Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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i did not need to know that
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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There's zero way the Colleges are going to be alienated by dismissing a low ranking member, no matter how insultingly it's done. Actually, I suspect that Roswita's attitude when she first appeared is probably better than most of the people they have to work for anyway, considering the most wide-spread opinion on the Colleges is "they were a mistake, scrap the articles and burn them all".
Realms of Sorcery puts the Colleges as major political power and notes that plenty of nobles have a court wizard. Thyrus Goremann (the Supreme Patriarch before Gelt) did try to get the Colleges to have an Elector vote (or will try? will have tried?). That didn't go anywhere because the Sigmarites and most Electors other than Reikland were opposed but the very fact that the Colleges could raise the question of having a vote and have at least 2 existing ECs want to move forward with it says a lot about their political power.
Wizards aren't popular but they are feared and respected which rarely leads to rudeness.
On the other hand we were a journeyman and she was an elector count. If she had said that to a Lord Magister or a well connected Magister than yeah I could see the colleges being... less than eager to help her in the future.
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And even so LM Reiner Starke is not quite pleased with Roswita.
People have noticed how she dismissed us and how we responded to that.
Mostly we decided to endure it, because harming her would've harmed Stirland.
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That does not contradict from the popular opinion of wizards being "burn them all".
Colleges are powerful, and have the ear of other powerful factions, but that does not make them popular, even among the powerful.
But they are too powerful (and not just politically), and too useful, to be gotten rid of, and most in power know it.
deathofrats0808
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That's three decades in the future, with a very sympathetic Emperor. And IIRC, the only person who backed the Goremann's bid was Franz, who did it because Goremann was a reliable political ally. Which was also why everyone else voted against it.
That's going to severely depend upon the people in question.The Colleges have relatively limited ability to strike out at people who are rude to them. They can cut them off from College services, but that doesn't apply to everyone. Roswita is an Elector Count, the College are required to help her if she asks, no matter how rude she is to them.
Plus, again, Mathilde was a Journeywoman. Being slightly rude to her is not going to piss off the Greys, let alone the Colleges as a whole. The worst result that could have come out of that was Mathilde taking action on her own, which there was a reason to suspect she wouldn't (Abelhelm had IIRC, mentioned his councillors to Roswita, so there's a trusted source saying Mathilde wouldn't be as petty as to damage the Province).
The Colleges are a bureaucratic institution, they don't have to formally say they are cutting someone out to effectively do so. Just put her at the back of the queue for everything. The other elector counts are not going to complain tool loudly since it gives them more help. Roswita was also new so she had no support among the other electors and she was a random witch hunter so no friends at court. Annoying the Colleges by being rude in those circumstances was a serious misstep which was effectively mitigated by Mathilde being loyal to her father's memory.
Bury them and wish them better luck in the next life.
Presumably, from either their own plundering in the Sea of Dread or from Ogres and Orcs that raid the southern silk road.
There's a band of skink mercenaries that sell their services in the Old World and demand payment in the form of plaques plundered from the New World.
A lot of that was on the back of Karl Franz and Thyrus Gormann working together for many years and with a great deal of mutual respect, which gave the Colleges a lot of influence and spurred KF to make the attempt. In the current day, Luitpold and Dragomas aren't especially close and Dragomas doesn't play politics anywhere near as much or as well as Gormann and Gelt do/did/will/will have done.
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@BoneyM, I think you replied to the wrong person here...
Sure did, thanks for pointing it out.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Except there are exactly 10 Elector Counts in the world (15 Electors total, 10 are Counts) so that's not a very long queue, even assuming every Elector is asking for help at once, which there's no guarantee for. Plus they could all be asking for different Colleges, which means there might not be any queue at all. And again, Mathilde was a Journeywoman. She wasn't important enough to be worth squaring off against an Elector Count for.
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@BoneyM
How well known is Mathilde in the Empire or the upper echelons of the leadership specifically the elector counts and the Arch lectors of Sigmar, curious to know what their thoughts are about Mathildes efforts with regards to K8P and such, although I guess asking that might be requesting you pull back the QM screen on something that could be story important in the future so I understand if you don't want to say.
How well known is Mathilde in the Empire or the upper echelons of the leadership specifically the elector counts and the Arch lectors of Sigmar, curious to know what their thoughts are about Mathildes efforts with regards to K8P and such, although I guess asking that might be requesting you pull back the QM screen on something that could be story important in the future so I understand if you don't want to say.
- Remember all the times we asked to fob off this or that responsibility to the Grey Colleges, whether it is the EIC as a whole, spy network etc... Everyone always needs more wizards everywhere. That is one of the reasons why a new-made Journeywoman ended up as the Councilor of Stirland. The province is already disfavored by the empire, just knock it down a peg or two and you get no more wizards, as opposed to barely any.
- Well it depends on how much they are anticipating her surviving as Elector Countess, maybe there are people in the Colleges or with connections to the Colleges which would prefer another dynasty in charge of Stirland. Even without any particular College disfavor Roswita would have been dead in a matter of years had it not been for Mathilde's intervention
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If they pay special attention to Dwarven matters or Sylvania, they'd probably know her name. Otherwise they might have heard of her at some point, but if they did they probably didn't find it relevant enough to remember.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Except of course, that even though the Colleges are always needed, they're not always needed by the Electors, who jump ahead of everyone else by virtue of the fact that the Colleges are required to work for them, unlike everybody else. And Stirland had exactly one wizard working for them for a whole bunch of time, and seemed fine. I suspect this is because the 'wizards are always in short supply' is caused by them being busy following their own missions, rather than working for people. For instance, Regimand was busy dealing with a mess of conspiracies while Mathilde was in Stirland, but he wasn't actually working for anyone in particular.
Sure, but then that's just using Mathilde as an excuse, and really they want her dead anyway for political or personal reasons, which means they would have found an excuse to do it anyway, no matter how polite she was.
You can't use Mathilde saving Roswita's life as an argument for not being rude, considering neither of them knew that would happen. And it wasn't a magical skill that saved her.
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It only ("only") takes a Great Deed to have such a question brought up at an Elector Meet. Much more would be required to have such a dilution of existing Elector powers have a chance of passing... but it's something even we could propose.
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What, high eschelons care that litle about Waaaagh and Peace that it doesn't even blip?
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They haven't seen results from it yet.
Omegahugger
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How many people actually read the name of the authors on the papers?
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[x] Journeywoman Alexandra Kohler
[x] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[x] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[x] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[x] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[x] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[x] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[x] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[x] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
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Why would non-Wizards care about a lecture on magical theory? If that information ends up swinging a major battle they might, but even then they'd probably give the credit to whoever the Wizard was that actually did it.