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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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B_omega said:
So likely this is not the real deal, but some trickery and dwarves are basically hiding behind an image of their enemy to ensure safety of themselves. And i think this is what Borek finda shamefull.
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That would not even come close to explaining the level of shame that he's been radiating. It also wouldn't explain why the local tribes haven't seen through this yet, somehow. They regularly make pilgrimage here to test themselves against Cor-Dum. That's not an illusion, that's a guard dog that's tearing through potentially hundreds or thousands of people every year, for the last century. An illusion does not fit any of the information we've received from the Tribes.
 
Redshirt Army said:
While "the dwarves of Dum have captured and bound Cor-Dum" does seem fitting, it does not seem to be sufficient to explain everything we've seen here. And I strongly suspect Athel Loren is involved somehow.

• Athel Loren are the ancestral foes of Cor-Dum, and have spent centuries trying to put him down permanently.
• We know that prior to the great Chaos Incursion, the high elves were in hot pursuit of Cor-Dum across the old world - and that Finubar, who was in charge at the time, is far more open to cooperation with the dwarves than the usual.

I can imagine a sequence of events where Karag Dum agreed to help the wood and high elves seal away Cor-Dum, or something of the like, only to bust out their pet sealed evil in a can as their final contingency when it looked like all other options had failed.

The shame of Dum would thus be threefold - that they had worked with the elves to bind a respawning chaos puppet, that they hid this from the rest of the Karaz Ankor, and that they resorted to actively deploying their bound evil to keep themselves alive.

I suspect that the forest we're seeing was created through wood elf magic, either through direct cooperation with said wood elves or through the runemasters redirecting wood elf magic that had previously been used to seal Cor-Dum.
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The woods may be a result of the Asur. The Everqueen and possibly Avelornians as a whole are pretty much Eonir.
 
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Seriously though, how is this forest here? It's not natural - this isn't the right climate for it and it didn't exist 200 years ago - but it also looks like a standard Empire forest instead of the kind of twisting nightmare I'd expect if it was made with Morghur's power.

If it's not wood elves, then what is it?
 
Redshirt Army said:
Depends on how thorough the enslaving is. For all we know there's a dwarf somewhere in that mountain operating the Cor-Dum body remotely.
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Borek still wouldn't want to go near enough to the creature itself to be touched by it with affection, and doing so would be considered wrong by the controller. Same reason why most people wouldn't hug a nuclear warhead if it was their country's nuclear warhead and perfectly safe.
Redshirt Army said:
Seriously though, how is this forest here? It's not natural - this isn't the right climate for it and it didn't exist 200 years ago - but it also looks like a standard Empire forest instead of the kind of twisting nightmare I'd expect if it was made with Morghur's power.

If it's not wood elves, then what is it?
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Hard to say, but I'm calling it for the Runemasters. It might even just be an illusion beyond Mathilde's capacity to discern, carried out with crazy radical runesmithing skills no dwarf in the Karaz Ankor remembers or would ever attempt to create.
 
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Right now is when having a slayer, even one, would be incredibly useful. One slayer to just charge in, ask, and maybe or maybe not make it out alive.
 
Rafin said:
Yeah. Okay. I'm tossing my hands up.

Like, literally. Now my sister is asking me why I'm acting so weird and I am at a complete loss for words of how to explain it, seeing how she doesn't know the concepts of Quests or Warhammer.

Well played, BoneyM. Well played.

[X] Convert to Chaos, go back to the Dolgan and ask to be educated in their ways.
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Ahhh, the unexpected "Try it and find out" approach. Interesting choice. :V
 
Redshirt Army said:
Seriously though, how is this forest here? It's not natural - this isn't the right climate for it and it didn't exist 200 years ago - but it also looks like a standard Empire forest instead of the kind of twisting nightmare I'd expect if it was made with Morghur's power.

If it's not wood elves, then what is it?
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The herdstone, it was placed to provide a better environment for the Beastmen so they can better protect Dum and the Waystone within.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
So what if being bound to a dhar-less waystone helped socialise and de-monsterfy him? He doesn't need to have been born a dwarf.
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People aren't arguing he was born as a literal Dwarf. They're arguing he may have been born to a Dwarfen mother. That's where many Beastmen come from - they're mutant babies, and sometimes livestock. The implication is that instead of killing it when it was born, they did something else.

Redshirt Army said:
If it's not wood elves, then what is it?
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The ambient effect of the Waystone being modified into a less-evil Herdstone to attract cannon fodder, that the hold's tame Cor-Dum can command by virtue of being 12 stories tall and made of radiation.
 
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We can't risk our life or capacity to lead without dooming the expedition. It's our duty to get them back home. There are no dwarfs here to save.

[X] ACTION: Turn back
 
Redshirt Army said:
Seriously though, how is this forest here? It's not natural - this isn't the right climate for it and it didn't exist 200 years ago - but it also looks like a standard Empire forest instead of the kind of twisting nightmare I'd expect if it was made with Morghur's power.

If it's not wood elves, then what is it?
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I wouldn't be surprised if waystones could be turned towards some minor geomancy.

Actually, now that I think of it, creating the forest/desert would have briefly disrupted the flow, leaving Vlag vulnerable to attack. When the flow restarted because Dum had finished their landscaping, a demon/god could have snapped it up and used it to power the ritual that kept Vlag trapped in the realm of chaos.
 
HungryHamadryad said:
People aren't arguing he was born as a literal Dwarf. They're arguing he may have been born to a Dwarfen mother. That's where many Beastmen come from - they're mutant babies, and sometimes livestock. The implication is that instead of killing it when it was born, they did something else.
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And those people were reminded that that is not how Dwarves work, and any amount of magic enough to mutate a baby catching them unprotected would turn them into a statue instead.
 
HungryHamadryad said:
People aren't arguing he was born as a literal Dwarf. They're arguing he may have been born to a Dwarfen mother. That's where many Beastmen come from - they're mutant babies, and sometimes livestock. The implication is that instead of killing it when it was born, they did something else.
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Sorry, I meant 'born to a dwarf'. I didn't mean to imply I thought he was a transformed dwarf.
 
Hmm.

High-Elf/Dum collaboration...

What would Dum have gotten out of it? The High Elves would be happy to have a semi-permanent solution to Morghur, but...

Wait. So Dum warned the rest of the Karaz Ankor about the incoming Chaos incursion for a long time, and got no support. Would they have just rolled over and accepted it? Or would they have sought aid from other polities?

And we know that the High Elves are always willing to help fight Chaos. In exchange for providing their runework to help contain Morghur, Karag Dum made a deal with Ulthuan that saw them receive a bunch of magical aid to help weather Chaos?

Andres110 said:
The finer points of canon matter when Boney says explicitly to ignore them entirely, such as with 4e material.
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The Everqueen has always been a "forests and greenery" type in every edition.
 
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The bottom line is that no matter precisely what is going on here, whatever the answer is, it would be entirely unacceptable to even the most radical of the Karaz Ankor. We know enough. Learning more only satisfies our our personal curiousity; it means the response of the Karaz Ankor will be that much worse. We're better off not knowing.
 
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