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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Darn, I was hoping Xor would be able to calm all three of them down, but that was unlikely. The vengeful Undead are rarely reasonable.

Hopefully the non-violent Ghost can be convinced to stay around for at least a short while.
 
[X] Allow the spirit to pass on it is clear this world pains him

I think this one makes more sense from the PoV of Xor as a character, actually.
he's not as greedy a people-looter as Viserys, and definitely not as meticulous.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
No we really don't. There are hundreds of Wilding tribes beyond the Wall. We can't just snap them out of existence. The most we can do is ask the Old Gods to not accept such a thing...which they would refuse because of their nature.
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tarrangar said:
We do want to make child sacrifice illegal outside the Empire, we just don't want to do it at too high a cost, which mean things like going around to every Wildling tribe and telling them to not do it, is too high a cost in time for now, but we do try to stop such practices where we can afford to.

The problem is that we have a hundred draws on our time, and only so much time to give, and preventing the sacrifice of 5 children, is lower priority than preventing the sale of a thousand children to Baator(happening in Slavers Bay) which again is lower priority than ensuring our Empire don't break down.

But we don't generally agree with child sacrifice, we just don't feel we have the free time, to go forbid every small Wildling tribe from doing it.
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We could tell the Old Gods to stop eating children.

[X] Allow the spirit to pass on it is clear this world pains him
 
@DragonParadox would this be acceptable write-in?

[X] Try to talk the spirit into lingering there is yet joy to be found in this world and his arts might be put to good use
-[X] Talk about how that Rhoynar people still live and even now are working together in empire to reclaim old lands, surely he wants to meet them if nothing else?
 
zxzx24 said:
We could tell the Old Gods to stop eating children.

[X] Allow the spirit to pass on it is clear this world pains him
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We could...but I imagine it is one of those issues other people in the thread might see as something that bogs down the story so to speak. I am on board with asking...although kinda hard to justify why we are asking now though.

[X] Try to talk the spirit into lingering there is yet joy to be found in this world and his arts might be put to good use
 
This is Xor and Mercy talking. IMO we should let them act nicely, it feels more IC for them.

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zxzx24 said:
I know you do. I am refering to the people constantly try to deflect or excuse that behavior.
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I have long since stopped trying to provide justifications. They have been referenced as moot when it comes to qualifying an answer for moral dilemmas.

I do care more about ethics, because it seems as though they will reliably force conformation to a set of standards whereby more people benefit from systematic responses.

Morals are rarely reliable because of human nature. They are good guidelines and not useless, but societal boundaries they do not make nor impose.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
We could...but I imagine it is one of those issues other people in the thread might see as something that bogs down the story so to speak. I am on board with asking...although kinda hard to justify why we are asking now though.
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That is honestly way more than I was expecting from anyone in the thread.

DragonParadox said:
You could, they would then ask you to define child, because if it's purely a chronological age matter then there is the matter of those like Aegon (or Dany) who wield powers far beyond their age.
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I will honestly be floored if we do something about this. Probably something metaphysical though. Like what Danny sacrificed to make a proto phylactery.

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@DragonParadox
Would you say asking them to stop sacrificing children would be a... small sacrifice? :V
 
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I for one think it's not really fitting together with Viserys caring mostly about actions, treating everyone as capable of saving or damming themselves by their deeds.
 
DragonParadox said:
Children are not usually very useful sacrifices for the Old Gods, their themes do not mesh well with getting power from unraveled potential the way say Daemonic powers do (which is also why they are so rarely offered as sacrifices) so yes it is something you could ask for.
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"For a small loan of a million Quasits we could make the Old Gods great again!"
 
zxzx24 said:
We could tell the Old Gods to stop eating children.
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The simplest and most effective way of preventing the Wildlings from sacrificing children, or anyone else who doesn't deserve such an end, is to finish depopulating the North. Once the Wildlings are within our sphere of influence, we'll be much more able to monitor them and regulate their behaviors. Even if we convince the OG not to accept child sacrifices, that's hardly going to stop most Wildlings from continuing the practice, since the OG don't issue decrees or any other instruction on how to properly worship them.
 
Massgamer said:
@DragonParadox would this be acceptable write-in?

[X] Try to talk the spirit into lingering there is yet joy to be found in this world and his arts might be put to good use
-[X] Talk about how that Rhoynar people still live and even now are working together in empire to reclaim old lands, surely he wants to meet them if nothing else?
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This could work. Even if it only convince s the Ghost to linger for a few weeks, that's better than nothing.

[X] Massgamer
 
Goldfish said:
The simplest and most effective way of preventing the Wildlings from sacrificing children, or anyone else who doesn't deserve such an end, is to finish depopulating the North. Once the Wildlings are within our sphere of influence, we'll be much more able to monitor them and regulate their behaviors. Even if we convince the OG not to accept child sacrifices, that's hardly going to stop most Wildlings from continuing the practice, since the OG don't issue decrees or any other instruction on how to properly worship them.
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I am going to run with the assumption that you mean this seriously and that this is not a joke.

The point is to set a moral rule for the Old Gods, not just humans.

There is also the fact that the old gods will reward feeding them babies. Wildling or Viserys.
 
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[X] Allow the spirit to pass on it is clear this world pains him

@egoo has a point, it's not really IC for Xor or Mercy to be people looters.
 
Massgamer said:
@DragonParadox would this be acceptable write-in?

[X] Try to talk the spirit into lingering there is yet joy to be found in this world and his arts might be put to good use
-[X] Talk about how that Rhoynar people still live and even now are working together in empire to reclaim old lands, surely he wants to meet them if nothing else?
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I was trying to stay way from write ins since this is not a Viserys update, but something that small works.
 
zxzx24 said:
For aegon or for children in general?
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Children in general. The whole character of Dany stands as a testament to biological age not mattering in the face of the individual and it's capabilities / deeds. Viserys has never espoused an ideal of incorruptible pureness, especially not based on age. Aegons death stands as a testament to the exact opposite.

What you are pushing for here is an OOC concern / author tract.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
"For a small loan of a million Quasits we could make the Old Gods great again!"
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Those are rookie numbers.

Compared to the Larder (oh gods, the magnificence of the Larder before the day of blood) that was chump change.

I'm not going to lie, I almost wept when I saw just how much we amassed in those days. It was like seeing the results of a strip mine, but in demonic flesh and the soon to be screaming souls of the damned.

Did your heart good to see it.

[X] Allow the spirit to pass on it is clear this world pains him

Xor's too nice to make anyone stick around who doesn't want to. He's far to precious for Planetos and the world doesn't deserve him.
 
DragonParadox said:
Children are not usually very useful sacrifices for the Old Gods, their themes do not mesh well with getting power from unraveled potential the way say Daemonic powers do (which is also why they are so rarely offered as sacrifices) so yes it is something you could ask for.
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Children are shitty sacrifices. They have like one, maybe two HD. You've got to let them marinate in the wild for a bit before they become useful. ;)
 
Azel said:
Children in general. The whole character of Dany stands as a testament to biological age not mattering in the face of the individual and it's capabilities / deeds. Viserys has never espoused an ideal of incorruptible pureness, especially not based on age. Aegons death stands as a testament to the exact opposite.

What you are pushing for here is an OOC concern / author tract.
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I see where you are coming from, but Viserys does get that most children are not Dany and he does have a thing with preventing harm to the weak and depossessed. I could see him pushing to prevent sacrifice of most children with an exemption for those who transcend their age like Aegon and again Dany.
 
DragonParadox said:
I see where you are coming from, but Viserys does get that most children are not Dany and he does have a thing with preventing harm to the weak and depossessed. I could see him pushing to prevent sacrifice of most children with an exemption for those who transcend their age like Aegon and again Dany.
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So "assumed innocence until proven otherwise"? Like everyone else?

At this point you are still judging them by the same measure as everyone else, so the whole thing becomes a transparent fig-leaf. Viserys would and has soul-killed children who fell into the categories listed, regardless of their age.
 
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