Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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Longer to learn to use one to dwarf standards.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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Longer to learn to use one to dwarf standards.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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I'm pretty sure that high-class dwarven crossbows are about as good as high-class dwarven guns. At least, the dwarves think so.
So going for guns would be a sidegrade, not an upgrade.
- Location
- Belgrade, Serbia
Yes, but doing so required knowledge of Shyish that we would not normally have without our big secret.
Perhaps we have observed enough of wind of metal and life to be able to do something with them, but others are unlikely.
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- Australia
fictionfan, there is a massive difference between what you can achieve with several decades of practice with a crossbow versus a few months of practice with a gun. There is not a single possibility that it'd be worth throwing away that sheer amount of skill and experience for whatever advantages a handgun has over a crossbow.
It's an easy argument to make that killing the servants of Chaos that corrupt the wilds is a higher theological priority than sticking to leather.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If a wizard uses dhar in some desperate situation do you think that we could dye their hair orange and hope they die before the end of the expedition?
If they do it once in extremis and don't run from the consequences it's not necessarily a death sentence, otherwise it'd be pushing everyone that makes a mistake into going full Black Magister. Mathilde's responsibility in that scenario would be to bring them back to the Colleges to be judged.
[X] Lead the Wizards, Knightly Orders, and Asarnil
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- Belgrade, Serbia
[X] Lead the Wizards, Knightly Orders, and Asarnil
[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
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In my head, their armour is made of catbird feathers.
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- Actually pretty lost
[x] Lead the Wizards, Knightly Orders, and Asarnil
[x] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
[x] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
- Location
- Alaska
[X] Lead only the Wizards
Between herself and the whole pile of wizards, representing six of the other colleges, this seems like it might be one of the biggest concentrations of spell power in history. So I worry that dividing her attention would end badly even if one of the wizards wasn't potentially a face eating monster from hell , and even if she wasn't walking into a place where magic and the laws of physics might start to behave in new and exciting ways.
Between herself and the whole pile of wizards, representing six of the other colleges, this seems like it might be one of the biggest concentrations of spell power in history. So I worry that dividing her attention would end badly even if one of the wizards wasn't potentially a face eating monster from hell , and even if she wasn't walking into a place where magic and the laws of physics might start to behave in new and exciting ways.
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Except for the last war against Chaos. Or the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels. Or what has been happening in Sylvania after we shut down the College of Necromancy. Or pretty much any major war involving Elves. Or Nagash on a warpath. Or a Slann doing anything ever.
Also, it's actually 7 colleges that are being represented here.
People are scared of responsibility and having to make decisions.
NexusEye
Aspiring God
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I'm on the pro Knightly Order side but I think you're being unfair here, we already have commanding the Wizards and the Ice Witch's fetch quest on our plate on top of using Rite of Way to help the expedition across difficult terrain. Many people are concerned that if we take on more duties Mathilde may be unable to give those duties the attention they require as well as diverting attention from our current responsibilities.
In addition to that is the fact that Boney has been adamant that our choices cannot increase the amount of words written, only what those words are about. Every word Boney writes about the Knights is a word not about something else, and if people would rather vote for something other than Knights to ensure the the Wizards or Asarnil get more screentime then that's a perfectly valid choice.
I'm not really interested in leading them, they have perfectly good leaders who can do their jobs. There is nothing in the leading of monstrous cavalry that requires Mathilde's skills. By contrast the wizards need us to keep them out of trouble and the elf is a Calandorian dragonlord could probably use a buffer when interacting with the cankerous dwarfs.
As someone who voted for all the leading, I don't think that's fair. It's more like a decision between General Weber and Special Agent Weber. Both are cool and nice to see.
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We established earlier that ulthuan dragons are a type of cat. I further assert that winter wolves look and act like gigantic huskies.
FlyingScanian
Tea Addict
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Have you considered that people can have different opinions than you without being [redacted]?
Thank you for describing it better than I could.
I am in fact currently trying to figure which of those I would prefer to read about.
Most of the wizards are only capable of sub-BM spells. There's a lot of wizards but the overall magical oomph isn't anything special by the standards of a major campaign.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The thing is we're not deciding between General Weber and Special agent Weber, that's a misunderstanding of the situation or rather a misframing. We're deciding on a lot more than that and those particular options and routes are not remotely mutually exclusive. A smart leader ensures that their presence or lack there of on a short term basis can be worked around which is what we would need to engage in our special agent shenanigans Mathilde with her martial skill and stats should have no problem doing that.
What were deciding here is who is essentially going to be directly given a voice at the decision making table or rather whose voice will be used to do that.
Asarnils thoughts can still be relayed to the decision making table, the same for the knights and the wizards, what it means is that all of those things are filtered by Mathilde before being relayed onwards yes we would have responsibility for those groups on the expedition if we take on all of them but like so what.
Taking the leadership for all three groups invests a lot more control over the expedition in Mathildes hands which given we know Borek might you know be a touch suicidal is pretty important. I don't think it's cowardly to not take full leadership here but it is a mistake, it drastically limits our options with regards to control of the expedition and means a lot of future scenarios and possibilities become more fraught in the future, and the only real benefit is that we'd essentially have less responsibility and maybe less time spent in martial management but a good chunk of that can be delegated any way.
I disagree whole heartedly, we have three battle magic capable wizards on this expedition and whilst the wizard to normal human density is pretty high it's not even close to that large of a concentration of spell power. The Sylvania campaign happening right now has drastically more fire power given the majority of the empires battle wizards are engaged in it. There's a decent chunk of magical firepower here but that's really it. I also think you're underestimating or rather overestimating the task of leading that many wizards.
What were deciding here is who is essentially going to be directly given a voice at the decision making table or rather whose voice will be used to do that.
Asarnils thoughts can still be relayed to the decision making table, the same for the knights and the wizards, what it means is that all of those things are filtered by Mathilde before being relayed onwards yes we would have responsibility for those groups on the expedition if we take on all of them but like so what.
Taking the leadership for all three groups invests a lot more control over the expedition in Mathildes hands which given we know Borek might you know be a touch suicidal is pretty important. I don't think it's cowardly to not take full leadership here but it is a mistake, it drastically limits our options with regards to control of the expedition and means a lot of future scenarios and possibilities become more fraught in the future, and the only real benefit is that we'd essentially have less responsibility and maybe less time spent in martial management but a good chunk of that can be delegated any way.
I disagree whole heartedly, we have three battle magic capable wizards on this expedition and whilst the wizard to normal human density is pretty high it's not even close to that large of a concentration of spell power. The Sylvania campaign happening right now has drastically more fire power given the majority of the empires battle wizards are engaged in it. There's a decent chunk of magical firepower here but that's really it. I also think you're underestimating or rather overestimating the task of leading that many wizards.
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If we take the responsibility we have to actually commit the actions to see it through. Managing the wizards and/or Asarnil is already quite a lot of AP hell.