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[X] Lead the Wizards and Asarnil
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] Lead only the Wizards
If we're going to be off doing side missions a lot, I don't think it's a good idea to become leader of the knights. I'm more ambivalent on Asarnil. Still, I would prefer to have him be seen as a potential member of the council than have him underneath us in the org chart.
If we're going to be off doing side missions a lot, I don't think it's a good idea to become leader of the knights. I'm more ambivalent on Asarnil. Still, I would prefer to have him be seen as a potential member of the council than have him underneath us in the org chart.
Very carefully.
Even more so because "Journeyman wizard with a focus on swording as the combat option who's main magic use is a mobility spell" describes Mathilde's early years pretty well.
It's not about being a typical blue wizard. It's about not learning a single new spell, elemental or otherwise, despite Mathilde's peptalk and despite signing up for an expedition into hell.
I am disappointed by his actions, because out of whole Mathilde's encouragement of it being okay not to be a stereotypical wizard (which is definitely okay), he apparently only took away that it's okay to pretend not being a wizard at all, more or less.
It's childish and selfish.
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Yes, though we didn't, in fairness, pick up a 'Stunted Magic' trait like Hubert did.
Whatever one may think of his decision, I feel we do bear some responsibility for it, having given him our blessing to pursue whatever path he liked. Which does make complaining about it more unseemly.
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Huh, didn't see the updated sheet.
Man, Hubert really is a lot like Mathilde. He even thinks the whole foresight thing is for assholes. Though background wise, he's the opposite, from a rich family that seems to actually care for him, despite his magic.
Mopman43
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That's just Mystical Azyr, though. I don't think he was going to pick any spells about prophecy regardless.
He's presumably still interested in Elemental Azyr.
I don't see where selfish comes into play. It's his own damn life, he'll take the path he chooses.
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I mean, there's an example right in the expedition that it's entirely possible to make Magister despite only focusing on the more elemental aspects of Azyr, not to mention Johann's more general example - and that's if you even want to make Magister. Hubert will be fine.
I mean he is inherently less competent than he used to be, a good chunk of potential snuffed out. Sure he might be able to overcome it, but what Johan was born with Hubert did to himself because he enjoys Sigmar cosplay.
Given that he spends nearly as much time flying as on the ground, I honestly don't see how you get that. He's indulging his distaste for the more ephemeral side of Azyr, yes, but he is very much not abandoning magic at all. There are several more spells he doesn't know from the Celestial Magic spell-list that I can easily see him picking up which would make him quite scary on a battlefield, even excluding battlemagic: Wind Blast and Lightning Storm are the two most obvious ones.
He's abandoning subtlety, sure, but... *points to Mathilde*
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I don't see how he's less competent. He has cut himself off from some potential paths of improvement, but that has not made him any less capable than he was before. It's possible that this distaste could have been resolved in a way that allowed him future access to Mystical Azyr, but that's not certain. And it may well be that focusing his effort on the Elemental side of Azyr will result in just as much effectiveness as he would have had otherwise - there is no way to say, either way.
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He didn't learn any new elemental spell either. That's my point.
His life, of course. I wouldn't be saying this if it weren't for the expedition, or rather, that he signed up for it.
His magical abilities could save lifes, especially as it was not unlikely that he would be the only Azyr wizard attending.
On the flipside, a slight increase in his ability to wield a sword (Hubert was ready competent) is highly unlikely to be saving any lives.
Most people in the expedition, and certainly any knight, can swing around a melee weapon.
What they can't do, is cast Azyr.
Mopman43
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It's not a metaphyisical thing, it's because he has chosen not to do it. He didn't literally stunt his magic, it's reflecting that he isn't going to be putting anything into Mystical Azyr.
You mean the lord Magister who leaned practically every sub-battlemagic spell in Ulgu, that Mathilde? Sure she i not always subtle when acting, but she did not allow that to wither half her magical potential. The comparison does not hold water.
Don't get me wrong I'm glad Hubert is happy, but that happiness was bought at the price of being a lesser wizard.
Yes, agreed. My question is, where are those spells? Where is at least one of them?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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He seems to have spent his time focusing on mastering his flight spell.
There is no distinction, magic is based on belief. If he turned away from and aspect of his magic that aspect withered.
Mathilde's conclusion was that he would likely never make Magister. This conclusion is new therefore the choice he just finalized was responsible for making him overall less skilled at magic, which is to say never worthy of that promotion. You can't even say Hubert turned himself into blue Johan because he lacks the latter's drive to excel in a limited field of magic,
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My primary reasoning for voting to take responsibility for Asarnil is that he's not on the war council but the order masters are. I don't want Mathilde to be the lone non-dwarven voice in leadership, but I feel Asarnil would not be given the proper trust/respect as an elgi, despite what he brings to the table. Also, with just Assrnil and the wizards it tightens our responsibilities to the really elite/magicals, rather then great companies of cavalry.
I'm hoping the two knights serve as tempering, respectable voices for the humans. Even Mathilde, as much as she's done, still has enough distance from the baseline human volunteers that I feel they should have more normal representatives.
I'm hoping the two knights serve as tempering, respectable voices for the humans. Even Mathilde, as much as she's done, still has enough distance from the baseline human volunteers that I feel they should have more normal representatives.
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It's worth noting that characters with no magic whatsoever do routinely save lives and have battlefield impacts eclipsing those of many generic line troops in Warhammer.
It's also worth nothing that happy Hubert with stunted magic is probably safer to take to the Chaos Wastes than and unhappy one with full magic. daemons thrive on resentments and unhappiness.
He seems to have gotten the flight spell down.
For ordinary wizards mastery of a limited number of spells can be better than going broad but shallow.
Hubert can become a very competent elemental focused Battle Wizard or Magister. He's almost certainly not going to be in the LM tier but frankly it is unlikely that he was destined for that tier anyways.