Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think you underestimate how unpredictable magic is. Let's assume we are fighting against a Lord of Change, a creature of supreme puissance in magic, 35 Learning and another +20 for just being what it is. Well 1d100+55 can still roll 60 on a bad toss of the dice an 1d100+28 can still roll 120 on a particularly good one.
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I mean, some of the canon ulgu marks that can be obtained a wizards mostly human life span makes it impossible to remember their face.
I can totally see Ulgu dragons picking up "I don't exist" fields
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He might plausibly do it to steal magic off of the Karaz Ankor.
It might explain why he didn't mention to anyone that Dum was still sending magic to here, and thus its waystones were not destroyed, like the forces of chaos usually prefer to do to waystones that they capture.
He'd avoid mentioning it to avoid questions about what all that magic pooling uselessly there should be doing to the environment, when in actuality Teclis would have set it up to feed into the conventional Waystone network and through that to Ulthuan in a subtle way.
It's not even necessarily unjustifiable, he knew at the time that the dwarves couldn't launch another military expedition to relieve Dum, but might have thought they would ASAP regardless of what he did, or might have thought that Dum would fall before any force could possibly be raised to relieve it, he might have been facing the problem that to try to reconnect the Dum feed to the Karaz Ankor would have required repurposing part of the Ulthuan-feeding network(which obviously wasn't an option), Ulthuan probably doesn't remember what the dwarves are using the energy for, was at the time engaged in bitter warfare with the Dark Elves and Nurglites, and may still have a pressing need for the energy.
Unfortunately we can't ignore the possibility that the energy is feeding a chaos ritual, so if this was his mess, getting cut off is just what you get for playing silly buggers.
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[x] Act casual
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Mindhole is Ulgu baby magic. A hypothetical Ulgu dragon has plenty of options for erasing evidence of it's existence even after the fact.
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And if they're "sending some sort of force to eliminate any possible threat" then the ritual is not in fact "playing out." There's basically an argument that's going "this magic is has a significant chance of being used on US if we don't do something about it" and I have specifically been disputing that. Whoever's been at this for twohundred years already HAS something they intend to be doing with that magic, and it is more important than we are. As I see, it the ONLY way this magic is getting used on us is if we ARE doing something about it.
(And yeah as far as Ulgu dragons go, there's no record of such a thing existing but our "model" at least suggests such a thing maybe would exist, and after all Ulgu dragons' very nature would be working against any record of such a thing existing even if they did exist.)
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Who knows how many times we've met the Ulgu dragon?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Really? Because this:
Seems to imply that you think they'll be doing absolutely nothing to us, not just refraining from using the massive amounts of magic. I can buy that they won't try to magic us away. You have a fair point that it's got a designated purpose and they probably wouldn't want to waste it. But that in no way precludes them from sending an army at us, or doing something else. We're in the area, we're a clear threat—sure, we may not be geographical level, but all we'd have to do is disrupt the ritual and we've got enough forces for that unless they've got an entire horde guarding them—and came up here with some important purpose. Only an idiot or an ally/neutral party would leave a group like us be.
And that has worked on the elves all the way from prehistory to now, it has worked on dwarfs, Golden Age dwarfs too?
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[X] Act normal
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I don't know whether to love you for introducing me to the first 4.5 chapters of that story, or despise you for doing the same with that nihilistic abomination of an ending.
.....Wait, this wasn't @Omegahugger?
*coughs* dragon *coughs* lady magister
Waaagh Birdmuncha would like a word with you.
Why does everyone voting for Act Normal think we can surprise whatever it is? If it's watching, we were made the moment Mathilde asked Snorri about magic and stone.
[X] Stand your ground
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Yeah, rereading my guesswork here, I'm depressingly convinced that this was Teclis who set this up. Boney is too addicted to divided loyalties for this to be anything as innocent as a Daemon and to leave us without a moral conundrum: are we more loyal to the dwarves who've been wronged for two centuries thinking that their civilization was doomed in the next storm of magic, or are we more loyal to the preservation of the forces of Order, who might fight eachother over this if it gets out.
Unfortunately, once again, we can't ignore it, because it could be a Daemon charging something up.
PS, also I doubt you could hide that many centuries of magic in one place, meaning it's either being siphoned somewhere else or used continuously, and it needs to have started doing so around the time of the great war against chaos.
It hypothetically could if the forgettability/misinterpret them as another dragon effect is common to all of the type of dragons and is cast on themselves rather than external targets, as we've just seen with this mountain. Or as happened to that one Grey Magister's age.
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[X] Stand your ground
This whole sudden that feels pretty awkward narratively, but this option seems best with all the rapid responders Mathilde added to the expedition.
This whole sudden that feels pretty awkward narratively, but this option seems best with all the rapid responders Mathilde added to the expedition.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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...Wait, wasn't there that one time dwarves declares a Grudge on a mountain? Because that seems like something you wouldn't do to a not-for.
OK what about the Elven gods? The Slaan that taught the elves magic? The Gods of Nehekara that walked among their people, the Ancestor Gods of the dwarfs with their absurd residence to magic, none of these happened to mention the flying greed-fueled memetic hazards to their disciples?
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[X] Stand your ground
1)The expedition is only a mile away.
That puts it well within effector radius of any effect that has been accumulating wardstone network magic for almost two hundred years.
Neither Acting Normal nor Running Like Hell makes the Expedition any more safe in this scenario. But they do reduce Mathilde's ability to observe whats happening and possibly interrupt it.
2) The Ancient cleared the pass.
If there's a sapient operator behind this, that much an expenditure of magic on its doorstep would have drawn attention and instigated contingencies. And there's no guarantee that something with the magical and deception skills to fool Teclis and his disciples, and avoid attention from dwarven expeditions to Vlag which may well have included runesmiths, will now fall for Mathilde attempting to act normal.
Especially since Mathilde would have to convince all the Rangers to follow her back and hope their poker faces are as good as hers.
3) Initiative.
This is a situation where the opposition has all the advantages of advance preparation.
Initiative is the only edge we have here.
[X] Stand your ground
1)The expedition is only a mile away.
That puts it well within effector radius of any effect that has been accumulating wardstone network magic for almost two hundred years.
Neither Acting Normal nor Running Like Hell makes the Expedition any more safe in this scenario. But they do reduce Mathilde's ability to observe whats happening and possibly interrupt it.
2) The Ancient cleared the pass.
If there's a sapient operator behind this, that much an expenditure of magic on its doorstep would have drawn attention and instigated contingencies. And there's no guarantee that something with the magical and deception skills to fool Teclis and his disciples, and avoid attention from dwarven expeditions to Vlag which may well have included runesmiths, will now fall for Mathilde attempting to act normal.
Especially since Mathilde would have to convince all the Rangers to follow her back and hope their poker faces are as good as hers.
3) Initiative.
This is a situation where the opposition has all the advantages of advance preparation.
Initiative is the only edge we have here.
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[X] Act normal
Now 2 Slaan working together I could see doing this easily, but just 5 Skaven? Seems like a stretch.
Now 2 Slaan working together I could see doing this easily, but just 5 Skaven? Seems like a stretch.
Omegahugger
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[X] Stand your ground
You don't run from enough magic to blow up a mountain, your feet won't carry you far enough.
Also, if we manage to take charge of the evil magic vortex, we could channel it into a huge spell that brings the probably-dead Dawi of Karak Vlag back to life!
You don't run from enough magic to blow up a mountain, your feet won't carry you far enough.
Also, if we manage to take charge of the evil magic vortex, we could channel it into a huge spell that brings the probably-dead Dawi of Karak Vlag back to life!
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They mostly don't communicate, their writings and teachings have often been lost to time, and the magic could still affect everyone around them, or succeeding those who were supposed to be passing on the information.
EdIt okay, I need to get off this site, it's the middle of the night and I still have work to do.
This is a case where the option which have the best chance of sucess to disturb the ritual is to send a message to Teclis-sempai and coming back with him, all the Runelords and Lord Magiters.
So I will take the option which maybe would not alert our foe we are on him/it.
[x] Act normal
So I will take the option which maybe would not alert our foe we are on him/it.
[x] Act normal
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[X] Stand your ground
You are arguing that an Ancestor say carved 'there are ulgu dragons watch the hell out' and the dwarfs somehow forgot it, or misplaced the writing or the Ulgu dragons were so forgettable that said dwarfs were not even able to read the instructions. That is way past believable to me.
We don't even know where Teclis is and whatever he is doing may well be more important than our whole expedition and everyone in it.
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We're dealing with an entity that one-shot a dwarf karak and has been accumulating or using Waystone magic for over a hundred years. This is extremely much the kind of threat that Teclis ought to be dealing with himself.