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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Yes
It is not the Dawi way to just raise a grudge without clearing things up or seeking recompense first.

I have faith that Belegar will confront Thorgrim before doing anything rash. And I have faith that Thorek is not an idiot.

Thorgrim doesn't even have to break his oaths, if he swore on the Dammas Krom that the energy directed to Karaz-a-Karak benefited not just all remaining Dawi holds but all of Dawi-kind, Belegar would believe him. Or at least believe that he believes it.
 
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Asheram said:
In addition, holding this area does little in the large scale of things other than granting Barak Varr some tax relief.
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There is more. If every east-west passage is held by the forces of order, destro factions of East can't really threten Western powers. Badlands and South would still be a problem but less chance of it combining with eastern problems. Holding the Axis is very usefull to all Order factions really.
 
[X]No
My serching ability is failing right now, but I could have sworn that the situation between Belegar and Thorgrimm has been described as a brewing civil war at least once, and I would rather not drive the final wedge between k8p and kak on grounds as flimsy as Thorgrimm traveling a bit faster than he should.
Even if the situation is not that dire, I don't see what benefit could be gotten from driving Belegar into hating Thorgrimm even more.
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
The rift is already there. We aren't suggesting a whole new thing to be mad about, we're giving evidence that he will see as supporting his theory that he already believes. If it pushes him to say something about it, that's great, because then the misunderstanding can be resolved.

It will absolutely not push him to start a war without attempting any other solution, and it is madness to suggest otherwise.
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Its not about Belegar seeking recompense. As per Words of Mathilde put by BoneyM.
BoneyM said:
"Not quite. They don't think like we do. A human is very good at convincing himself that he's in the right. A Dwarf will obsessively dwell on them being in the wrong. I suspect they find it literally impossible not to. So an Elector that is upset at the Emperor will convince himself why it's okay for him to divide Sigmar's Empire, but a Dwarven King upset at the High King will brood endlessly on how they are failing Grungni's Karaz Ankor. So instead of rebellion, you have a growing silence, until the King succumbs to despair and relations are normalized with the heir's ascension." You think of Belegar and suppress a wince. "So Karaz-a-Karak is able to project an image of unity because those that disagree are silenced by the shame of failing their Ancestors."
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A king doing this is extremely drastic and sets up an avalanche of diplomatic precedent that can only be said to be shitstorm. Any action but Belegar chilling out can have massive repercussions on future relations within Everlasting Realm. The Grudge is worst case scenario that i don't consider likely, but any other level before that is almost just as disastrous.

Waiting for upcoming audience with Thorgrim and asking him to at least try to explain the fact that Karaz-a-Karak is apparently amassing magic, before we give more condemning evidence is like, better than just giving the condemning evidence and "its out of our hands". Especially with the tunnel vision Belegar sports that i tried to highlight.
 
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I have every confidence that Belegar will give Thorgrim at least as much chance to speak in his own defense as the dwarves of old gave Caledor over the wholesale slaughter of dwarven communities and caravans.
 
[X] Yes

Keeping in mind that:
1) Belegar is a Logistics expert. He can do math.
2) Thorgrim rushed to Vlag so fast that its logistically impossible that he knew by messenger.
3) If we do the Waystone project he's going to be learning later, and knowing that we kept it back from him would not do much good either.

I'd rather Mathilde tell him the truth so that he can come to a slightly inaccurate conclusion, than him figuring out something worse on his own later, when she's not around.
 
pucflek said:
Its not about Belegar seeking recompense. As per Words of Mathilde put by BoneyM.


A king doing this is extremely drastic and sets up an avalanche of diplomatic precedent that can only be said to be shitstorm. Any action but Belegar chilling out can have massive repercussions. The Grudge is worst case scenario that i don't consider likely, but any other level before that is almost just as disastrous.
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Are you suggesting that Belegar having evidence supporting a theory he already believes will cause him to commit suicide?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Are you suggesting that Belegar having evidence supporting a theory he already believes will cause him to commit suicide?
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No, i am implying that unlike virtually every other King that would commit suicide by Slayerhood, he might not, and the whole of Karaz Ankor might be worse off for it.

(But i do think that thats a possibility too tbh, now that you bring it up. He seemed ready to consider it once or twice).
 
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