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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
 
[X] Yes
[X] Magister Cyrston von Danling

[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.

[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.

[X] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.

[X] Kasmir, to see how partnership with Sylvania's native faith has been going.

[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
 
[X] Yes

[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld

[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Gretel, who's apparently getting involved in the Karaz Ankor's ambitions in the Border Princes.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
 
DragonParadox said:
Perpetuals are not locked to petty magic though, they stop at simple wind spells, either from lack of skills or lack of desire to go on.
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It doesn't matter. If you're Magic 1 you can only ever roll 1d10. It is literally impossible to miscast on 1d10 because you can never roll a double, triple or quadruple. However, every time you roll a 1 you have to make a willpower test or take an Insanity Point, so there's still a downside even if you never miscast.

No miscast, no Arcane Mark. It is theoretically possible for a Perpetual to have a Magic score higher than 1, as demonstrated with that one Nordlander Grey Perpetual who suffered an absurd series of miscasts because her power outstripped her control, but most perpetuals are perpetuals because they lack the power not because they have too much power. She's a special case because she advanced to Journeywoman and then went back to perpetual. Most perpetuals never make it out of Apprentice.
 
Codex said:
It doesn't matter. If you're Magic 1 you can only ever roll 1d10. It is literally impossible to miscast on 1d10 because you can never roll a double, triple or quadruple. However, every time you roll a 1 you have to make a willpower test or take an Insanity Point, so there's still a downside even if you never miscast.
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That seems like a simplified game mechanic that isn't necessarily supposed to encompass the full breadth of possibility in the fiction.

EDIT: At most, what you could say it indicates is that casters with minimum magic are less likely to have miscasts because they can't put much power into it in the first place, not that it's "literally impossible" for them to do so. Imagine, for instance, the danger of "chain casting" which in the fiction can cause miscasts but isn't particularly well represented in the mechanics.
 
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I'd imagine the average perpetual is about on par with Turn 1 Mathilde, in terms of magic power. Maybe a little weaker—Mathilde started knowing Shadowsteed, but I think that was a shiny the thread voted for?

Also, if I remember correctly, Johann was almost a perpetual, but his gilding promoted him straight to magister—he was never a journeyman (perhaps one of the reasons for his deception on the expedition?)

What I'm trying to say is, a person's value shouldn't come down to whether or not they are a powerful wizard. It should come down to what they can contribute to the project.

And yes, a dedicated Druid ritualist could be of much use for us—especially one who, in canon, becomes a future Magister Matriarch—but the secret history of the Druids and their Cult of the Mother is something that I feel we can not pass over. It could be perhaps the most important data point in winnowing out the truth from the superstition when we compare notes with other groups.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I'd imagine the average perpetual is about on par with Turn 1 Mathilde, in terms of magic power. Maybe a little weaker—Mathilde started knowing Shadowsteed, but I think that was a shiny the thread voted for?

Also, if I remember correctly, Johann was almost a perpetual, but his gilding promoted him straight to magister—he was never a journeyman (perhaps one of the reasons for his deception on the expedition?)

What I'm trying to say is, a person's value shouldn't come down to whether or not they are a powerful wizard. It should come down to what they can contribute to the project.

And yes, a dedicated Druid ritualist could be of much use for us—especially one who, in canon, becomes a future Magister Matriarch—but the secret history of the Druids and their Cult of the Mother is something that I feel we can not pass over. It could be perhaps the most important data point in winnowing out the truth from the superstition when we compare notes with other groups.
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Apprentice Wizards are Magic 1, Journeymen are Magic 2. Mathilde started as a Journeywoman, Perpetuals are Perpetual Apprentices. Mathilde at quest start has better magic than an Apprentice.

Since Mathilde had 2 Simple spells, this seems to indicate that Apprentices are restricted to Petty and Lesser magic.
 
I got thinking and are there any other dwarfs we might want to pull into this? Maybe a lore master who concerned himself with old elf stuff? Even if just out of petty vengeance? Also we probably should ask belegar if we can study the waystones in karak eight peak with the elves. He might not like if they come but asking does not cost anything. (I think this might be good because the karak eight peak waystones are the newest one to reawaken and we have an idea that it is linked to the crown. Also their probably closer to the Dwarven rune then the elven arts.)
 
Regardless of how useful the Jade wizard turns out to be, investigating the Gryphon Wood might be useful in the "this is a problem that needs to be dealt with" fashion. Anything that can get an army mobilizing is worth looking into.
 
[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Yes
 
Codex said:
It doesn't matter. If you're Magic 1 you can only ever roll 1d10. It is literally impossible to miscast on 1d10 because you can never roll a double, triple or quadruple. However, every time you roll a 1 you have to make a willpower test or take an Insanity Point, so there's still a downside even if you never miscast.

No miscast, no Arcane Mark. It is theoretically possible for a Perpetual to have a Magic score higher than 1, as demonstrated with that one Nordlander Grey Perpetual who suffered an absurd series of miscasts because her power outstripped her control, but most perpetuals are perpetuals because they lack the power not because they have too much power. She's a special case because she advanced to Journeywoman and then went back to perpetual. Most perpetuals never make it out of Apprentice.
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Er, I'm pretty sure there's no mention of the Nordlander making it to Journeywoman? I certainly got the impression she never made it past apprentice.
 
Mopman43 said:
Er, I'm pretty sure there's no mention of the Nordlander making it to Journeywoman? I certainly got the impression she never made it past apprentice.
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Huh, I was misremembering things, probably because of the impression I got from her:
Boney said:
According to the reports passed on by the Grey College, she accounted for at least three cultists with her trident and was holding off some sort of blue-skinned, many-handed demon when the militia arrived.
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She personally defeated three cultists and was holding off some sort of demon by herself before she fully manifested and trained her magic. She was pretty impressive, so I thought she was likely a Journeywoman. Turns out I was misremembering.
 
[X] Yes

[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld

[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
 
[X] Yes
[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
 
[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
 
On the subject of game abstractions its worth remembering that the entire Insanity subsystem, and therefore the "roll 1s test for Insanity gain, is an optional rule. (and in-quest evidence generally points to Boney not using it to model things in the quest)
 
Codex said:
It doesn't matter. If you're Magic 1 you can only ever roll 1d10. It is literally impossible to miscast on 1d10 because you can never roll a double, triple or quadruple. However, every time you roll a 1 you have to make a willpower test or take an Insanity Point, so there's still a downside even if you never miscast.

No miscast, no Arcane Mark. It is theoretically possible for a Perpetual to have a Magic score higher than 1, as demonstrated with that one Nordlander Grey Perpetual who suffered an absurd series of miscasts because her power outstripped her control, but most perpetuals are perpetuals because they lack the power not because they have too much power. She's a special case because she advanced to Journeywoman and then went back to perpetual. Most perpetuals never make it out of Apprentice.
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Not true. In places with lots of magical energy, your DM can force you to roll extra d10s, allowing even someone with a magic score of 1 to potentially miscast.
 
[X] No
[X] Perpetual Apprentice Culloch

Changed my mind, anything Tochter Grunfeld can do the elves can either do better or learn to do better. What we most need from human traditions is raw knowledge and for that a scholar is best, now that it has been confirmed that this is what he will be judged by.

[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Stirland, to see for yourself how the war against Sylvania is progressing.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] The Amber College, to check in on the salamanders.
[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
 
DragonParadox said:
X] No
[X] Perpetual Apprentice Culloch

Changed my mind, anything Tochter Grunfeld can do the elves can either do better or learn to do better. What we most need from human traditions is raw knowledge and for that a scholar is best, now that it has been confirmed that this is what he will be judged by
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You do realize that if we say no we don't get anyone right?
 
[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld

[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.

[X] Gretel, who's apparently getting involved in the Karaz Ankor's ambitions in the Border Princes.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
[X] Cython, to talk obliquely of what it means for a God to have offspring.

[X] Roswita, to get a sense for who will control Sylvania after you turned down the position.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Not true. In places with lots of magical energy, your DM can force you to roll extra d10s, allowing even someone with a magic score of 1 to potentially miscast.
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Sigh. I suppose I should never ever make a definitive statement, because there's always a "but" somewhere out there, no matter how low the chances are.

Perpetuals aren't likely to be casting spells in magic flooded areas, but sure, in this case it's possible for them to miscast. You can also say that theoretically a Perpetual could dabble in Dark Magic and therefore risk miscasts even at Magic 1. There are always exceptions.
 
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