Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Hekarti
-[X] Loec
[X] [PURCHASE] Minor Gods (The Empire) Extensive and Esoteric (250 Gold)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
 
And you get goat balls and goat dogs in the food section.
On my first read, I didn't make the connection to meat balls, and at it took me a second to get my mind out of the gutter. Though I supposed it would fit right in among 'local specialties', aka 'stuff no one else is dumb enough to actually eat'.
On my second read, I saw an extra n in goat dogs, and I realised I hadn't gotten my mind out of the gutter after all.
 
The thread explicitly voted against studying the concept enough to get hard answers out of it.
I meant the more informal way. Like when we recognized that we didn't recognize the divine presence at the Karak Dum desert. Or how we would be able to pretty much smell anything Ranald, Gazul or Mork flavored.
I.e. I am less asking about whether Mathilde would automatically apply the scrutiny of a researcher and more if our divine windsense would be strong enough for us to pull a lesser version of what Deathfang is speculated to have pulled on us.

Also, I thought the only thing we sacrificed is capturing divine essences and prodding them to gain experimental results. I thought a more personal and naturalistic way of paying attention to divine magic through windsight was still perfectly allowed. Did we sacrifice even more than I thought?
 
On my first read, I didn't make the connection to meat balls, and at it took me a second to get my mind out of the gutter. Though I supposed it would fit right in among 'local specialties', aka 'stuff no one else is dumb enough to actually eat'.
On my second read, I saw an extra n in goat dogs, and I realised I hadn't gotten my mind out of the gutter after all.
Have you ever heard of Rocky Mountain Oysters?

Fried bull testicles.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Engineering
-[X] Linguistics
 
The main reason I dislike backfill is that it feels like it should be covered largely by deals with cults/other libraries. I'd much rather focus on picking up stuff that is either rare or directly useful and fill out the more common stuff from the deals we make or patronage.
I don't know, we don't know when those deals will happen, and what topics they will cover. It just seems wasteful to me to keep picking the option that gets us the least amount of books.
Think of it this way - is spending 500gc for a >1500gc book gacha a good trade? Because that's what paying for the Eonir books and voting back-fill amounts for. That is a lot of books.
 
I have to ask who are we trying to send a message to with these purchases?

It is natural for players in quests to overestimate how much the world notices or cares about the actions of the main character, I know I've been guilty of it myself more times than I can count, but just think about this for a moment. Who at this moment even knows there is a library in the works outside of the hold that is at the very edge of the civilized lands:
  1. Dragonas
  2. Algard, maybe one or two more grey LMs if they kept their ear to the ground
  3. The book seller clan in Barak Var
Of these people who is going to follow out purchases and give some kind of symbolic meaning to them?

I'd guess that most people in Karak-Eight-Peaks would be aware of one of the Eight titular peaks is turned into a library. Unless I misread the scale of the project it will be one of the major efforts of the Karak and probably some source of pride for inhabitants. Plus, all the wizards of our branch have access to it.

Plus, we are building a Library in a pretty Radical Karak. I kind of want us to get all there is on "dwarven" subjects like engineering.

As for linguistics, taking the Eonir book might have pretty immediate effects by helping us understand our collaborators better and diplomance better. It's been impressed many times how much the Eonir love their word play so "All There Is" on the subject might be a lot.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Hekarti
-[X] Hoeth
[X] [PURCHASE] Minor Gods (The Empire): Extensive and Esoteric (250 Gold), Hekarti: Extensive and Esoteric Eonir (250 Gold), Atharti: Extensive and Esoteric Eonir (250 Gold)
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Hekarti
-[X] Loec
[X] [PURCHASE] Minor Gods (The Empire): Extensive and Esoteric (250 Gold), Hekarti: Extensive and Esoteric Eonir (250 Gold), Atharti: Extensive and Esoteric Eonir (250 Gold)
Both of you have Hekarti in your Library of Mournings vote and your Purchase vote. These make each other redundant.
 
I don't know, we don't know when those deals will happen, and what topics they will cover. It just seems wasteful to me to keep picking the option that gets us the least amount of books.
Think of it this way - is spending 500gc for a >1500gc book gacha a good trade? Because that's what paying for the Eonir books and voting back-fill amounts for. That is a lot of books.
I am not onboard with the thread just throwing away money so no. I know we have gotten lucky and gotten windfalls in the past but I would much rather not rely on that happening again in the future and save it for stuff we need. Part of the argument for the library was not having to spend our own money on books so it feels counterintuitive to then turn around and argue we need to spend our own money on books for the sake of the library.
 
I'd guess that most people in Karak-Eight-Peaks would be aware of one of the Eight titular peaks is turned into a library. Unless I misread the scale of the project it will be one of the major efforts of the Karak and probably some source of pride for inhabitants. Plus, all the wizards of our branch have access to it.

Plus, we are building a Library in a pretty Radical Karak. I kind of want us to get all there is on "dwarven" subjects like engineering.

As for linguistics, taking the Eonir book might have pretty immediate effects by helping us understand our collaborators better and diplomance better. It's been impressed many times how much the Eonir love their word play so "All There Is" on the subject might be a lot.

I mean yes most of them would know about it, most of them would not care about the list of titles though, scholarship is rare in this age. While I do not doubt dwarfs are more literate then humans most of them use the skill for practical purposes, maybe a bit of light entertainment. 'Are there romance books?' is likely be be asked a lot more by the local residents than 'why all the elf books?'

We already speak their language as well as we are going to speak it, they are not going to be terribly impressed if we flip out a book to try to gork an obscure pun in the middle of a conversation.
 
I am not onboard with the thread just throwing away money so no. I know we have gotten lucky and gotten windfalls in the past but I would much rather not rely on that happening again in the future and save it for stuff we need. Part of the argument for the library was not having to spend our own money on books so it feels counterintuitive to then turn around and argue we need to spend our own money on books for the sake of the library.
It's not just for the sake of the library, it's for the sake of having more books. Again, we don't always know in advance what books we will need. Everything in the library is something that one upon a time the thread thought was useful to have. Having more of that will likewise be useful.
 
That said since there doesn't seem to be any interest in picking up info on gryphons wood or on what a biological child of two gods would look like switching my vote over:
Approval votes are perfectly allowed. You are the second or third to switch instead of just adding a vote. And we are still relatively early in the voting cycle. You did happen to switch from a plan I like less to a plan I like more, but I still think that it's a shame if your preferred plan loses any chance of momentum just because another vote got ten more votes in half a day.
 
Approval votes are perfectly allowed. You are the second or third to switch instead of just adding a vote. And we are still relatively early in the voting cycle. You did happen to switch from a plan I like less to a plan I like more, but I still think that it's a shame if your preferred plan loses any chance of momentum just because another vote got ten more votes in half a day.
My original plan got one other vote and they switch their vote too, it honestly didn't feel worth the extra effort to approval vote it given no-one else had voted for it in 12 hours. 🤷‍♀️
 
I do think its silly to spend money on the minor gods, when A: we can do it next time for free, and B: The waystone project has been expensive.

[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Hekarti
-[X] Hoeth

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

I'm going to make an argument for Hekarti and Hoeth: this is both a good way to prepare to talk to the clans connected to their cults, and a good way to signal to the elves that we want to talk to them.

Elf's: did you hear, that human that's been around is getting a lot of books on Hekarti and Hoeth

Clans connected to those gods: very interesting (let's get the good dinner weare out.)

one of the things i noticed with the House Miriel(Vaul) bit was how not ready that elf girl was when mathy just turned up, and with the politics of where everyone was sitting when meeting the dwarfs.

Signalling seems to be an important part of the elf political culture.
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Hekarti
-[X] Loec
[X] [PURCHASE] Minor Gods (The Empire) Extensive and Esoteric (250 Gold)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
 
I meant the more informal way. Like when we recognized that we didn't recognize the divine presence at the Karak Dum desert. Or how we would be able to pretty much smell anything Ranald, Gazul or Mork flavored.
I.e. I am less asking about whether Mathilde would automatically apply the scrutiny of a researcher and more if our divine windsense would be strong enough for us to pull a lesser version of what Deathfang is speculated to have pulled on us.

Also, I thought the only thing we sacrificed is capturing divine essences and prodding them to gain experimental results. I thought a more personal and naturalistic way of paying attention to divine magic through windsight was still perfectly allowed. Did we sacrifice even more than I thought?

Does God X 'feel' similar to God Y because they're the same God? Because they're Gods of similar concepts? Because they're related in some way? Because they're next-door neighbours in the Warp? Because of some other, completely unknown factor? The way to know for sure is to get them under a microscope, and again, the thread voted not to.
 
I would prefer backfill, but I really don't want the library to start with elf gods of all things.
The library doesn't start with elf gods. It already started with Mathilde's significant collection. If one were to convert the +X book bonus into a measure for how many books we have on each topic then we are adding [10] books to our [171] in the public section alone. So they won't make up even
Does God X 'feel' similar to God Y because they're the same God? Because they're Gods of similar concepts? Because they're related in some way? Because they're next-door neighbours in the Warp? Because of some other, completely unknown factor? The way to know for sure is to get them under a microscope, and again, the thread voted not to.
Okay. That's fine then. I'm still curious if, once we encounter Loec or Loerk, he will feel just similar or make Mathilde have a double take and think her dear friend is present. After all she decided not to pursue it, but she still has all the experience of the experiments she already did. And during the Coin AV experiment she got the smell of a full load of Ranald essence. So she might never know if they are the same person or even species, but she should be able to notice if they use the same "Wind", so to speak.
 
Okay. That's fine then. I'm still curious if, once we encounter Loec or Loerk, he will feel just similar or make Mathilde have a double take and think her dear friend is present. After all she decided not to pursue it, but she still has all the experience of the experiments she already did. And during the Coin AV experiment she got the smell of a full load of Ranald essence. So she might never know if they are the same person or even species, but she should be able to notice if they use the same "Wind", so to speak.

Encounter Loec and find out.
 
I would prefer backfill, but I really don't want the library to start with elf gods of all things.
The library doesn't start with elf gods. It already started with Mathilde's significant collection. If one were to convert the +X book bonus into a measure for how many books we have on each topic then we are adding [10] books to our [171] in the public section alone. So they won't make up even 6% of the outside facing library.
 
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