Cult Creator - The Pilgrims Journey

karmaoa said:

@HeroCooky 1. Is the way this plan uses Guardians For Hire valid?

2. Also, how does In The Name Of Profit interact with success thresholds for learning actions? Can it push us past 3 successes?

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1. Yes.

2. It gives you a flat +1 success without messing with anything, even rolling a 1 would still result in 1 success, and it can push you past 3 successes.

HeroCooky said:

1. Yes.

2. It gives you a flat +1 success without messing with anything, even rolling a 1 would still result in 1 success, and it can push you past 3 successes.

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1. Great.

2. Hmm, we already get a bonus of +15 from Scientific Theory and another +12 from our Scientist. 3 Successes on Fashion Revival require us to roll 60 or higher. With our bonus being +27, we would need to roll only 33 or higher. So the possibility of reaching 4 Successes is probably better than another bonus, especially because every extra Success means 1 extra Material income every turn.
So at max, we could get 5 Materials every turn.

Yeah, I'm changing that.

Isn't it 1 success per clothing? Anyway here is my plan

[] Plan Security and Wealth
-[X][Faith] The Pilgrims Need You! - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[][Faith] Calm Tensions
-[][Diplomacy] Exfiltrate - (Church of Eden)
--[] 3FF
-[X][Martial] Construct A Hangar - (2/3 Turns Complete)
-[X][Archeology] Prepare An Expedition - (TOP-02) - (1/2 turns) - (House Mirn support: N)
-[][Learning] Lock and Key - (Use:Mechanical Lock)
-[][Learning] Secret Of The Circuit Pt.1 - (Use: Rusted Motherboard) (0/4 Successes)
--[] 6FF
-[X][Tree] Blacksmiths Abode - (Basic) - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Tree] A Farm For Starters - (Fertile Farmland) - (Black Root) - (1/3 Turns Complete)
-[] Too Much To Do - Improved Waterwheels For Jewel Mine (-13 materials)
-[] Too Much To Do - Raid The Workshop
-[] Merchants - (All Are Free Actions)
--[] Buying Goods In Bulk - (Hygenic Living - Expanded)
--[]Selling Artifacts - (Decorative Glass, Decorative Urn, Toy Weapon, Embroidered Tapestry, Ninja Doll, Silverware, High-Grade Alloys, Glass-Violin, Assorted Plastics, Torture Instruments )(+ 6.70 Materials)
-[X] The Union Of Herbalists - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Study Sessions - (-2.34 Materials) - (5/8 Turns Complete)
-[] Stupendously Scholastic Scholars of Science - (1 Free Action)
--[] Because of SCIENCE! - Secret Of The Circuit Pt.1 (-4 materials)


We got a bunch of lost tech, let's improve our security to ensure nobody takes them. Downside of this plan is that it risks angering the Forge-Clan for taking too much from the workshop

[] Plan Security and Wealth But Less Greedy
-[X][Faith] The Pilgrims Need You! - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[][Faith] Calm Tensions
-[][Diplomacy] Exfiltrate - (Church of Eden)
--[] 3FF
-[X][Martial] Construct A Hangar - (2/3 Turns Complete)
-[X][Archeology] Prepare An Expedition - (TOP-02) - (1/2 turns) - (House Mirn support: N)
-[][Learning] Lock and Key - (Use:Mechanical Lock)
-[][Learning] Secret Of The Circuit Pt.1 - (Use: Rusted Motherboard) (0/4 Successes)
--[] 6FF
-[X][Tree] Blacksmiths Abode - (Basic) - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Tree] A Farm For Starters - (Fertile Farmland) - (Black Root) - (1/3 Turns Complete)
-[] Too Much To Do - Improved Waterwheels For Jewel Mine (-13 materials)
-[] Too Much To Do - Improved Waterwheels For Silver Mine (-13 materials)
-[] Merchants - (All Are Free Actions)
--[] A Small Loan
--[] Buying Goods In Bulk - (Hygenic Living - Expanded)
--[]Selling Artifacts - (Decorative Glass, Decorative Urn, Toy Weapon, Embroidered Tapestry, Ninja Doll, Silverware, High-Grade Alloys, Glass-Violin, Assorted Plastics, Torture Instruments )(+ 6.70 Materials)
-[X] The Union Of Herbalists - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Study Sessions - (-2.34 Materials) - (5/8 Turns Complete)
-[] Stupendously Scholastic Scholars of Science - (1 Free Action)
--[] Because of SCIENCE! - Secret Of The Circuit Pt.1 (-4 materials)

Shouldn't we be focusing primarily on the monster coming to kill us all?

Godwinson said:

Shouldn't we be focusing primarily on the monster coming to kill us all?

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We have better than not odds that the Forge clan will just turn it off in the next two or so turns, beyond that we as the Pilgrims can't do much beyond staying out of its way.

Profectus said:

Isn't it 1 success per clothing? Anyway here is my plan

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It's 1 Material income per clothing-related Artifact and success, so:
3 Successes +1Artefact(Fancy Dress) +1extra Success(In The Name Of Profit)=5 Successes/Materials per turn

At least I think so. The option could also be read as 1 Material if there is 1 Successes+1clothing-related Artifact.

Godwinson said:

Shouldn't we be focusing primarily on the monster coming to kill us all?

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The only action we have that could affect the Butcher is "Retrace The Steps, Part 3, [Insert Witty Title]!", and that will only give a +10 on the attempt to shut it down. If the dice roll is going to be a d100 it's not going to matter much...

@HeroCooky Is it going to be one D100? And could we use omake rewards on that dice roll?

We don't have enough know-how to do anything else and not enough Materials to buy another Harpoon.

karmaoa said:

1. It's 1 Material income per clothing-related Artifact and success, so:
3 Successes +1Artefact(Fancy Dress) +1extra Success(In The Name Of Profit)=5 Successes/Materials per turn

At least I think so. The option could also be read as 1 Material if there is 1 Successes+1clothing-related Artifact.

2. @HeroCooky Is it going to be one D100? And could we use omake rewards on that dice roll?

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1. It is the latter, the clothing Artifact and 1 Success are needed for 1 extra Material.

2. Yes to both.

Voting may now commence.

I need 7 1d100's please.

Here we go

Ouch, that 2 looks painful, average is only 39.7

[X] Plan Heart Attack
-[X][Faith] The Pilgrims Need You! - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Faith] Screw You; Eden! - (-2 Materials) - (0/1 Turns Complete)
-[X][Diplomacy] Exfiltrate - (Church Of Eden) - (0/1 Turns Complete)
-[X][Martial] Construct A Hangar - (2/3 Turns Complete)
-[X][Learning] Translations For Beginners - (Linguistics) - (Untranslated Book On Chemicals) - (0/1 Successes)
--[X] 3FF
-[X][Learning] The Feather Is Mightier Than The Sword, At Least Against Paperwork - (Advanced Mechanics/Biology) - (0/2 Successes)
--[X] 6FF
-[X][Archeology] Prepare An Expedition - (TOP-02) - (1/2 turns) - (House Mirn support: N)
-[X][Tree of Knowledge] Blacksmiths Abode - (Basic) - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Tree of Knowledge] A Farm For Starters - (Fertile Farmland) - (Black Root) - (1/3 Turns Complete)
-[X][Personal action] Marry Selene
-[X][Personal action] Marry Selene
-[X] Merchants - (All Are Free Actions)
--[X] Buying Goods In Bulk - (Hygenic Living - Expanded)
--[X]Selling Artifacts - (Decorative Glass, Decorative Urn, Toy Weapon, Embroidered Tapestry, Ninja Doll, Silverware, High-Grade Alloys, Glass-Violin, Assorted Plastics)(+ 5.05 Materials)
-[X] The Adventurer Guild - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Guardians For Hire - (In front of COE temples) - (-1.5 Materials)
-[X] The Union Of Herbalists - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Study Sessions - (-2.34 Materials) - (5/8 Turns Complete)

LordEdric said:

Ouch, that 2 looks painful, average is only 39.7

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Considering that those are contested rolls for the war, and the Empire had an average of 15.6, with the Flood rolling an average of 65.3, then yes, yes that is painful.

On the other hand, your scouts haven't been caught! So theres that!

So how much do we need to fully stop the flood

[X] Plan Heart Attack

Whenyouseeyou said:

So how much do we need to fully stop the flood

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The Flood is already down to a +100 bonus from 300. The Knights and Soldiers vastly reduce the bonus when they win, and somewhat when they lose.

The third strategy the Enperor is using is trying to kill the Council, cutting the head of the snake and all. Hasn't worked so far.

So maybe, ~2/3 rounds?

[X] Plan Security and Wealth But Less Greedy
-[X][Faith] The Pilgrims Need You! - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Faith] Calm Tensions
-[X][Diplomacy] Exfiltrate - (Church of Eden)
--[X] 3FF
-[X][Martial] Construct A Hangar - (2/3 Turns Complete)
-[X][Archeology] Prepare An Expedition - (TOP-02) - (1/2 turns) - (House Mirn support: N)
-[X][Learning] Lock and Key - (Use:Mechanical Lock)
-[X][Learning] Secret Of The Circuit Pt.1 - (Use: Rusted Motherboard) (0/4 Successes)
--[X] 6FF
-[X][Tree] Blacksmiths Abode - (Basic) - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Tree] A Farm For Starters - (Fertile Farmland) - (Black Root) - (1/3 Turns Complete)
-[X] Too Much To Do - Improved Waterwheels For Jewel Mine (-13 materials)
-[X] Too Much To Do - Improved Waterwheels For Silver Mine (-13 materials)
-[X] Merchants - (All Are Free Actions)
--[X] A Small Loan
--[X] Buying Goods In Bulk - (Hygenic Living - Expanded)
--[X]Selling Artifacts - (Decorative Glass, Decorative Urn, Toy Weapon, Embroidered Tapestry, Ninja Doll, Silverware, High-Grade Alloys, Glass-Violin, Assorted Plastics, Torture Instruments )(+ 6.70 Materials)
-[X] The Union Of Herbalists - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Study Sessions - (-2.34 Materials) - (5/8 Turns Complete)
-[X] Stupendously Scholastic Scholars of Science - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Because of SCIENCE! - Secret Of The Circuit Pt.1 (-4 materials)

[X] Plan Security and Wealth But Less Greedy

[X] Plan Heart Attack
-[X][Faith] The Pilgrims Need You! - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Faith] Screw You; Eden! - (-2 Materials) - (0/1 Turns Complete)
-[X][Diplomacy] Exfiltrate - (Church Of Eden) - (0/1 Turns Complete)
-[X][Martial] Construct A Hangar - (2/3 Turns Complete)
-[X][Learning] Translations For Beginners - (Linguistics) - (Untranslated Book On Chemicals) - (0/1 Successes)
--[X] 3FF
-[X][Learning] The Feather Is Mightier Than The Sword, At Least Against Paperwork - (Advanced Mechanics/Biology) - (0/2 Successes)
--[X] 6FF
-[X][Archeology] Prepare An Expedition - (TOP-02) - (1/2 turns) - (House Mirn support: N)
-[X][Tree of Knowledge] Blacksmiths Abode - (Basic) - (1/2 Turns Complete)
-[X][Tree of Knowledge] A Farm For Starters - (Fertile Farmland) - (Black Root) - (1/3 Turns Complete)
-[X][Personal action] Marry Selene
-[X][Personal action] Marry Selene
-[X] Merchants - (All Are Free Actions)
--[X] Buying Goods In Bulk - (Hygenic Living - Expanded)
--[X]Selling Artifacts - (Decorative Glass, Decorative Urn, Toy Weapon, Embroidered Tapestry, Ninja Doll, Silverware, High-Grade Alloys, Glass-Violin, Assorted Plastics)(+ 5.05 Materials)
-[X] The Adventurer Guild - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Guardians For Hire - (In front of COE temples) - (-1.5 Materials)
-[X] The Union Of Herbalists - (1 Free Action)
--[X] Study Sessions - (-2.34 Materials) - (5/8 Turns Complete)

@EyeOfSauron I switched Fashion Revival for Translations For Beginners in Plan Heart Attack after HeroCooky clarified how Artefacts and Successes interact with Fashion Revival.

HeroCooky said:

1. It is the latter, the clothing Artifacts and 1 Success are needed for 1 extra Material.

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So you might want to update your vote. That or I'm going to rename the updated plan.

Anyway, I really want to do the wedding while everyone is still distracted by the Butcher. This way only people that are focused on the Mutated will care about it, meaning the Mutated and the Church of Eden. And while the Church can cause trouble anyway, everyone else should be too busy focusing on the Butcher to react much.

As a heads up and for general information, Cult Creator will enter a hiatus from the 07.10.20 to the 11.10.20 due to me undergoing surgery. It's nothing serious, so don't worry about me dying!

Thats it. Stay safe!

HeroCooky said:

As a heads up and for general information, Cult Creator will enter a hiatus from the 07.10.20 to the 11.10.20 due to me undergoing surgery.

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Thanks for telling us.

HeroCooky said:

It's nothing serious, so don't worry about me dying!

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Huh, well good luck, and I hope everything goes well.

Draw. Vote delayed for 1(one) day.

New Tally on the 26.09.20 at 17:00 CET.

[X] Plan Security and Wealth But Less Greedy

armentho said:

i dont want to begin a holy war when we barely have militia

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I guess the vote is over anyway, but the Church of Eden is not going to stop discriminating Mutated and Pilgrim. There is also the fact that there will be conflict if we marry Selene.
And I don't think it matters too much if we have a few militia units, a veteran scout unit, or a functioning Knight. If there is open violence the Military will come down on both sides like a ton of bricks anyway. I would just like to do the wedding while everyone is still distracted by the Butcher.

The explicitly worst reaction we can get from marrying Selene is that the Church of Eden tries to cause a Purge, which should be more difficult if everyone worries about the Butcher literally looming over them and the Military is gathering their forces in preparation for a fight.

If we do the wedding without a super threat like the Butcher around, it will be politicized and everyone will try to use it for their advantage. Of course, we could simply not marry Selene but that will cause it's own problems if there is a kid.

karmaoa said:

I guess the vote is over anyway, but the Church of Eden is not going to stop discriminating Mutated and Pilgrim. There is also the fact that there will be conflict if we marry Selene.

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yeah i know,but we should fuck them over when we can win

that means

1) gain allies across elites and other religious organizations

2) develop our militar doctrine

3) improve tech

4) gain the emperor favor

then we can declare them evil,but if we declare them evil now we will outgunned,outnumbered,with no allies etc,no soldiers etc

play the long game even if it means allowing pain and segregation to conitnue for a few decades