] MAX: Study an artefact: Kurgan enchanted weapons
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Frost)
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] LIBRARY: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Quinsberry)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] COIN: The Protector
    [x] Plan: Hugo Bann is the man.
    -[x] MAX: Learning: Powerstone creation with Mathilde
    -[x] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm: Ring of Sudden Dawn
    -[x] WEB-MAT: Attempt to recruit someone to WEB-MAT: Hugo Bann
    -[X] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Frost)
    -[x] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantment
    -[x] Investigate Alric - The Night Prowler
    -[x] Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries: Quinsberry
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    [X] Plan Starting up debt free, Windherd Edition
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Egrimm) (NEW)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Johann) (NEW)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[x] The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Serenity: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire. (NEW)
    -[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
    -[X] The Gambler
    [X] Plan Verenan Compromise + Bright Pilot
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays gold costs.
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] COIN: The Night Prowler
    [X] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    [X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    [x] Plan: Waystone scrutiny, payments promised and Wind herding
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    --[X] Coin: Gambler
    -[X] JOHANN: Learning: Enchanting.
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Mathilde+Johann) (NEW)
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[x] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm: Ring of Sudden Dawn
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
    -[X] Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (specify which: Cult of Sigmar)
    [X] Plan Project Soon
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Serenity: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
    [X] Plan Stacking Advantages
    -[X] MAX: Study an artefact: Kurgan enchanted weapons
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Frost)
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    [X] Plan Maximum Field Trip
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays gold costs.
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN, MAX, EGRIMM)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN, MAX)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
    -[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    [X] Plan Fire Beats Ice (Compromise variant)
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays gold costs.
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot: Adela (NEW)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] LIBRARY: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Quinsberry)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] COIN: The Night Prowler
    [X] Plan Compromise + Verenan
    [X] Plan Compromise + Verenans + Gambler
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Rituals from the colleges. Mathilde pays gold costs.
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Investigate Alric
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] COIN: The Gambler: Personally scrutinize a Waystone
    [X] Plan: Jyn: let talk to people
    -[X] MAX: Learn to pilot the Gyrocopter along with Mathilde
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Johann and Egrimm)
    -[X] MAX: Receive dictation: The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual (FADED)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of the Frost)
    -[X] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: Have Lord Magister Krammovitch introduce you to the Hedgefolk of The Forest of Shadows to get your foot in the door.
    -[X] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: use the pretext of your recent interest in Hekarti to contact and get the feel of House Tindomiel
    -[X] COIN: The Father
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] Serenity: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    [X] Plan: Jyn+Lay the foundations
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Johann and Egrimm)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of the Frost)
    -[X] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: Have Lord Magister Krammovitch introduce you to the Hedgefolk of The Forest of Shadows to get your foot in the door.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    --[x] The Gambler
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    [X] Plan Allies and Favours
    -[X] MAX: Study an artefact: (Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
    -[X] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Frost)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Nordlander Hedgewise)
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (House Tindomiel)
    -[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
    -[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
    -[X] Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm
    -[X] The Father
    [X] Plan Starting up debt free, with Webmat field trip
    -[X] MAX: Learning: Gyrocopter lessons from Prince Gotri's pilots.
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Egrimm) (NEW)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Johann, Egrimm, Max) (NEW)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Frost)
    -[X] Serenity: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire. (NEW)
    -[X] Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Bretonnia)
    -[X] The Protector
    [X] Plan WEB-MAT All-In
    -[X] MAX: Study an artefact: Kurgan enchanted weapons
    -[X] MAX: Learn to pilot the Gyrocopter along with Mathilde
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (Egrimm) (NEW)
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH) (Johann, Egrimm)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[X] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire. (NEW)
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual
    -[X] COIN: The Protector
    [X] Plan Stacking Advantages, Windherd Edition
    -[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm
    --[X] Shadowsteed & Clarity, allowing the user to ride all night without sleep
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
    --[X] COIN: The Gambler
    -[X] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
    -[x] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
    -[x] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
    -[X] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Frost)
    -[X] EIC: Try to uncover what's going on in Gryphon's Wood.
    -[X] Library: Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)
    -[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
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mathymancer said:
Uhh...From context I'm pretty sure that's a book about cooking halflings, not a book about cooking written by halflings.
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So we should probably be careful about letting the locals see it if we get a copy. But seriously if ogres do write books we should try and get our hands on them, if they can be hired as mercenaries surely they'd be willing to trade/sell books too.
 
Jreengus said:
So we should probably be careful about letting the locals see it if we get a copy. But seriously if ogres do write books we should try and get our hands on them, if they can be hired as mercenaries surely they'd be willing to trade/sell books too.
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I get the impression most Ogres are not great on the literacy scale, or really interested in penmanship.
 
Changing vote:

[X] Plan Compromise
[X] Plan Compromise + Verenans

Since Quinsberry seems to be the Halfling counterpart to Verena both cults should eventually get invited so whoever gets first doesn't really seem significant.

mathymancer said:
Uhh...From context I'm pretty sure that's a book about cooking halflings, not a book about cooking written by halflings.
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Well that knowledge still has some niche application.
 
Mountains of Mourne Ogres don't read or write, aside from Grumbarth (pictographic). They have no reason to. They do have a system of writing, but they do so by painting on walls or daubing as war paint. They use pictograms and symbols to convey concepts that are largely understandable to them as a culture/society. A mountain represents toughness and strength. Gnoblars represent slaves. Coming of the Maw represents fear. This is all described in 6th Edition.

They don't make books. They make sick paintings though.
 
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Zero Gravitas said:
Changing vote:

[X] Plan Compromise
[X] Plan Compromise + Verenans

Since Quinsberry seems to be the Halfling counterpart to Verena both cults should eventually get invited so whoever gets first doesn't really seem significant.



Well that knowledge still has some niche application.
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As it's said his main priorities are tradition and ancestry, he might have gained a small knowledge part in the later books but setting him on the same platform as Verena is like saying Harold the God of woolsocks, carpets and accidental static discharges is pretty much the same a Zeus or Thor. Doesn't really work.
 
Tobtorp said:
As it's said his main priorities are tradition and ancestry, he might have gained a small knowledge part in the later books but setting him on the same platform as Verena is like saying Harold the God of woolsocks, carpets and accidental static discharges is pretty much the same a Zeus or Thor. Doesn't really work.
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Mathilde thought him important enough to embed into the bedrock of the library if we picked the holy option. She's the one who originally put him on the same platform as Verena:
Boney said:
[ ] Holy
Most libraries are dedicated to one God or another, so why not follow the trend? Carve dedications to Verena, Valaya, Quinsberry, and Hoeth into the very bedrock alongside subtle nods to Ranald, and make allowances for large public shrines to the more acceptable Gods.
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Jreengus said:
Mathilde thought him important enough to embed into the bedrock of the library if we picked the holy option. She's the one who originally put him on the same platform as Verena.
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She also put Valaya in there despite her domain and focus being incredibly tangential to libraries and books. She wanted to represent each of the major races of Order, so she picked one of each.
 
[X] Plan Compromise
[X] Plan Stacking Advantages
[X] Plan Starting up debt free

Approval voting another plan just to keep Verenans out of the narrative for longer.
 
Going for Verena over Quinsberry seems OOC to me.

Consider: we probably know and like halflings, they live here, and our girlfriend works closely with them. One of the things we know is they are touchy about being treated like little humans instead of their own species, and this is how the Lodge recruits and what it defends against.

We know this, and the thread is choosing to treat the halflings as a minor afterthought.

Also, we DON'T know the venerians. Our book buying has been through dwarves, our library exposure through the colleges, and Mathilde had never had any onscreen contact with anyone identified as a Verenian.

So the thread "knowing" all this stuff about Verenians strikes me as OOC. And it is also OOC to me for Mathilde to reach out to complete strangers before pulling on the people she knows personally.

Our only 'in quest' experience has been Mathilde's resentment over the marianberg library being closed to her.

So. Quinsberry is a better choice to sign with Mathilde.
 
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Glau said:
Going for Verena over Quinsberry seems OOC to me.

Consider: we probably know and like halflings, they live here, and our girlfriend works closely with them. One of the things we know is they are touchy about being treated like little humans instead of their own species, and this is how the Lodge recruits and what it defends against.

We know this, and the thread is choosing to treat the halflings as a minor afterthought.

Also, we DON'T know the venerians. Our book buying has been through dwarves, our library exposure through the colleges, and Mathilde had never had any onscreen contact with anyone identified as a Verenian.

So the thread "knowing" all this stuff about Verenians strikes me as OOC. And it is also OOC to me for Mathilde to reach out to complete strangers before pulling on the people she knows personally.

So. Quinsberry is a better choice to sign with Mathilde.
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Given how long it took us to dedicate a social action to the halflings I think treating them as an afterthought is entirely in character. Now one can argue that it is wrong to do so, but we have not really shown much of an interest in halflings beyond 'those people who play with wolf and work with Panorania'.
 
Codex said:
She also put Valaya in there despite her domain and focus being incredibly tangential to libraries and books. She wanted to represent each of the major races of Order, so she picked one of each.
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🤷‍♀️ I'd also like to approach the Valayans at some point too. I trust that if Mathilde thought those four were that important they will all be worth including in the library. Hoeth I'll admit will be tricky but maybe if the waystone project goes well enough and shows it is worth working with the Eonir to the dwarves we could pull it off.
 
Glau said:
Going for Verena over Quinsberry seems OOC to me.

Consider: we probably know and like halflings, they live here, and our girlfriend works closely with them. One of the things we know is they are touchy about being treated like little humans instead of their own species, and this is how the Lodge recruits and what it defends against.

We know this, and the thread is choosing to treat the halflings as a minor afterthought.

Also, we DON'T know the venerians. Our book buying has been through dwarves, our library exposure through the colleges, and Mathilde had never had any onscreen contact with anyone identified as a Verenian.

So the thread "knowing" all this stuff about Verenians strikes me as OOC. And it is also OOC to me for Mathilde to reach out to complete strangers before pulling on the people she knows personally.

Our only 'in quest' experience has been Mathilde's resentment over the marianberg library being closed to her.

So. Quinsberry is a better choice to sign with Mathilde.
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Also we want to build the bestest library there ever was and with that goal in mind there is no way around the Verenans. If we don't talk with them we might at one point find a secret knight chapter hiding between the Halfling gods section and Theoretical botany.
 
DragonParadox said:
Given how long it took us to dedicate a social action to the halflings I think treating them as an afterthought is entirely in character. Now one can argue that it is wrong to do so, but we have not really shown much of an interest in halflings beyond 'those people who play with wolf and work with Panorania'.
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But we have even less connection with, awareness of, or reason to like the Verenians. And we've also learned that we should not take halflings for granted
 
Glau said:
Also, we DON'T know the venerians. Our book buying has been through dwarves, our library exposure through the colleges, and Mathilde had never had any onscreen contact with anyone identified as a Verenian.

So the thread "knowing" all this stuff about Verenians strikes me as OOC. And it is also OOC to me for Mathilde to reach out to complete strangers before pulling on the people she knows personally.
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I like the Halflings and want to include them, but I don't like the fact that you're framing our choice as treating them as an afterthought. Verena is dedicated to Libraries in a way that very few other factions can ever claim to be. The only reason Mathilde arranges books by subject instead of by author is because of all the work they put in:
Boney said:
In an age before search engines it takes a lot of effort and ingenuity to make information actually accessible, and if it weren't for many centuries of Verenans grinding the library science tech tree Mathilde would probably be sorting her books by author instead of subject.
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I do want to get Halflings involved. I see no reason why we have to do so before the faction who is entirely and completely dedicated to books, libraries and knowledge.
 
Glau said:
But we have even less connection with, awareness of, or reason to like the Verenians. And we've also learned that we should not take halflings for granted
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We do have a full piety trait for the Pantheon that includes Verena. That is more than you can say for any halfling god.

Old World Pantheon (Southern): Having grown up in Stirland and then Altdorf, you've known of the more civilized Gods of the Old World for most of your life: Morr, Verena, Myrmidia, Shallya, and Ranald. You also know of the minor Gods of the southern provinces.
 
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