Better than Azul in terms of not being isolated, better than Vlag in terms of not having spent almost two centuries in literal hell, and better than the Young Holds in terms of wealth and respect and knowledge.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Better than Azul in terms of not being isolated, better than Vlag in terms of not having spent almost two centuries in literal hell, and better than the Young Holds in terms of wealth and respect and knowledge.
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We currently have ~40 voters, and you were at 10 votes out of the mid-thirties, over halfway to forming a one man majority.
...I was this close to throwing another Palpatine meme at you
So, since the vote is so close I took a second look at what 4 CF really is and came to the conclusion that it is not that much. I mean one paper almost always makes us hat much so by the next purchase round we will be back at where we are or higher. The question then becomes would we for some reason need to spent 15 odd CF as a lump sum next turn? I think the answer to that is no so we might as well spend that favor and get the use out of it.
[X] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven (300 gc), Waystones and Henges: Esoteric Imperial (150 gc and 4 CF)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven (300 gc), Waystones and Henges: Esoteric Imperial (150 gc and 4 CF)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
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The sun hat idea is cute but I don't know that she'd actually like it.
Seems like Jades would be big fans of direct sunlight in general. They're basically solar powered, right?
(This is one of those situations where there's a pretty big gulf between Mathilde's knowledge and the thread's knowledge- she'd know way more about what Pan would like as a gift, I think.)
Seems like Jades would be big fans of direct sunlight in general. They're basically solar powered, right?
(This is one of those situations where there's a pretty big gulf between Mathilde's knowledge and the thread's knowledge- she'd know way more about what Pan would like as a gift, I think.)
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I think she does wear a sun hat sometimes, or she might, but only in Winter:The sun hat idea is cute but I don't know that she'd actually like it.
Seems like Jades would be big fans of direct sunlight in general. They're basically solar powered, right?
(This is one of those situations where there's a pretty big gulf between Mathilde's knowledge and the thread's knowledge- she'd know way more about what Pan would like as a gift, I think.)
That is assuming she wants to spend some time out in the sun in Winter, but hey, hats are nice.
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Honestly, if we are going to get presents, we really should be looking at Panoramia the woman, not Pan the abstraction of a jade wizard that we happen to be dating. So what do we know about her personality?
We know she is daring. Her first move in her journey was to join a military expedition against the undead of Mordheim, putting her directly into a hot military conflict that sounded like it got rough. Then she followed up by joining an expedition across the old world to do it again.
We know she is idealistic- she knew who we were and was excited when she met us because of what we represented, and she refused to avoid battle when her friends were getting stuck in even at personal risk.
We know she is cheerful and friendly, from how she makes friends wherever she goes and the way she interacted with the ducklings when they were new.
We know she is observant, from the way she picked up on waaaghsoak shrooms and saw through our facades, and is more enthusiastic than offput by hard, dirty work.
More relevantly, we know she is frustrated with the jade college and it's preoccupation with gods instead of the deeds she focuses herself on, and we know that it was the environment she grew up in, making her determination to get out and stay out suggestive of a willingness to burn bridges and make a stand on her principles.
And with this last update, we know she is quiet and comfortable spending time being scholarly, and her idea of 'not doing anything' is much more related to not being out in the fields working than not actually doing anything.
What does she like? I'm betting that clever things and trinkets arent much her area, and she does not at all seen like a party girl despite the halfling's reputation in that area. Probably like Mathilde in that she likes wizards and other species more than humans, but I bet a lot of that is due to growing up in the colleges and only getting scary stories second hand.
She does not seem to be like a shallayan, looking to care and nurture, but rather more like Gotri in that she likes to tinker worth things and see the results, to build stuff and be radical.
So my bet on presents for her would be mundane tools, or an enchanted book that can survive dirt and water to retain what she writes on it, or new things that are outside the experience of the jades back in Altdorf.
I would argue against adornments for appearance, or weapons, or replacements for things she already has.
But I bet the best things we could do for her are to be a showman and a mystic for her, to pull her in to our side of the curtain and show her worlds she would never have seen otherwise.
Like, the both of us wearing mutable visage to an Altdorf noble party, or the caverns of Vlag where they grew their underground food, or the elven forests.
Bring her into our secrets! Maybe swing through the royal zoo and on the way introduce her to our good friend the empress, and our godson.
We know she is daring. Her first move in her journey was to join a military expedition against the undead of Mordheim, putting her directly into a hot military conflict that sounded like it got rough. Then she followed up by joining an expedition across the old world to do it again.
We know she is idealistic- she knew who we were and was excited when she met us because of what we represented, and she refused to avoid battle when her friends were getting stuck in even at personal risk.
We know she is cheerful and friendly, from how she makes friends wherever she goes and the way she interacted with the ducklings when they were new.
We know she is observant, from the way she picked up on waaaghsoak shrooms and saw through our facades, and is more enthusiastic than offput by hard, dirty work.
More relevantly, we know she is frustrated with the jade college and it's preoccupation with gods instead of the deeds she focuses herself on, and we know that it was the environment she grew up in, making her determination to get out and stay out suggestive of a willingness to burn bridges and make a stand on her principles.
And with this last update, we know she is quiet and comfortable spending time being scholarly, and her idea of 'not doing anything' is much more related to not being out in the fields working than not actually doing anything.
What does she like? I'm betting that clever things and trinkets arent much her area, and she does not at all seen like a party girl despite the halfling's reputation in that area. Probably like Mathilde in that she likes wizards and other species more than humans, but I bet a lot of that is due to growing up in the colleges and only getting scary stories second hand.
She does not seem to be like a shallayan, looking to care and nurture, but rather more like Gotri in that she likes to tinker worth things and see the results, to build stuff and be radical.
So my bet on presents for her would be mundane tools, or an enchanted book that can survive dirt and water to retain what she writes on it, or new things that are outside the experience of the jades back in Altdorf.
I would argue against adornments for appearance, or weapons, or replacements for things she already has.
But I bet the best things we could do for her are to be a showman and a mystic for her, to pull her in to our side of the curtain and show her worlds she would never have seen otherwise.
Like, the both of us wearing mutable visage to an Altdorf noble party, or the caverns of Vlag where they grew their underground food, or the elven forests.
Bring her into our secrets! Maybe swing through the royal zoo and on the way introduce her to our good friend the empress, and our godson.
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You cut off here. I get your point though, I'm not voting for a present because I don't think it's necessary. Maybe for a special occasion like her graduating to Magister Mathilde can do something nice, but a random sun hat isn't exactly the most compelling purchase.
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Sorry, posted early by accident. The rest of the post is up now, with my thoughts on actual good options.
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This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask @BoneyM. What are the limitations of enchanting an object with Illusion? Mathilde can enchant Fiendishly Complex spells now, and I think she saw Asarnil dodge a Higher Daemon's attack with a body double illusion from his necklace (although Mathilde might not know about the artifact she saw its results). Does Mathilde think she can replicate an effect similar to that with Illusion? Creating a body double when the bearer of a necklace enchanted with it is being threatened?
If you're going to create a graduation gift for your paramour, it's fitting to grant them something that would save their life from being bisected by a Greater Daemon.
If you're going to create a graduation gift for your paramour, it's fitting to grant them something that would save their life from being bisected by a Greater Daemon.
I don't think I can actually name a single artefact in the entire setting that is more out of Mathilde's league than the Amulet of Dragonheart. It's one of the greatest creations of the the guy that made the Great Vortex.
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There's a lot of artifacts out of her league though! Sword of Khaine, Fellblade, Silver Seal, Staff of Volans etc etc.
Just to clarify, I was not saying I wanted to make Mathilde make something as strong as that artifact, which I know is impossible, but something that can at least be a weaker version of it. Better than nothing right?
The staff of Volans was made by a human artificer, it is something we might aspire to. Let's not mythologize the first generation of the Colleges too much, their works do not belong in the same category as the works of gods or Calandor.
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If we can make an artifact that is powerful enough to match Friedrich Von Tarnus' Silver Seal, then I'd be absolutely shocked. It might be one of the strongest defensive artifacts humanity has ever had access to.
Being fair, I might be getting my wires crossed because the mechanical effects of Amulet of Dragonheart vs Silver Seal don't match up to the lore. Amulet is I think -1 to melee attacks and a 5+ Ward Save against ranged, whereas Silver Seal is just a standard 4+ Ward Save against everything. Logically Amulet should be stronger than that, but that's what I get for comparing 8th edition artifact vs 5th edition Dogs of War I guess.
I'll give you the Sword of Khaine, but von Tarnus really doesn't measure up to Caledor Dragontamer.
Mathilde could make something to project a body double of the wearer, but it's open to debate how convincing it might be and how much help it would actually provide in combat. Creating a convincing Illusion that stands up to any sort of scrutiny really requires a thinking mind to fill in every detail.
The Amulet of Dragonheart makes anyone trying to fight against Asarnil do so with WS 1, which is approximately the skill level of a concussed child.
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Why would Cython suddenly broach the topic on Karag Dum if we haven't even told them about the divine presence we witnessed?
That's weird. Why not? If Humans (among other beings) can be infused with the two Winds least friendly to life and still live relatively happy and successful lives, why can't other mammals that have been altered with magic and granted additional intelligence do the same?
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I think I'm looking at the incorrect stat block then, because nothing I'm looking at shows that WS1 thing. No saves to prevent that from happening? That's bonkers. How the hell did Ulthuan let him leave with that on him?
Everyone who tried to stop him moved with the skill of a concussed child. Against Asarnil and Death Fang. "Victory is a forgone conclusion".
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Presumably for the same reason that waaaghsoak mushrooms don't do well with the energies.
I think it is less about putting the wind in the animal and more about what the connection is made of. Death cannot bring two living things together and neither can Metal.
They probably wouldn't on account of never being within half a continent of either Morghur or Karag Dum, which is also why I guarantee you they'll have no new insight to give on the interaction between the two.
Familiars aren't just the animal equivalent of Wizards, they're a living creature that a Wizard uses their Wind to form a magical bond with. 'Living' rules out the Wind of Death, and 'creature' rules out the Wind of Metal. If they want a familiar, they have to make one.
Perhaps banishing one of Ulthuan's greatest generals, who was atop one of Ulthuan's greatest dragons and wearing one of Ulthuan's greatest magical artefacts, was not the smartest of decisions the Phoenix King ever made.
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Honestly I don't get why the Elves even have a Phoenix King - the War against Chaos was won, they could have just gone back to having the Everqueen. As far as I can tell, it's just been an utter cavalcade of fuckups.
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Kings, it turns out, are very hard to get rid of once you have them.
Because Chaos did not just go away when the Vortex was made. Apocalyptic war became constant grinding attrition against beastmen Fimir, Dragon Ogres etc...
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The Elves were a peaceful folk who didn't have much combat readiness and a lot of them got slaughtered after the Great Cataclysm. Aenarion rose to defend them as a war leader and became the first Pheonix King, and every Phoenix King afterwards was in charge of dealing with the threats that came popping up after the Polar Gates crashed, most notably the Dark Elves.
The current Everqueen HATES fighting. If she was the only one ruling Ulthuan their military would be entirely stuck on defence. It's why the Phoenix King is there, to deal with all the other stuff that isn't healing and removing chaos corruption, which is the Everqueen's specialty.