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[X] The Waystone Project
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River
[x] Nagarythe
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I'm already planning to pitch (if it wins):
building a fortress covered top to bottom with anti-undead runes (or barring that the Rune of Valaya), Amethyst wards, and whatever the priest of Mor and Gazul can bring to the table, and stick it right were Castle Drakenhof used to be.

I not only want our first action to be a giant 'fuck you' to the vampires.

I want that 'fuck you' to be so toxic to their very nature as to be unusable to their kind.
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...I like the way you think. Only problem I can think of is that we didn't really clean up our mess when we brought the castle down. The ruins are probably still sitting there, and it would be a shitton if work to wipe it, especially with how many dark objects and sleeping vampires are probably buried inside. We might have to choose a different location.
 
Ericwinter said:
...I like the way you think. Only problem I can think of is that we didn't really clean up our mess when we brought the castle down. The ruins are probably still sitting there, and it would be a shitton if work to wipe it, especially with how many dark objects and sleeping vampires are probably buried inside. We might have to choose a different location.
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just because its hard, doesn't mean its worth it.

that's the point of a statement.

(plus, we would have to clear that out anyways at some point, if Rose hasn't already.)
 
Ericwinter said:
...I like the way you think. Only problem I can think of is that we didn't really clean up our mess when we brought the castle down. The ruins are probably still sitting there, and it would be a shitton if work to wipe it, especially with how many dark objects and sleeping vampires are probably buried inside. We might have to choose a different location.
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I'd say that regardless of the location we choose it would be one imposing sight, I'd probably suggest adding some enchantments of our own to it. Also if we get around to developing it and if it is possible I'd take the proposed Summon Ring Wraiths spell and bind a few of them to the castle to act as eternal sentinels programmed to murderize Vampires.
 
Sinsystems said:
I'd say that regardless of the location we choose it would be one imposing sight, I'd probably suggest adding some enchantments of our own to it. Also if we get around to developing it and if it is possible I'd take the proposed Summon Ring Wraiths spell and bind a few of them to the castle to act as eternal sentinels programmed to murderize Vampires.
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For personal enchantments, there is that anti-undead Thurible idea for using Windherder, if I recall correctly. That might be quite helpful.
 
Briefvoice said:
BoneyM has said multiple times that Waystones are not a side project, they are a full time commitment. Trying to study them without making a full job of it is guaranteed to get nowhere. (I am guessing, but I think part of it is that we'd have to commit to get the elven assistance that would make it possible at all.)

Everybody... Fixing Waystones will be the most difficult and involved of all these projects. It will be the most difficult effort that Mathilde has ever undertaken, and it might fail in the end.

You thought developing Fog Path was tough? That was nothing. No single project Mathilde has undertaken to date will be as difficult or complex or take as many actions. No combined project Mathilde has undertaken has been as difficult. This is going to be dozens and dozens worth of AP.

That's not to say not to do it, but I really worry that posters are talking about Waystones as if they were something that can be done without too much effort. Again, I am convinced it's the single most difficult job on offer, probably harder than any two of these other jobs.
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Definitely agree that what I'm suggesting would have a fraction of the scope of the entire Waystone Project and still be dozens of actions because one does not casually purify Sylvania. But if we continue to study the Winds and Dhar from the Liber Mortis and Vitae, study Waystones in Sylvania, investigate the Karaks and what exactly we did when we already cleared two blocked Holds, and visit the elves, then yeah I think it's feasible we could do a poor woman's job of getting some local Waystones to do what they're supposed to. It doesn't have to be big or deviate from what Waystones already do, and we don't have to tinker with the network of the entire continent like elven Mages of old, but if we can do to a few Waystones what we did to the Karaks then Panoramia has a chance to make the place livable and we can continue working of Waystones from there. We killed half a million Orcs with a few turns. We get Kasmir to do the real work when the Waystones make sure that purification won't be reversed by the next year and give Codrin Petrescu hope that his soldiers may farm the land they fight for.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
 
...we might be making thread history on this one, folks. Vote's been open for not even twelve hours and we have 306 voters.

For comparison's sake, the largest vote that I'm aware of was the looting of Teufelheim, with 393 voters, and the runner-up was the initial romance vote with 372.
 
picklepikkl said:
...we might be making thread history on this one, folks. Vote's been open for not even twelve hours and we have 306 voters.

For comparison's sake, the largest vote that I'm aware of was the looting of Teufelheim, with 393 voters, and the runner-up was the initial romance vote with 372.
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And it's not even the final decision, either. Just what options we'll be looking at more closely.
 
I'm not thrilled with the concept of ruling (sylvannia in particular) but if we go we have to look into binding apparitions. No point in ruling if you don't have aesthetic, and nothing is more aesthetic than sending out hoards of shadowy figures out to do your biding in a land of shadows and death. More than that, it would build into our burgeoning legend, which we could observe and shape in real time.
 
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Naggarythe
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Count of Sylvania
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Border Princess of the Howling River
[x] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
 
Rafin said:
That's because it's about which job offer to investigate. As a job it has lots of drawbacks, but learning why and by whom we were offered this job could be quite interesting.
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Presumably this is like the Romance vote, where the 'investigate X number of options' vote was used to winnow the ridiculous number of potential votes down to a more manageable set, then followed by the 'choose one' vote.

Swamp Town, being number 4, will definitely be an option in the ensuing poll vote. Loremaster-at-Large, number 7, is much more dicey. So if people vote for Swamp Town on the theory of 'even if I wouldn't actually choose it, I want to spend time and wordcount learning about it' and it ends up cutting off my boring yet practical preference from the running, I'd be real sad.
 
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Kinda wonder how long until we get to page 10,000, we've already gone 81 pages in the past three days. And we should have a whole period of heavy voting and active discussion here.
 
picklepikkl said:
...we might be making thread history on this one, folks. Vote's been open for not even twelve hours and we have 306 voters.

For comparison's sake, the largest vote that I'm aware of was the looting of Teufelheim, with 393 voters, and the runner-up was the initial romance vote with 372.
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I wonder where Boney will draw the line... Because besides the 3 leading votes the rest are extremely close to one another.
 
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@BoneyM, I got the sense that we got goodbyes from our actual friends (or at least people we got a good connection with). In that case Arsanil's absence makes perfect sense, seeing as we aren't so much a friend as an ex-colleague he had a few interesting conversations with. It's probably harder than that to befriend a centuries-old elf, and much like Deathfang his social actions often felt like one-offs.
Or were these simply the interactions you thought would be fun to read/write, and calling Snorri a friend would be too much?
I don't have a very good feel for Mathilde's relationship to him. Colleagues who get along? Sort of friends? Colleagues who shared some trying circumstances but will now never speak again?
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'Mutual respect' would probably be the best answer you could get. Snorri's had a tumultuous few months and it'll probably take a while for his emotional state to settle back down and he can assess how he feels about it all.

Rafin said:
I know that Mathilde and the vast majority of educated folk in the Empire would understand the technical idea behind it. And that plenty of folk probably use it during animal breeding. I was more asking about how much Mathilde and the people around her would find it normal, acceptable, or even thinkable. Also, if one wants to do it the non-traditional method it isn't actually all that simple. One has to get the substance fresh or prepare, store and re-prepare it appropriately. One has to insert it correctly so that it reaches its proper destination. One has to do things to increase the likelihood of successful fertilization so that one doesn't have to go through this whole process quite as often. And one has to be aware of the normal failure rate so that one doesn't immediately think that things are being done incorrectly.

I mean, yes, Mathilde has a high Learning stat and an extensive collection of books both on humanoid anatomy and on canines (which definitely includes breeding), but has she, for instance, ever even read about how one would go about "procuring" the necessary substance from a male human outside of maybe her most raunchy Imperial, Bretonnian and Druchii romance novels (and I don't even want to imagine what the last category says on the subject)?

So yes, if Mathilde wanted to have a child with Panoramia, all that would be involved is asking her about the how and not running out of the room. But when it comes to Mathilde doing it on her own without girding herself,studying up in more obscure texts and maybe even some highly embarrassing practical research, I am quite skeptical. At least if there aren't any setting or lore reasons for this kind of information to be more widely disseminated (no pun intended) than expected.
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Why are you inventing a scenario where Mathilde inexplicably does this with no research, no prep time, and no assistance, and then coming to me to complain that your suspension of disbelief clashes with this scenario that you have invented entirely by yourself?

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Did we actually give any of these to anyone at all to try during the expedition?
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No, the opportunity never really arose.

Rafin said:
Shouldn't our actual use of RoW have refreshed this to some extent?
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No. Casting RoW means you don't need to care about terrain obstacles.
 
you know, a lot of people have already drawn the conclusion that Waystone has already won. but being the 'average' favourite and being the final winner is a very different thing.

I'm hopeful that while Waystone has a lot of 'conscience' appeal, a good showing from the other top dogs will unseat it when things move to 'there can only be one'.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
you know, a lot of people have already drawn the conclusion that Waystone has already won. but being the 'average' favourite and being the final winner is a very different thing.

I'm hopeful that while Waystone has a lot of 'conscience' appeal, a good showing from the other top dogs will unseat it when things move to 'there can only be one'.
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'A lot of people' has so far just been, like, one person as far as I can tell. :V

Personally I'm hoping for pretty much the opposite, and that options like Tutor and Swamp Town are only so popular because people are curious about what they actually are rather than because so many want to actually do them.

But yes, there's likely to be some kind of shuffle either way. Just look at how the romance vote shifted after the 'first dates'.
 
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