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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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The former Karack is using a centuries old Beastman Prince.
The Prince is not forcibly bound.
The environment around the mountain has been warped dramatically.
There are a lot of beastmen around the mountain.
Botrek was not surprised by any of this.

-Simple Conclusion: The Karack has "fallen" to Beastmen.

Speculation: the Dwarves used The Prince's reincarnation to their advantage, raising a beastman in a dwarf Karak. There are likely Dwarven Beastmen in the forest. Boney likes to play with the tenets of established canon, and Beastmen haven't had a clear focus before now. Ergo, Beastman reproduction, and culture, might not be the canon compliant that we think it is.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Sorry, I meant 'born to a dwarf'. I didn't mean to imply I thought he was a transformed dwarf.
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Ah, fair. It's just an explanation that more easily explains his presence here than him wandering thousands of miles north from where he was last spotted, and then somehow captured. I find it hard to believe that an adult Cor-Dum could be resocialized as an adult somehow, while presumably enslaved via Runes.


Valarauko said:
The bottom line is that no matter precisely what is going on here, whatever the answer is, it would be entirely unacceptable to even the most radical of the Karaz Ankor. We know enough. Learning more only satisfies our our personal curiousity; it means the response of the Karaz Ankor will be that much worse. We're better off not knowing.
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I feel our loyalty is to K8P, not the Ankor as a whole. There could be very important lessons to be learned here, and additional knowledge isn't likely to make things look less sketchy, unless you're implying we ought to convince everyone to lie about what we just witnessed? Because, again, Cor-Dum is not a hugger. There will be questions and implications from witness testimony.


picklepikkl said:
It's not a real Herdstone.
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I am aware, but the mountain not literally being a giant Herdstone does not preclude the possibility of Herdstone-esque properties being in play.

Though, we don't even need a beacon to explain it given his nature.

They set out from thousands of miles away to stand in his presence, drawn to him by urges they do not question; a tainted pilgrimage that often destroys them.
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RE: Beastmen are drawn to his presence.
 
Ok so the theory that the elves helped Dum trap and contain Cor Dum has some validation to me. Because having Chaos constantly fight each other is something that elves would come up with. Think about it while dwarves would find it repulsive elves would gladly see the lesser animals fight each other than have to deal with it. Now we know the wood elves would do this because you can not truly kill Cor Dum but you can contain demons for a while. So if Cor Dum is contained in the far north for centuries that is something that would greatly help since he is just reborn after he dies. Also they are the only ones who have extensive experience with space and time warping.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I'm not actually X'ing this in yet, because even if it's correct, I'm not sure that sharing this theory is really a good idea? At worst it might end with the dwarves declaring another grudge against Ulthuan.
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They won't declare grudge over theory. It just feels bit too involved imho. As in, it is very detailed, but we don't really know enough to justify it, especially when the supposition of how is not necessary yet. As is, we know something like Morghur is there, the specifics of "Elves did it" are not really necessary (and are kind of like conjuring too much out of thin air) for what we need to do with this information. (But its actually pretty decent shot at how the Dum dwarfs would even enslave Morghur in the first place).

Like, functionally, this is not any different from "Morghur is enslaved in service to Dum Dawi" option, which we can further try to investigate and find out how this came to be, and from this formulate theory of "elves did it", or leg it. But going further than that is stretching the detective abilities a lot.
 
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So I just woke up and read the update so I'm a little behind everyone else but What the fuck is happening!

Now with that out of my system I'll vote for this.
[X] THEORY: The Dwarfs have control over Cor-Dum and is likely being controlled by Karak Dum's King or Leader, They are doing this to protect Dum and keep Chaos from getting hold of it, there is an ongoing siege to break this defense with a nearby source providing power to the desert to weaken the defenders.
[X] ACTION: Look for the source of the desert.
 
I'm 100% lost and not smart enough to come up with any good ideas. This thread will have to carry this vote, I believe in the collective.
 
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.

Consolidating around the action that keeps Mathilde from giving up the moment things aren't obvious and easy.
 
to be honest none of the 'theories' we've proposed have any real evidence backing them we've things that rule out all of them to some degree, there's something going on here that isn't explained by any of them but Borek didn't believe that Karak Dum was saveable or that they could be forgiven?

Like what do people think might explain this and change things, because for what we find to matter it has to change the calculus enough that leaving isn't what we should do any way and frankly I don't think there's anything we can learn that would change that?
 
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Mathilde knows that Ranald is watching, and there's a good chance that our Kislevite friend is being watched by the Ancient Widow - so while I've got a lot more that I want to put into this, given as no-one else has said it I'm going to get this action out there first:

[X] Action: Pray for guidance. In this realm reality is more malleable, perhaps our gods will be able to reach us more easily here.
 
Okay. We're looking at the first line of defense for Karak Dum.

Now, what THAT means I don't fucking know.

*CONFUSED SCREAMING*
 
Redshirt Army said:
[ ] Theory: Karag Dum warned the Karaz Ankor of the coming of Chaos for a long time prior to the great incursion, but were rebuffed. Perhaps instead of simply accepting it, they sought help from other polities outside the Karaz Ankor - the elves. This forest is too regular and unmutated to be the work of Chaos, and I doubt that it's runework. I suspect that Karag Dum made a deal with the elves to help seal and bind Cor-Dum, keeping him from simply being reborn and continuing to plague the world, in exchange for the elves giving assistance against the coming tide. As the situation grew more desperate, Dum unleashed their sealed evil, puppeting or controlling it through radical runework of some kind.
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I think this bit of the theory is wrong. Morghur's display of affection towards Borek looked beyond simple slavery. If I had to guess, one of Borek's relatives, a member of the royal family, offered themselves up to host Morghur's spirit, someone who knew Borek and who Borek knew in turn. Or perhaps the elves bound Morghur's spirit to the royal family so the next child born would be Morghur, who through artifice, magic, nurture, or some combination of the three was redeemed rather than enslaved.
 
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I don't think the How is currently as important as determining What the fuck are we seeing. We don't have enough Info for How. Just What.
 
BoneyM said:
I leave judging how perfect and immaculate it may be as an exercise for the reader.
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I see braids!

Braided beard means dwarf. No two ways about it.

Omegahugger's right, this person is obviously a dwarf. My guess (assuming Borek is King/in line to be king) is that this boy is Borek's son or nephew.

Tbh, it's a bit disappointing that you'd confirm it for us before the vote was even closed, BoneyM. Sad times.
 
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Chopak said:
I disagree. One of our main objectives was finding out what happened to Karak Dum. Do you know what happened? I don't.
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They engaged in practices that the Karaz Ankor will view as utterly antithetical to stay alive and have succeeded, Borek think what they've done would require repayment in death. Mission accomplished. We learned the fate of Karak Dum.
 
The thing with Morghur is that he is incredible insane, with the one common thread being loving having a scrap with Athel Loren, right?

He is killed and reborn over and over again. Presumably, he soon goes mad as a hat after being born/growing to a certain point.

Forget enslaving him, a runic item to allow the reborn Morghur to simply not go crazy with what's probably millenia of accumulated memories sounds way, way more plausible. And not nearly as heretical.

I imagine "Morghur" is from the royal line of Karag Dum, given the affection with Borek.

Hell, do we know the circunstances that led to Borek being the one to leave Dum? If Morghur was killed right before the Great Coming of Chaos and reborn as his sister or something, that'd make it plausible for him to not be surprised when The Corruptor welcomes him home.

Maybe the reason he left with a bag of diamonds was to seek help for what to do with his unwillingly corrupted kin, but then an Everchosen showed up and everything went tits up?

Guys, is the Ranaldian Soul Theft foreshadowing for this?

@edit: Aaaand @Omegahugger just posted almost the same thing twenty pages ago.
 
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