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We have no idea who Asarnil descends from, the only relative we know of is his dad who is said to have been a hero, but no other info on him.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Maybe they're dunking on Asarnil getting disinherited?
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Considering he has one of the most powerful artifacts in the Warhammer world crafted by Caledor Dragontamer, I would be surprised if he wasn't descended from Caledor.
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mmm...
That said I'm pretty sure "leading" mostly in the sense of coming up with the idea and wrangling, we were quite out of our depths knowledge wise at the time.
However, I do think that enchantment, combined with our understanding of Dhar/Wind Herder could let us do some mighty fine enchanting work.
I admit I am also interested in seeing if we can prod info on wind transformation out of people who might know (like Cython.)
I'm also very interested in seeing what we can dig out of the big library.
Also interested in seeing if we can get access to some interesting books for the big library we are making.
And I would not be. Caledor was a prolific craftsman, that a family of seemingly very prominent dragon riders from Caledor would have something from him is not surprising. Maybe they earned it later, maybe it was given to them by the man himself.
Whatever the case is, he might be he might not be, but its not necessary.
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Less bonkers than you think. A straight -1 to hitting him would actually be a better artefact on the tabletop.
She does also carry some form of weapon because, like every other model, she carries a hand weapon.
Whether there even is a single more-important-than-other-Princes Prince of Caledor is an open question.
In 5th edition different coloured dragons used different breath weapons, so it did matter.
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So, am I just operating on a false basis? I was under the impression that to be a Prince from the Kingdom of Caledor, you needed to be descended from...........Caledor. Apparently you can be a Dragon PRINCE, without being considered the royalty of Caledor? like you're just a noble, but you have the title of Prince? And you can be Prince of Caledor without being descended from the guy the Kingdom is named after? How does Elf nobility work?
I'm assuming "prince" is being used like a landed title, such as "duke" or "baron", rather than a royal title.
Edit: found a wiki article on the IRL use of "prince" as a generic title rather than a royal: Prince - Wikipedia
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The ruler of my nation is an "Emir", which is arabic for Prince. I was taught as a kid that Emir=Prince. You have no idea how confusing it is to me to see Prince being used for non-royalty.
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Stat-wise Great=Star on tabletop, while Emperor is one tier higher and only available for epic Storm of Magic battles.
Dragon Princes of Caledor are numerous enough to serve as an elite cavalry unit (presumably while their dragons are sleeping).
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Its a noble title, seemingly the highest before PK or EQ, but none of the elven kingdoms have a sole ruler, each have several princes and princesses.
In fact this is true IRL as well. Prince doesn't have to have anything to do with hereditary inheritance.
Meanwhile Dragon Prince is a term seemingly for the Knights of Caledor, since there's a lot of them I do not think that each has the same noble status as a prince, but in modernity maybe if you have a dragon you are treated like one there.
As for elven nobility, its complicated and varies at least a bit from kingdom to kingdom.
I doubt he has much to say about it to be honest, at least not anything new. Where would he have met a Loec worshiper? Nagoroth?
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I'm not sure if in Boney canon thats been supplanted by Wind alignment, where Wind kinda forces the colour. In that case non wind alligned High elf dragons wouldn't matter for the colour.
I also think Sun-Moon-Star dragons all share a colour scheme but I can't find the source for that.
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Umm, no. WS 1 hits anything above WS2 on 5+, and it's hit by everything on 3+.
asarnil has ws 7,which means ws 3 his him on 5+,and he hits ws 6 or lower on a 3+.
If you're having asarnil fight ws3 chaff, you'd be correct. But also wasting asarnil's power as a duelist.
Against ws 4 it functions as a - 1 to hit item.
Against Ws 7 (most combat Lords) it makes them hit you on 5+ and makes you hit on 3+, serving as a +1 to hit for you, -1 for them.
Against the rare ws 8+, it becomes even better, because it makes them hit on 5,instead of 3. I.e -2 to hit.
It's not great, but the only situation where a -1 to hit item is better is when fighting chaff, because it makes them hit on a 6+.
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I'll note the dragon princes are likely mostly nobles, but are probably not princes. See the silver helms, who are also all nobles (usually), but are not princes.
5th edition was before a lot of the metaphysics were nailed down. Back then, there was just one kind of dragon and they were just big flying lizards with breath weapons. Later canon introduced multiple different species of Dragons, some of them aligned with various Winds and able to cast spells, and made Caledorian Dragons much more distinct. The Wiki ignores things like 'logic' and 'context' and tries to mush everything together from 5th Edition in the early nineties to 4e this year, and it is very easy to be led astray by it.
Deathfang is described in the fluff as being one of the oldest of the Caledorian dragons and his stats are superior to that of the generic Star Dragon. Therefore logic would dictate he is a Star Dragon.
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@Codex as an example, Tyrion is a prince but that's cause of his deeds and relationship with the everqueen, as opposed to the bloodline of Anaereon (which usually would be a big black mark against him being a prince since it means there's a chance he could become Phoenix King) further exemplified by the fact his brother is not a prince.
Er so all the dragon talk is fun and all but does anyone have thoughts on the library vote? It is surprisingly close with only one vote between the two options. Are those books worth the 4CF? I think that bringing the Imperial lore on Henges to the table is worth it as a show of competence, small though it may yet be.
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Somehow, that makes the Higher Demon we fought at Karak Vlag scarier to me. It was holding off a legendary Elf Dragon Prince with a super powerful artifact, one of the most powerful Star Dragons of Caledor, the greatsword of Kragg the Grim wielded by a Master Ulgu Swordswoman, and being assaulted and counter spelled by half a dozen Wizards, including a Choir of Hysh casters.
That's insane.
That's insane.
deathofrats0808
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Double checks own assumption
Ah. I know where I got confused. I associated the -1 with a particular magic item combination (Fencer's Blades + Glittering Scales). Still, the point that WS1 isn't all that bad on the tabletop stands.
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Chaos, they cheat like nobodies business, what's new there?
Eh, favour is for spendin
[X] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven (300 gc), Waystones and Henges: Esoteric Imperial (150 gc and 4 CF)
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It's not so much cheating as "narratively, Greater Daemons really are just that scary".
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Changing my vote. Can't think of anything worth CF more than Waystones, don't know if we can convince someone else to discount/remove the cost either.
[X] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven (300 gc), Waystones and Henges: Esoteric Imperial (150 gc and 4 CF)
[X] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven (300 gc), Waystones and Henges: Esoteric Imperial (150 gc and 4 CF)
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Logic? In my fantasy war game? What nonsense is this?
I'm British, so I fully understand that. Took a while for me to wrap my head around how princes are sometimes used in continental Europe. For example, the President of France is also the Co-Prince of Andorra, the two titles are always held side by side. The other Prince is the Bishop of Urgell. Neither title is inherited.
In the Holy Roman Empire, they had Elector Princes who elected an Emperor, but no kings (well, except for that one guy in Prussia). Thinking on it, I'm kinda surprised Wahammer never did a "King in Hochland" sort of thing. Or if they did, I never heard of it.
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