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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
Somehow, that makes the Higher Demon we fought at Karak Vlag scarier to me. It was holding off a legendary Elf Dragon Prince with a super powerful artifact, one of the most powerful Star Dragons of Caledor, the greatsword of Kragg the Grim wielded by a Master Ulgu Swordswoman, and being assaulted and counter spelled by half a dozen Wizards, including a Choir of Hysh casters.

That's insane.
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Demon Princes and Greater Demons be scary business. They're the most powerful force Chaos can directly deploy on the mortal plane, and there's very little that can stand up to them without getting mulched. Star Dragons, Slaan, the original vampires, absolute top-tier magic users... unless you have something like that on your side, you're pretty much limited to hurling bodies at it while shooting the everliving crap out of it, and praying desperately that something sticks.
 
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NSMS said:
Demon Princes and Greater Demons be scary business. They're the most powerful force Chaos can directly deploy on the mortal plane, and there's very little that can stand up to them without getting mulched. Star Dragons, Slaan, the original vampires, absolute top-tier magic users... unless you have something like that on your side, you're pretty much limited to hurling bodies at it while shooting the everliving crap out of it, and praying desperately that something sticks.
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Or you know, get a Sigmar-alike, or Anerion, or Grimmnir-figure to come out of the woodwork and just defeat them(Or multiple in the Elf's case). Yeee, over the top Warrior-Going-to-be-slash-already-are-maybe guys will do it
 
Shane_357 said:
Honestly I don't get why the Elves even have a Phoenix King - the War against Chaos was won, they could have just gone back to having the Everqueen. As far as I can tell, it's just been an utter cavalcade of fuckups.
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I mean, it really hasn't been?

For bad Phoenix Kings, you've got Caledor II and (arguably) Aethis, but the rest of them were competent to great. If banishing Asarnil for insubordination is the worst thing Finubar ever did, that's still not "an utter cavalcade of fuckups".

If they were an utter cavalcade of fuck-ups, Malekith wouldn't be 0/4 on invasions of Ulthuan.

Codex said:
I think I'm looking at the incorrect stat block then, because nothing I'm looking at shows that WS1 thing.
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The original 5th edition book has the 1 WS thing, the 6th edition WD rules update changed it to a -1 to all missile attacks against him.
 
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Weighing in on the vote, I think it's crucial to set a good impression with the Eonir by at least being versed in Waystone basics. Mathilde is getting an opportunity to work with ancient the Grey Lords and other esoteric beings.
 
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Mopman43 said:
For bad Phoenix Kings, you've got Caledor II and (arguably) Aethis, but the rest of them were competent to great. If banishing Asarnil for insubordination is the worst thing Finubar ever did, that's still not "an utter cavalcade of fuckups".
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A big thing about Finubar is how a lot of elves just really don't like him or care for him. Banishing Arsanil was a big hit to his image amongst elves, and in this quest was even stated hes failed at hunting down Morghur... Let me see if I cant... Aha!
BoneyM said:
"I wasn't a part of that jaunt, but three of my cousins were," Asarnil says. "Finubar's attempt at building bridges. The Forest of Arden had been corrupted by Morghur and Beastmen flocked to it from across the Old World. L'Anguille called for aid against a foe they could not understand, the Everqueen pushed for its restoration, and the so-called 'Glade Lord' Araloth that was preparing a great hunt for the beast had a lineage greater than that of some Princes. Finubar the Haggler saw a chance to earn credit with three polities at once, and was all too eager to spill Elven blood for it, so Prince Eldyr of Taranoc and Handmaiden Ystranna raised a mighty host. Many of them never returned." Asarnil chuckles darkly. "Bitterness over that poisoned any hope of improved relations between Ulthuan and its abandoned colony, the Bretonnians gave all credit to their Lady, and as for the Everqueen, it wasn't long after that she found she much preferred the brother of your Teclis than the company of the Phoenix King. Finubar has a gift for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."
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Full thing
 
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Speaking of Phoenix Kings, one in particular caught my attention. I'm sure GW didn't intend it to be read this way, but I do take a strange level of comfort from the story of Phoenix King Morvael, despite it's dark and depressing ending. Mostly because I headcannon the relationship he had with Mentheus of Caledor to have been romantic. I've only read the wiki since I don't have the book yet, but I'm a sucker for angsty romance stories, and the thought of Morvael being a soft hearted but determined man who put his trust and faith in a general who became one of his closest "friends" got me. He cared for him enough that he would keep getting restless dreams when Mentheus was on campaign and he was utterly shattered and stepped into the flames of Asuryan to abdicate. Did the GW writers intend to make their relationship looks romantic? Probably not, and certainly I've got tinted glasses because of my self projection. But despite that it's actually one of the pieces of GW writing that I've resonated with the most. Yes it's depressing, but it also feels like one of the few instances where I feel seen.

Sorry for the sorta off-topic thing, but talking about the Phoenix Kings got this out of me.
 
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ThatGuyMike said:
A big thing about Finubar is how a lot of elves just really don't like him or care for him. Banishing Arsanil was a big hit to his image amongst elves, and in this quest was even stated hes failed at hunting down Morghur... Let me see if I cant... Aha!
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A full 1/4 of all elves we've met have expressed a dislike of Finubar. A 25% disapproval rating isn't that bad, and failing to kill Morghur isn't exactly a high bar either—we failed it too.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
A full 1/4 of all elves we've met have expressed a dislike of Finubar. A 25% disapproval rating isn't that bad, and failing to kill Morghur isn't exactly a high bar either—we failed it too.
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I mean, it doesn't actually say he failed to kill Morghur. It's just that with him, death is more a temporary inconvenience than anything else.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
A full 1/4 of all elves we've met have expressed a dislike of Finubar. A 25% disapproval rating isn't that bad, and failing to kill Morghur isn't exactly a high bar either—we failed it too.
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...Have we met 4 elves? We've met Arsanil, That Eonir representative, and that Nagarythe ambassador who was there because their kingdom needed to be soothed iirc... I suppose also that Dark Elf prisoner we gave to that ambassador, but thats like 2 high elves, 1 wood elf, and 1 dark elf so idk if we got the correct represenative pool here... Though yeah, I suppose what you've said is correct... We don't know how the Dark Elf felt about FInubar though, could be 50%
 
It should also be noted that Finubar is (at least canonically) often seen as something of an upstart, because he's from Eataine which is the "new money" kingdom. Also, Asarnil just might be a tiny bit biased, so taking him as representative of Ulthuan is not necessarily a good idea.

ThatGuyMike said:
We don't know how the Dark Elf felt about FInubar though, could be 50%
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Dark Elves hate the Phoenix Kings on principle though, because they believe that Malekith is the rightful heir to Aenarion's throne. They've built their entire society around the idea.
 
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ThatGuyMike said:
...So you agree Finubar has a minimum 50% disapproval rating out of all the elves we've met?
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Unfortunately, the dark elf didn't declare an answer when surveyed, and so he was put down as "uncertain".

The total findings of the survey was 25% disapproval, 75% uncertain, 0% approval.

With a 25% disapproval rating, he's doing very well as a king.

With a 0% approval rating, he's doing very poorly as a king.

This has been your regularly scheduled PSA on how statistics are damned lies.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Yes, but I think you should discount the Druchii and whatever the hell Cadaeth is.
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You said all elves, also we've only met those 4 elves... also Cadaeth is just an Eonir iirc.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Unfortunately, the dark elf didn't declare an answer when surveyed, and so he was put down as "uncertain".

The total findings of the survey was 25% disapproval, 75% uncertain, 0% approval.

With a 25% disapproval rating, he's doing very well as a king.

With a 0% approval rating, he's doing very poorly as a king.

This has been your regularly scheduled PSA on how statistics are damned lies.
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When has Mathilde cared? I bet we can break into wherever they're holding that dark elf and get answers out of him.

We also need to use our special service to go to Nagarythe and get that Ambassador's answer, and we can get Cadaeth's when we work on the Waystone!

Fullproof!
 
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