Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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While putting your faith in me is very flattering, that is not my username. It's picklepikkl, not picklepikki.
Maybe not rescue but perhaps we could leave them part of our weaponry. A few tanks and maybe half our cannons? Not much but better than nothing. After we enlist their help for the UnHoly Grail heist (which is probably used against them on a semi-regular basis).
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[X] ACTION: Politely ask Morghur to be granted entrance into Karak Dum.
[X] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.
[X] THEORY: The specifics are hazy, but this is a known contingency plan that Borek is entirely aware of, but hoped hadn't been enacted. The result breaks all Dawi notions of acceptability, but Karak Dum survives in some capacity and continues to inflict attrition on every local and visiting Chaos force that want to take a swing at them, so it is considered a lesser evil by the pragmatic Karak Dum.
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You probably shouldn't underestimate Dwarven rune craft when they're motivated enough.
Alric the Mad pulled some serious mind fuckery when he made the Nemesis Crown, and the rune of Kingship is already working in the general direction of stabilising and supporting a mind.
If they went deep enough into the kick-flip zone, slipped further down into the madness zone and spent the fifty years heads-up they had on preparing some heretical as fuck countermeasures there's not a lot they couldn't pull off. Stabilising Morghur's mind isn't out of the question, though I personally don't think that's what they did.
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As has been mentioned before, there's various ways. Including but not limited too, seeing if Morghur attacks if we wait a bit, calling out for parley with the hold, seeing how other fronts look, chucking at rock at Morghur and seeing what happens, examining the remains around is in more detail and with the expertise of other expedition members, etc.
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tapkomet
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I can think of several paths: scouting, investigating the skeletons, talking to the other Kurgan besieging the place, and also attempting to approach or communicate with Morghur. Perhaps others.
Which ones we do, if any, will be decided next time. Next update should just be talking.
The Nemesis Crown didn't do what Alaric wanted, that was Chaos hijacking the rune because he put it on Warpstone, they are the ones that gave it it's really impressive and really evil properties.
By the same token, the problem with stabilizing Morghur's mind is Chaos will pull against you with all their might, because Morghur is not replaceable.
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Investigate the skulls dotting the landscape, investigate the landscape for rune magic or magic in general, seek the other tribes Yusak, Kvellige, Kul, and Khazag for info.
Their are many ways we can investigate to seek info on what happened here.
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I suggested it a while ago before the vote opened... I will suggest presenting ourselves as Loremasters of K8P and maybe even some of our achievements though, if "Morghur" lets the Dwarf enter here it could give us free passage
the thing pretending to be Morghur isn't hostile, we can probably just go poke at it
tapkomet
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We can't be sure of that. It might be non-hostile to just Dum Dwarfs, for example. Or just Dwarfs. Or even just Borek in particular.
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Do you want the talking next update to have Mathilde say "We need to learn more" and wait for other people to suggest ways of gaining information, or to have her say "We need to learn more, so we should investigate the skulls dotting the landscape, investigate the landscape for rune magic or magic in general, seek the other tribes Yusak, Kvellige, Kul, and Khazag for info"
Because voting for "Investigate further." is the former, not the latter.
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I don't see why it would be impossible. The Horned Rat stole an entire multicultural city of humans, dwarfs (and elves?).
This is much simpler. Mutation happens, even in dwarfs.
Hell, far as we know hes been born as a bunch of different races. Dude pops up all around the world.
Morghur is a massively powerful entity (aka, demigod), who is well known for just respawning. Presumably being reborn all around the world and then mutating into his self at some point in his host's life. If anything could override the usual situations of a beastman birth, it'd be him. Restrictions which need not be as stringent in the Chaos Wastes.
I don't see how any of this follows.
One could argue that a non-insane Morghur isn't the "real" Morghur, but if it has his body, his memories, his abilities and his unique gear, the distinction is purely semantic.
I also don't see how he'd lose his powers by not being completely bonkers.
They've been trying to destroy Dum for eight thousand years.
This point doesn't change the fact that Dum is 'ard enuff to take it.
In fact, having Morghur and an army of beastmen living in a magical forest around their mountain only makes them harder to take.
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I mean Bok wasn't hostile, so far we don't have evidence this thing will be any different until met with aggression
tapkomet
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It won't just be waiting. This time around, unlike usual, Boney will present a summary of the (presumably several most popular) options, and potentially take other discussion into account. This means that even if the vote "investigate further" does not have specifics, we can expect those that the thread thought of to also be presented, in addition to what the NPCs will have to say.
We also don't have evidence that it won't be. We don't know the instructions, or the personality, of this Morghur, real or not. Presumably it is hostile to the Kurgan, for example. Is it clever enough to figure out we were with Borek and are therefore fine, or will it assume we're a Kurgan shaman and attack?
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Elves: "We really need to deal with this Morghur problem. Oh hey, a convenient waystone! I've got a wild idea. Hold my wine."
Dwarves: "Oi."
Elves: "No, no, this is a great idea, hold on. Let's just bind this bitch, and then, no more Morghur popping up everywhere!"
Dwarves: "We live here."
Elves: "That sounds like more of a 'you' problem."
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So I just want to point out that Mathilde is freaked smooth out and confused as fuck right now. She rarely ever just admits to not knowing things, at least to people she isn't super close to. Acting all knowing and mysterious is like crack to her, but here she just threw up her hands and went 'I'unno'.
Which is simultaneously distressing and hilarious.
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tapkomet
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I seriously doubt the Dum Dwarfs could just have been fighting the Kurgan out in the field for centuries with just their numbers. What would even be the point of such an illusion?
I know right. But here we are, because people are so obsessed with that being the real Morghur they are willing to invent entirely new things just to explain how that could possibly happen.
His powers come from Chaos, he has them because he was given them and if he was no longer himself they'd be taken away.
Chaos are also the ones who decide where he resurrects and wouldn't send him somewhere they'd foresee he'd become something other than himself.
The illusion, along with some extra measures such as the terrain change and faking Morghur's characteristic shudder, fools the dumb beastmen, who are very much real, to fight to defend the area around Karag Dum. The Beastmen don't dare to get close enough to 'Morghur' to realize something is wrong.
Thus making it so the Dwarves never have to spend their much diminished numbers in combat.
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I don´t think dwarfs of Karag Dum would care all that much if their hypothetical creation is careful not to kill unknown people that want to get into the karag.
One thing I have not seen brought up is that, while this is almost certainly not like any previous Morghur psychologically (ancient forces of chaos don't DO tenderness, regardless what they think they see), the chaos worshipping shamans believe it is him, so its body and effect on reality is at least close enough to the stories.
Personally I think the theory that the dwarves either invited or took advantage of Morghurs reincarnation through fuckery with the runes of Valaya and the Waystone to grow their own beastherd fits this best, as neither pact nor binding would explain Morghur acting like this.
On the subject of dwarves not birthing beastmen, I think I remember WOG along the lines of the dwarves not always drawing distinctions between tradition and biology when it comes to the question of what a dwarf is. I therefore propose that dwarves not producing beastmen is a consequence of the ritual that protects them from magic rather than inherently biological.
Fucking with an ancestor-given ritual would fit the pragmatism of Karag Dum as well as the rumored arrogance of its runemasters. If anyone knows how precisely Valayas ritual does what it does, it would be the chaos focused Dum.
Personally I think the theory that the dwarves either invited or took advantage of Morghurs reincarnation through fuckery with the runes of Valaya and the Waystone to grow their own beastherd fits this best, as neither pact nor binding would explain Morghur acting like this.
On the subject of dwarves not birthing beastmen, I think I remember WOG along the lines of the dwarves not always drawing distinctions between tradition and biology when it comes to the question of what a dwarf is. I therefore propose that dwarves not producing beastmen is a consequence of the ritual that protects them from magic rather than inherently biological.
Fucking with an ancestor-given ritual would fit the pragmatism of Karag Dum as well as the rumored arrogance of its runemasters. If anyone knows how precisely Valayas ritual does what it does, it would be the chaos focused Dum.