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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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SurpriseMe said:
I strongly doubt that this theorized side research would ever emerge. A lot of the opposition to waystones is from the perspective of there being more immediate things to and that waystones would keep. If we're essentially running a province and facing issues like "stop the morrites and Sigmarites from arguing", "investigate count von suspicious", "lead an expedition to clear the Barrow" and other things of that nature, I strongly suspect Waystones would be pushed aside again and again.
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That, and also BoneyM has repeatedly said that the only way to progress on waystone research is to make it the main project.
 
Instead of rolling a d4, if things stay this close, imo @BoneyM should pick whatever he'd find most interesting/he thinks has the best potential plot line. A quest is only as good as its GM is interested in it after all. If he has no specific opinion on it, then yeah a d4 makes sense.
 
Darth. said:
Instead of rolling a d4, if things stay this close, imo @BoneyM should pick whatever he'd find most interesting/he thinks has the best potential plot line. A quest is only as good as its GM is interested in it after all. If he has no opinion on it, then yeah a d4 makes sense.
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I'd rather not go with that as I don't want people to have any reason not to vote for whatever their actual preference is. People trying to force a tie in the misguided idea that it'd let me pick the 'best' path forward would defeat the purpose of the vote.
 
lentil said:
That, and also BoneyM has repeatedly said that the only way to progress on waystone research is to make it the main project.
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The arguments aren't for doing Waystone research on the side, it's for setting up funding, contacts and establishing bona fides so that actual Waystone research progress when we do do it goes faster and smoother.
 
lentil said:
This argument keeps coming up, and each time the answer is the same: The only way to do waystone research is to make it our project. It is too involved to be a side project. You can not, as a previous voter phrased it, have your cake and eat it too.
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The idea isn't to do the Waystone project while doing another thing. It's that, at least in Sylvania, learning about Waystones serves a practical purpose as Markgraf and we can bring the knowledge we gain there with us to the Waystone Project.

Sylvanian towns and keeps were raised by Waystones and Sylvanians have been noted to (for possibly sinister reasons) have uses of them. Necromancers are also known to corrupt and use Waystones so there's a plethora of knowledge relevant to both the Markgraf and as a prelude to the actual Waystone Project. Meanwhile Waystones are perhaps the best way to cleanse Sylvania of the corruption caused by warpstone below the surface and necromancy above it. So if we investigate Waystones there we can get some actual experience with them that isn't the Karak network while doing our actual job.
 
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BoneyM said:
I'd rather not go with that as I don't want people to have any reason not to vote for whatever their actual preference is. People trying to force a tie in the misguided idea that it'd let me pick the 'best' path forward would defeat the purpose of the vote.
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I don't think anyone's forcing a tie here. We're all trying to get our option to win and ending up with a tie. My suggestion was for that occurrence rather than in the case of an active attempt to tie things.
 
Uh, don't panic because I'm probably being too suspicious, but... I think the vote's stuck at 255. I haven't seen any of the vote options reach 256 or above. If someone could disprove this real quick...?

Edit: This appears to have been disproven, thankfully.
 
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picklepikkl said:
...I'm kind of coming around to "Boney should just roll a d4 if things stay this contested." Tiny leads don't seem like a meaningfully better way of making decisions that just taking the will of Ranald, when four options enjoy such comparable levels of support and none of them can muster a majority.
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If we are doing something unusual we should probably just do a ranked choice round between the biggest four. With the lowered number of option that format becomes way less clunky and thus more approachable than it would have been here.
 
If something has the most votes, at the time the vote closes, even just one vote, it should be the option chosen. No D4, and no QM preference.

Them's the rules.
 
Derpmind said:
Uh, don't panic because I'm probably being too suspicious, but... I think the vote's stuck at 255. I haven't seen any of the vote options reach 256 or above. If someone could disprove this real quick...?
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I've been keeping an eye on this and everything goes up and down by one since people are editing their previous vote posts to push their option to the top.

Example: Markgraf rose to 256 before it fell while Waystone stayed roughly as is implying people removed Markgraf from their votes while keeping Waystone.
 
Darth. said:
The arguments aren't for doing Waystone research on the side, it's for setting up funding, contacts and establishing bona fides so that actual Waystone research progress when we do do it goes faster and smoother.
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That argument has also been addressed; setting up funding and establishing bona fides are only going to happen if Mathilde shows a serious interest in Waystones by doing the project. "Contacts" is more vague and hypothetically she could make more contacts then she currently has, but she isn't going to make more contacts that are interested in waystones without studying waystones.
 
lentil said:
That argument has also been addressed; setting up funding and establishing bona fides are only going to happen if Mathilde shows a serious interest in Waystones by doing the project. "Contacts" is more vague and hypothetically she could make more contacts then she currently has, but she isn't going to make more contacts that are interested in waystones without studying waystones.
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I'm not talking about research contacts I'm talking about Elector-Counts and the Emperor etc. Regardless I'm too tired to get into this now so whatever wins.
 
Darth. said:
The arguments aren't for doing Waystone research on the side, it's for setting up funding, contacts and establishing bona fides so that actual Waystone research progress when we do do it goes faster and smoother.
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This is an argument that has no end point. There can always be more funding, better contacts, more prestigious bona fides. If someone wants to do the Waystone Project then the way to achieve that is to do the Waystone Project, not eternally pursue some ideal start point. The best time to start the Waystone Project is 4500 years ago, the second best time is now.

Darth. said:
I don't think anyone's forcing a tie here. We're all trying to get our option to win and ending up with a tie. My suggestion was for that occurrence rather than an active attempt to tie things.
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I'm saying that if people think that I'm going to pick my 'favourite' in case of a tie, I suspect people will start trying to cause one. No, the winner will be the one with the most votes when voting closes, and that's the end of it.
 
Darth. said:
I've been keeping an eye on this and everything goes up and down by one since people are editing their previous vote posts to push their option to the top.

Example: Markgraf rose to 256 before it fell while Waystone stayed roughly as is implying people removed Markgraf from their votes while keeping Waystone.
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We've sometimes had mispelled votes that might have bumped the number up to 256 when merged in the vote manager. And the numbers have been hovering around 255 for hours even though we keep getting more and more voters and it's twinging my suspicion meter super hard. I think maybe the vote tally isn't set up to handle numbers this big.
 
Darth. said:
The arguments aren't for doing Waystone research on the side, it's for setting up funding, contacts and establishing bona fides so that actual Waystone research progress when we do do it goes faster and smoother.
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The idea of polishing our reputation before taking up an action to better impress people has kept us off Ulthuan for years. I think that any benefits to a slightly smoother start will be far, far, far, outweighed by starting years earlier.
 
Darth. said:
The arguments aren't for doing Waystone research on the side, it's for setting up funding, contacts and establishing bona fides so that actual Waystone research progress when we do do it goes faster and smoother.
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If people want to set up funding, establish contacts and progress Waystone research, as has been stated many times, they should vote for the Waystone Project.

Please stop trying to frame other options as 'this will help the Waystone research actually", because it's very disingenuous and has been refuted many times.
 
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Hi everyone, long time lurker finally getting an account to vote instead of just watching!

But I just want to know if that's ok? I know some sites don't let you post and this kind of thread for a while.

Is that a rule in SV?
 
Darth. said:
I've been keeping an eye on this and everything goes up and down by one since people are editing their previous vote posts to push their option to the top.

Example: Markgraf rose to 256 before it fell while Waystone stayed roughly as is implying people removed Markgraf from their votes while keeping Waystone.
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I did exactly that.
I prefer Margraf to Loremaster but Waystone is the option I want most.
 
BoneyM said:
If Waystones could be figured out as a side gig, it would already have been done by someone else. The only way to make real progress is to pool information from disparate sources, and those sources aren't going to play ball if Mathilde is just doing it as a hobby.
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BoneyM said:
There are no more bits and pieces. Mathilde has all the information that she can reasonably acquire as a Grey Wizard. The only progress forward on understanding Waystones is by bringing in other sources of information, and the only reasonable way to do that is the Waystone Project.
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I went and dug up some of the relevant quotes by BoneyM on waystones. The point is that there will be no progress on waystones without researching waystones.

If you don't want to research waystones, that's a perfectly fair opinion to hold, but please don't make arguments that Mathilde can research waystones, or be better positioned to research waystones, through any action that isn't researching waystones.

Semi-related, the word "waystones" and variations are slowly ceasing to look like words to me.

Edit: And BoneyM went and ninja'd me on a much firmer statement of the same thing. Didn't need to dig up those quotes afterall.
 
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