Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
After a fair bit of genteel haggling you reach an agreement with Lady Magister Mira:
I was actually kind of looking forward to seeing this haggling live. But, the muse can't be forced. And three plus paragraphs of back and forth for something that is already long decided OOC is not everyone's idea of fun.
the Unfähigers, once the most powerful dynasty in the Empire but quite fallen from grace in modern times after the disastrous rule of Emperor Dieter IV Unfähiger.
I can't get over the fact that that's their actual dynasty name instead of just being the epithet of Dieter IV in particular. It literally means incapable.
You take careful notes and start to consider how best to start prodding at the mystery yourself.
If we were to steal Alric's glory after, thus doing Mira the favor we didn't promise her to do, would we gain anything from it beyond her gratitude and once again leaving an impression that we are a massive overachiever?
volume of messages concerning some sort of trouble brewing in Ostermark while still maintaining the complete dearth of useful information.
What would that look like? Disappearances of prominent people? Of minor villages? Of trade goods? Random travelers griping about problems they are nonetheless super tight lipped about? Unusual volumes of sealed correspondence changing hand? Nobles from neighboring provinces visiting Ostermark more and more frequently?

Regarding the other EIC news, I am going to assume that no canal news is good canal news. Though I am curious if the mystery epidemics among the workers ended up fading on their own or not.
And rumours of unrest between Marienburg and Couronne, possible a reignition of the eternal question of where, exactly, the border between Couronne and the Wasteland can be found.
What does Marienburg even do with the Wasteland? Tax it? That said, I get how they wouldn't want Couronne to build any castles or road infrastructure anywhere near them.
No, you haven't reached a formal agreement with a nearby population centre
Haven't we, technically speaking? We have Belegar's formal promise of protection and the majority of Dwarves are technically militia, willing and able to take up arms at the drip of a hat if necessary but not being professional warriors exclusively.
One particular sticking point is that of religious dedication, and eventually you settle for Valaya, which the mountain itself is named for and was once dedicated to. It's as correct as if you had put 'none',
Would the Dwarves agree with this claim?

Also, I assume that we either missed our chance of a more proper religious dedication along the way or that you decided based on your reading of the hive mind that we'd have gone/would go with some subtle Ranaldian dedication if given the chance and that neither being honest about that nor acting coy about which god we are choosing would be an acceptable option here.
When you finally finish and submit the application, you expect to wait months as a proper assessment is made, possibly involving hosting an inspection committee to study the grounds themselves. You're a little outraged when within the hour one of Altdorf's pigeons, grown large and confident from a city steeped in Ghur, drops in your lap the official recognition of KAU's new status.
Silly Mathilde. Not only could you have added all that in a freeform addendum, but of course everyone who is someone in the Colleges knows about K8P. And you're a trusted LM. And, as you yourself emphasize, it's Dwarves.
The Fimir, perhaps? The Shartak? Or had it once been ocean, and some ancient turmoil beached a temple built by the Prometheans?
Are we mentioning these theories in the paper?
[Observations on the Borderlands of Chaos, 2487. Subject: Rare, +1. Insight: Confirming, +1. Delivery: Thrilling +2. Exotic, +1. Varied, +1. Shared Credit, -1. Total: +5.]
I do like the paper mechanic. Beyond the steady and codified income of CF it also provides satisfying recaps and revisitations of past events, once removed allusions to headpats for our achievements and interesting insights into Mathilde's inner thoughts.
"Not widely, I'm afraid. I've been relying on the density of skilled farmers here. Even if I can refine the techniques, it would still be far more labour-intensive than assarting the equivalent acreage out of the forests."
Oh cool. I learned a new word.

The interplay between Panoramia and her Patriarch is enjoyable to read as well.
But Paranoth isn't done. "The first time I visited Araby, I wanted to see an oasis, but instead I got caught up in a fight between Malaluk and Ghutani nomads over a treasure they had found in the ruins of Bel-Aliad. I could have ignored them all and pushed on, but instead I stayed and tried to find peace between them, being young and naïve. When they proved unwilling to listen to the ignorant prattling of a foreign Wizard, I instead sold my services to the side that was willing to pay more, and came home richer and wiser for it. And a few years later I used a small part of that money to buy passage on a ship to Al-Haikk and joined a caravan that was travelling to the oasis I had originally intended to visit." He smiles. "I've sidetracked myself, but with a story about the value of sidetracks. That is why they call me the Wanderer, you know. Not because I travel without purpose, but because I welcome new purpose where and when I find it. Where was I actually going, though?" He muses. "Oh, yes. Take in the unexpected harvest. It will cost you time, but gain you resources and respect and interest in your original goal."
Wow, Paranoth is a joy to behold.
Their belief might add the appearance of truth to your bluff. But I would be empowering a faction that anchors the Order in our past ignorance."
Woah. For some reason I didn't expect him to be this involved in the dispute, let alone on that side of it. Though it makes sense for someone who has traveled far and wide to be a progressive sceptic back on the home front.
There's trouble brewing there, but whatever it is keeps hopping across the Upper Talabec into Kislev. And the Jades don't have much reach in Ostermark, never have, even before Teclis. But you of the Grey might be able to find friends there. Plus you got along with the Ice Witches. Uncover what's to blame for the goings-on there, and I'll send one of ours to the table."
What is it with everyone just calling it "trouble"? Is Paranoth's problem that the local Gryphons are failing their math exams? Why not just say what gave him the impression that there's trouble in the first place?

Anyway... Is that the same Shadow Woods that the Halethans interact with? If yes then that might actually be quite interesting to get involved in.
If you do agree to investigate the trouble in Gryphon's Wood, which representative from the Jade Order will join the Project in exchange?
Are we essentially deciding this on the spot or are we doing it by mail after agreeing to look into Gryphon Woods? Given that we are presented with quite a bit of information about the options that we didn't have before, I assume the latter. If my assumption is true, might we ask Panoramia regarding the personalities of these people?


Now... On to looking at the new social options.
 
Thank you very much. I'm guessing the waystones were erected quite a bit earlier? Probably it's roughly the same time span for Kislev and the widow? So none of those would have firsthand knowledge mmmhh, but humans also erected waystones so they actually might... Hmmm.

I'm guessing Kislev and Bretonnia would only have older historical texts and what their magic tells them directly. Also ice witches are closely tied to the land so they might know stuff from there and the lady is one of the more... Interference happy deities so the damsels might got some dreams or holy guidance for direct knowledge. Hmmm
The Old Ones arrived -15,000 IC and started erecting the Geomantic Web and realigning the planet. The Web lasted 10,000 years before large parts of it were destroyed and coopted during the Great Incursion around -5500 IC. The Vortex was made around -4420 IC by Caledor Dragontamer, and the initial Elven Waystones at some point afterwards to stabilise the Vortex.

The Elves then had their Golden Age of cooperation for thousands of years, lasting up until 1900 IC when the War of Vengeance started (technically the Great Betrayal happened like a hundred years before so it took a while for the tensions to escalate). Although, it should be noted that Malekith betrayed Bel Shanaar and the High Elves 2750 IC, and from then on Ulthuan was embroiled in civil war for almost 30 years ending with the Sundering, and then a number of skirmishes extending for about 600 years before Caledor the Conqueror (the First not the nitwit Second) jumped off a ship. I don't think the High Elves were making any Waystones during that period, but maybe the humans were.
 
Thank you very much. I'm guessing the waystones were erected quite a bit earlier? Probably it's roughly the same time span for Kislev and the widow? So none of those would have firsthand knowledge mmmhh, but humans also erected waystones so they actually might... Hmmm.

I'm guessing Kislev and Bretonnia would only have older historical texts and what their magic tells them directly. Also ice witches are closely tied to the land so they might know stuff from there and the lady is one of the more... Interference happy deities so the damsels might got some dreams or holy guidance for direct knowledge. Hmmm
The Ice Witches came to modern Kislev with the Gospodar migration/invasion about 1,000 years ago.

Though, the Hag Witches have much older roots in the region.
 
The Ice Witches came to modern Kislev with the Gospodar migration/invasion about 1,000 years ago.

Though, the Hag Witches have much older roots in the region.
The Hag Witches should be as old as the Ungol, and the Ungol are lumped in with the other Pre-Imperial Tribes so the assumption is that they got in around the same time, somewhere around -1000 IC. The Ungol calendar starts at 500 IC, but that's because that's the year that the Ungol believe that Ursun woke from his sleep. Don't ask me why the Ungol Calendar is based on Ursun when he was a Gospodar god that they only worshipped after the Gospodar invasion. I guess they really liked him.
 
Grandfathered in lore from before ursun being codified as a gospodar god would be my guess.
I wouldn't think so. Far as I'm aware, Ursun being a Gospodar god and the Ungols basing their calendar on him both would come from Kislev's 6th edition supplement or Realm of the Ice Queen, I don't think there's anything like that in Something Rotten in Kislev.
 
[x] Perpetual Apprentice Culloch
One of the most respected Perpetuals of the Jade Order, only partly due to his rather intimidating Lady Magister wife. He is the secular expert on the history of the Cult of the Mother.

This one makes me laugh.
He's also probably Panoramia's dad.
Panoramia doesn't really talk about her parents much, and when she does it's as Ma and Da. But there's only so many Lady Magisters in the Jade Order, and it seems very unlikely there'd be another Perpetual who's married to one.
I thought Panoramia's mom was a Magister, not a Lady Magister. That's news to me.
She was a regular Magister nine years ago.
 
The Hag Witches should be as old as the Ungol, and the Ungol are lumped in with the other Pre-Imperial Tribes so the assumption is that they got in around the same time, somewhere around -1000 IC. The Ungol calendar starts at 500 IC, but that's because that's the year that the Ungol believe that Ursun woke from his sleep. Don't ask me why the Ungol Calendar is based on Ursun when he was a Gospodar god that they only worshipped after the Gospodar invasion. I guess they really liked him.
To further add to this confusion, Tome of Salvation says the Ungol Calendar starts Circa 500 IC. The White Dwarf Army List for Kislev for 6th Edition says the calendar starts 500 years "before Sigmar's time". Both 2nd Edition RPG and 6th Edition were released around the same time period.

Delightful. Choose your poison.
 
I'm surprised at- Well no, I guess I'm not rally surprised at all the "Yes" votes.

Still, it seems to me to be grasping at straws. Bringing in new information about the Waystones is good. Bringing in active misinformation, things that aren't true and facts that are incorrect, would be really bad! The myths and old rituals of the Jade Order are false, at least according to their patriarch.
 
I wouldn't think so. Far as I'm aware, Ursun being a Gospodar god and the Ungols basing their calendar on him both would come from Kislev's 6th edition supplement or Realm of the Ice Queen, I don't think there's anything like that in Something Rotten in Kislev.
Editing error that has been enshrined in law then that's a shame. That's that kind of thing that happens with big multi author projects like Warhammer sometimes though.
 
The myths and old rituals of the Jade Order are false, at least according to their patriarch.

A patriarch that has a vested interest in delegitimising the religious elements within his order. He doesn't share in the cult beliefs of his order—that doesn't make him correct and them wrong. He straight up told us that if he endorses one of them for us, he'll have to spend his personal time stomping on the others to keep them down.
 
Man, Culloch is way behind. I honestly don't mind all that much, Tochter Grunfeld is a decent choice as far as I'm concerned, but I would have thought it would be a little tighter. Maybe it's just that the thread has been talking about getting an expert on rituals for a while, and this is an opportunity to do it, or maybe it's because of his low rank.

Well, I'll try making the case for him even though I would terribly mind Grunfeld winning: we're not looking for powerful spellcaster, not necessarily. We want knowledge, and some one who can boast the title of expert on the history of the Cult of the Mother is a good source for that knowledge. He's also noted to be one of the most respected perpetuals in the order: since he's not respected for his nonexistant casting ability, this indicates he really knows his stuff.

Still, it seems to me to be grasping at straws. Bringing in new information about the Waystones is good. Bringing in active misinformation, things that aren't true and facts that are incorrect, would be really bad! The myths and old rituals of the Jade Order are false, at least according to their patriarch.
According to their Patriarch is the key phrase here. We know that some in the order disagree, and that there is political and religious strife over this issue in the order. That their Patriarch believes this doesn't mean that it's true, it means that the group that believes it to be true is the dominant force in the order, so any one who gets to a position of leadership is likely to have those opinions. This shouldn't be surprising, as when Teclis recruited the Druids most of those who held to the old faith probably left. Again, it's not likely that the older rituals the Druids used were useless. It's not as if the Waystones in the Reik basin were in complete disrepair until Teclis showed up.

Also, the 'price' just sounds fun. I think some of the 'Yes' votes are just from people who want Mathilde to go on an adventure like in the good old days.
 
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I think focussing on the veracity of the Jade Druid rituals is missing the point - they could literally all be nothing but bullshit, and they'd still be useful just to sell the lie.
Exactly, maybe they don't know as much as we hoped. Buuuut their our best bet to seem like we got more info. Because right now we have matilda, whatever our gold dudes have access too (not much) and the lights... Which is not a whole lot.
 
If we were to steal Alric's glory after, thus doing Mira the favor we didn't promise her to do, would we gain anything from it beyond her gratitude and once again leaving an impression that we are a massive overachiever?

Depends too much on what's actually going on to say for sure.

What would that look like? Disappearances of prominent people? Of minor villages? Of trade goods? Random travelers griping about problems they are nonetheless super tight lipped about? Unusual volumes of sealed correspondence changing hand? Nobles from neighboring provinces visiting Ostermark more and more frequently?

All of that would qualify as useful information, and as noted, you lack it. All that's known for sure is that Ostermark's military is mobilizing, the rest is a huge amount of wild and often contradictory rumours.

Haven't we, technically speaking? We have Belegar's formal promise of protection and the majority of Dwarves are technically militia, willing and able to take up arms at the drip of a hat if necessary but not being professional warriors exclusively.

An enemy warband can only directly threaten the KAU by having already killed their way through all of those potential defenders, so no formal agreement exists that would promise defence in that scenario.

Would the Dwarves agree with this claim?

Any mountain that Dwarves have lived in is considered sacred to the Cult of Valaya.

Also, I assume that we either missed our chance of a more proper religious dedication along the way or that you decided based on your reading of the hive mind that we'd have gone/would go with some subtle Ranaldian dedication if given the chance and that neither being honest about that nor acting coy about which god we are choosing would be an acceptable option here.

It would be profoundly stupid to put 'Ranald' on the form.

Are we mentioning these theories in the paper?

No.

Anyway... Is that the same Shadow Woods that the Halethans interact with? If yes then that might actually be quite interesting to get involved in.

Yes.

Are we essentially deciding this on the spot or are we doing it by mail after agreeing to look into Gryphon Woods? Given that we are presented with quite a bit of information about the options that we didn't have before, I assume the latter. If my assumption is true, might we ask Panoramia regarding the personalities of these people?

On the spot, because he's not called Paranoth the Stayer In One Place. Paranoth explained to Mathilde why they would be appropriate for the Project.

The Hag Witches should be as old as the Ungol, and the Ungol are lumped in with the other Pre-Imperial Tribes so the assumption is that they got in around the same time, somewhere around -1000 IC. The Ungol calendar starts at 500 IC, but that's because that's the year that the Ungol believe that Ursun woke from his sleep. Don't ask me why the Ungol Calendar is based on Ursun when he was a Gospodar god that they only worshipped after the Gospodar invasion. I guess they really liked him.

The compromise I've arrived at is that Ursun was worshipped fairly widely by the Ungols, Gospodars, and any other related peoples who encountered bears on a regular basis, but became particularly significant to the Ungols because He's the most prominent God they were allowed to 'keep' after the Gospodars took over and stamped out the worship of the Chaos Gods and the use of Wind magic. It's similar with Tor for the Roppsmenn and Dazh for the Gospodar - very old Gods that were once relatively minor, but rose to prominence after the Khan-Queen united all three peoples under the Widow and the other Gods were discarded.
 
[X] Egrimm, to celebrate his imminent promotion and gauge his reaction to it.
[X] Elrisse, to get to know the most recent contributor to the Project.
[X] Panoramia, to talk about how well her project in the Eastern Valley seems to be going.
 
I'm surprised at- Well no, I guess I'm not rally surprised at all the "Yes" votes.

Still, it seems to me to be grasping at straws. Bringing in new information about the Waystones is good. Bringing in active misinformation, things that aren't true and facts that are incorrect, would be really bad! The myths and old rituals of the Jade Order are false, at least according to their patriarch.
But they are convincing and therefore useful for bluffing.

Also, canonically, Tochter Grunfield and Argburg both become Paranoth's successors.
I wouldn't dismiss their paradigm as "wrong".

Volans was notoriously irreligious, and Paranoth seems to take after him.

But we know very well that what Teclis taught the colleges is not the be all and end all of magic, especially when it comes to divinely powered Arcane magic.

Consider the kurgan "shaman of the untamed"/"shaman of the shadowed one"... The druids might very well have been "shamans of the verdant one"

This is... Religious archeology.

The perpetual gives us a link to the past, while tochter grunfeld gives a possibility of replicating/reinventing old rites with modern knowledge.
 
The idea that we might manage to double (Or triple) dip on faction recruitment with this does go a ways to making up for a not so promising look thus far... It also might be fun.

@Boney, Can Mathilde do any personal spying using the EIC action these days, or is it limited to more indirect uses?
 
Well, I'll try making the case for him even though I would terribly mind Grunfeld winning: we're not looking for powerful spellcaster, not necessarily. We want knowledge, and some one who can boast the title of expert on the history of the Cult of the Mother is a good source for that knowledge. He's also noted to be one of the most respected perpetuals in the order: since he's not respected for his nonexistant casting ability, this indicates he really knows his stuff.
The problem is that if he can't cast the spells required, he is less useful.
 
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