- Location
- Earth
That the Winter Wolves ran away he know.
That they took refugees with them, because they were ordered to kill them, he didn't.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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That they took refugees with them, because they were ordered to kill them, he didn't.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Hey, remember back when people thought we might need to remove Borek so he didn't get us all killed? And now we just want the fucker back so he can answer some questions...
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
If you make a new vote it counts as changing your vote right?
Making my vote more exclusive to try to get the info I'm interested in:
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
Making my vote more exclusive to try to get the info I'm interested in:
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
I know it's too late, but...
Horizontal axis cannot be "what they tried as defense measures". Duh. I think that's about amount of survivors.
Vertical axis... I think it's about "how/why". I.e. canonically "everything fine, they did nothing wrong", and here "they're did something so fucking fucked that even Chaos can't unfuck that (yet)".
One thing we know from that - situation there halfly canonical. Horizontal axis, I mean. And halfly not canonical at all.Could it that the axis on this is Space-Time displacement?
The checkmark is the result rolled, 'canon' is the situation in Gotrek and Felix.
Vertical is space and horizontal is Time?
Horizontal axis cannot be "what they tried as defense measures". Duh. I think that's about amount of survivors.
Vertical axis... I think it's about "how/why". I.e. canonically "everything fine, they did nothing wrong", and here "they're did something so fucking fucked that even Chaos can't unfuck that (yet)".
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
As someone else said, he's the Patriarch of the fire wizards.
The reason he's called "No-relation" is because there's another wizard with a similar name that was the first wizard to be Pacified. Basically a magic lobotomy?
- Location
- Earth
My guess is that the different tribes split based on worship of different gods. We've seen 1 for Dragon Ogre, 1 for Slaanesh, and 1 for Khorne. So Tzeentch and Nurgle remain.
Yes, the new post overwrites everything in your previous post.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Haha, you're totally right. They even have the C right there for comparison purposes. Check it out:
And what that other guy was talking about:
With the dash it's even clearer that it's Gave, not Grave.
Wild.
Middenland's alliance with the Eonir was supposedly built on the violent expulsion of those living in Laurelorn's territory. Instead of killing these villagers the Winter Wolves left the Empire with them, and they became the founding population of Ulrikadrin. That's why the Ar-Ulric isn't seeking to punish them, because it's a neat solution to an unsavoury requirement, even if he can't officially sanction it. Nobody outside noticed it happening because refugees leaving a warzone isn't really notable.
It's explained more fully in a later update, but I wanted to tease the thread by seeing if they could realize what Mathilde did.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Okay, let's actually do science to this.
What are the major hypotheses and how could we falsify any of them?
1.* are going to be hard to nail down. We might be able to gain some information by seeing if different materials respond to the field differently? This would be a lot easier if we had any Runesmiths. I would like to see if we can figure out precisely where the desert is centered.
3.* I'm not sure about. Talking to Cor-Dum would probably do a lot, but I'm not sure how to swing that. Observing him interacting with the Kurgan would help.
It'd be nice if we could find Borek to see what's become of him.
I think that my vote will be...
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[X] Ask for a volunteer to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
Basically, try to sneak in to gather more data about the Beastmen, without committing too hard.
Also, if we don't figure anything out now, I'd like to commit right now to coming back to investigate more deeply with Cython, a Runesmith, and a priest of the Dwarven Ancestor Gods.
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What are the major hypotheses and how could we falsify any of them?
- The divine power that's transmuting the rock is sourced from...
- An Elven Deity is transmuting the rock
- Cor-Dum is transmuting the rock
- Power stolen from the Ancestor Gods is transmuting the rock
- The Beastmen are...
- The Dwarves of Karag Dum, transformed by Cor-Dum
- The Kurgan, transformed by Cor-Dum
- The Dwarves of Karag Dum, transformed by a ritual of some kind
- Perfectly normal Beastmen
- Cor-Dum...
- Serves Karag Dum voluntarily
- Serves Karag Dum unwillingly, bound by runecraft or similar
- Does not serve Karag Dum; the situation has just been engineered to keep him there
- Isn't present, this is just something that looks like him
1.* are going to be hard to nail down. We might be able to gain some information by seeing if different materials respond to the field differently? This would be a lot easier if we had any Runesmiths. I would like to see if we can figure out precisely where the desert is centered.
3.* I'm not sure about. Talking to Cor-Dum would probably do a lot, but I'm not sure how to swing that. Observing him interacting with the Kurgan would help.
It'd be nice if we could find Borek to see what's become of him.
I think that my vote will be...
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[X] Ask for a volunteer to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
Basically, try to sneak in to gather more data about the Beastmen, without committing too hard.
Also, if we don't figure anything out now, I'd like to commit right now to coming back to investigate more deeply with Cython, a Runesmith, and a priest of the Dwarven Ancestor Gods.
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- Added 2.4 from @Guile
- Added 3.4 from @Godwinson
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Don't forget 2.4.: The Beastmen are actually Beastmen, drawn from over thousands of miles to Gor-Dum.
It's happened before.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
And could you blame us?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
I forget, did we actually succeed in that, or did you have to explain it?
Also, if and when we end up working with the Eonir we should totally introduce our girlfriend to them and maybe take her for a visit should we be invited to Laurelorn. Not for her magical expertise, but just because she would totally love getting to see places like this.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Yes. Absolutely.
We-the-questers barely understand how it went down now.
If memory serves a few of the guesses were in the right ballpark.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
If praying/prying for help works, why ever not consult the god in question?
There is the Everchosen reason
but the other one is that the Chaos Chalice we must steal is probably with the Kul so they are probably more drunk (literaly) on Chaos Kool-aid than the Kvellige.
while I'm not sure about your 'findings'..
I do like your thinking.
falsify is a strong word for something we need to do fast, but we do have theories, so let's start eliminating them before adding in something new.
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Attempt to scout the forest at the base of the Karak
[X] Ask for a volunteer to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
Tentative votes until someone can convince me that something else can check off one of the 3 big theories.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
I guess it's also possible that rather than be transformed on site or drawn from elsewhere on foot, they came with the mysteriously-appearing old-growth forest. Like some deity dropped a big ass forest into the Chaos Wastes (probably while flipping the bird at every Chaos God simultaneously with both hands), and it just so happened to include Gor-Dum and an army of Beastmen. Oops.
But there's no way to test that that I can think of. Even if we killed a Beastman and counted the rings, it only proves that he's an old Beastman, not where he came from. Unless there's region-specific Beastmen mutations. I guess we could ask Seija and the Taalites.
The thing I keep coming back to is the desert. Why a desert? Why not more forest? What purpose does the transmuted desert serve, and why is it transmuting instead of powdering the rock?
A nature god would *want* more forest right? Like I buy Cor Dum generating a forest, but a desert seems the most anathemic location to a nature aura.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Presumably you have to burn out the old growth before bringing in the new.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I think that the desert may not be intentional. The sand is a side result of the bit-by-bit transmutation - if the rock was transmuted all at once it'd be solid, but because it's being transmuted a tiny bit at a time it's flaking off into sand. The temperature is because that's how deserts work, sand has terrible thermal mass so the area cools off extremely quickly at night and heats up extremely quickly during the day.
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@BoneyM, something else to look at: What happens to vegetation that's on the edge as it's transmuted? Grass, moss, lichen, anything.
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- Location
- some computer lab
It could be a buffer zone between the forest and the chaos Wastes, so to expand the forest you would want to expand the buffer at about the same rate.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Cython would probably have books to say about it, but my assumption is it's some kind of desert god, or heat god on top of being a wild god.
Does sand make a good fertilizer? And what god could transmute sand?