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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Interregnum said:
IMO you are massively overvaluing this orb. Uniqueness does not carry any intrinsic value. Just because we "can" get the poison through other means doesn't mean that it will be worthwhile for us to do so soon enough to matter. Having more options now is more valuable than maybe having some more options some time in the future.
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Its uniqueness is bypassing mindblank and sealing a cr25 creature to power insane level magics for many many years with no need to constantly feed it energy, that's insanely valuable and not something we have encountered anywhere else.
 
Trek said:
Its uniqueness is bypassing mindblank and sealing a cr25 creature to power insane level magics for many many years with no need to constantly feed it energy, that's insanely valuable and not something we have encountered anywhere else.
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... That was something I didn't even consider. It's a self-contained prison for a goddamn great wyrm, that's definitely worth looking at much further down the line. I really need to start looking more deeply at these things.
 
Trek said:
It worked for them for thousands of years with little to no issues. No reason it won't work for us.
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Actually the Doom Fortress which contained the Orb before we snagged it was entirely dedicated to containing the Orb and attempting to destroy the Great Wyrm Red Dragon contained within it if it should somehow escape. It was basically a weapon storage facility and didn't draw any power from the Orb.
 
Goldfish said:
Actually the Doom Fortress which contained the Orb before we snagged it was entirely dedicated to containing the Orb and attempting to destroy the Great Wyrm Red Dragon contained within it if it should somehow escape. It was basically a weapon storage facility and didn't draw any power from the Orb.
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I meant the orb which powers the dragon control mechanism. Even that building held for insane amounts of time against a cr25 thing.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Nov 29, 2019 at 10:36 PM, finished with 76 posts and 15 votes.
  • [X] Investigate the omens and portents that brought Catelyn and Hoster together if indeed they were real and not rationalization of their feelings.
    -[X] Step one of this process would be the simplest. If Catelyn has had her memories of that time manipulated in anyway, by the auspices of one conspiracy or another, you can restore those with a single Miracle. Ask for her consent of course, though beforehand getting as close an account of what happened that night in the countryside as she can provide, straining her mind for accuracy. If there's any discrepancy, the spell would break through any modification you care to name.
    -[X] If no discrepancy exists, try to thread backwards in another direction and see who might want to attempt Brynden's more subtle brand of manipulations by using details she's provided.
    -[X] Perhaps make use of the spell Hindsight using Wild Arcana?
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Trek said:
I meant the orb which powers the dragon control mechanism. Even that building held for insane amounts of time against a cr25 thing.
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That's a Major Artifact for you. They don't break without serious effort being applied to them.

The Orb Temple Prison Thingy never really needed to act to contain the Orb's prisoner, but the Qartheen were paranoid shits. On the plus side, it also made a really good deterrent for would be thieves, Old Valyrians included.
 
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Goldfish said:
That's a Major Artifact for you. They don't break without serious effort being applied to them.

The Orb Temple Prison Thingy never really needed to act to contain the Orb's prisoner, but the Ghiscari (I think it was them who built it? :oops: ) were paranoid shits. On the plus side, it also made a really good deterrent for would be thieves, Old Valyrians included.
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Speaking of prisons there was that one potion the Lyseni Lich made that could thrust you outside of reality permanently.
 
Goldfish said:
That's a Major Artifact for you. They don't break without serious effort being applied to them.

The Orb Temple Prison Thingy never really needed to act to contain the Orb's prisoner, but the Ghiscari (I think it was them who built it? :oops: ) were paranoid shits. On the plus side, it also made a really good deterrent for would be thieves, Old Valyrians included.
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Ancient Qartheen. From the time their land wasn't the Red Wastes and they had more than a couple of cities to their name.
 
Hey, another random question for you guys. Did we ever bring Willem Darry back? I ask mostly because I'm just about to get to where Rhaella is brought back.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Nov 29, 2019 at 11:41 PM, finished with 85 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Investigate the omens and portents that brought Catelyn and Hoster together if indeed they were real and not rationalization of their feelings.
    -[X] Step one of this process would be the simplest. If Catelyn has had her memories of that time manipulated in anyway, by the auspices of one conspiracy or another, you can restore those with a single Miracle. Ask for her consent of course, though beforehand getting as close an account of what happened that night in the countryside as she can provide, straining her mind for accuracy. If there's any discrepancy, the spell would break through any modification you care to name.
    -[X] If no discrepancy exists, try to thread backwards in another direction and see who might want to attempt Brynden's more subtle brand of manipulations by using details she's provided.
    -[X] Perhaps make use of the spell Hindsight using Wild Arcana?
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Goldfish said:
I don't remember that one.
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I'm still looking, for some reason it's hard to find, but it's this thing.
DragonParadox said:
Gained Spine-Wrought Whip

Gained Unknown Lich's Potion

Gained Eagle-headed Sword-Cane

Gained Tor's Robes
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From what I remember this potion, if you took it, was to instantly force the drinker outside of reality forever. They would be untouchable and immortal, but also powerless and isolated. The single stupidest form of immortality.
 
It was some desperate research created by a madman who was stuck in a really shitty situation. It's really not much of a wonder they didn't use it.

Edit: What really gets me about that whole Lys arc, we brought back our ancestor Laenor Targaryen, and really their situation was arguably even more desperate and even more shitty, yet they remained rational enough to be worth bringing back.

Valyrians... I guess they can't all be like Malarys, and our other ancient Dragonlord would probably be just as paranoiac and murderous if it weren't for the fact that we literally pushed heaven and earth aside to bring her kids back.

For every not-completely-insane or reprehensible dragonlord we revive, there's thirty nine more who are absolute shitbirds though. Which is a real shame.
 
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Its a pretty amazing weapon if we can replicate it though. That with our newly acquired glass syringes... hunter seeker drones abound.
 
Crake said:
It was some desperate research created by a madman who was stuck in a really shitty situation. It's really not much of a wonder they didn't use it.

Edit: What really gets me about that whole Lys arc, we brought back our ancestor Laenor Targaryen, and really their situation was arguably even more desperate and even more shitty, yet they remained rational enough to be worth bringing back.

Valyrians... I guess they can't all be like Malarys, and our other ancient Dragonlord would probably be just as paranoiac and murderous if it weren't for the fact that we literally pushed heaven and earth aside to bring her kids back.

For every not-completely-insane or reprehensible dragonlord we revive, there's thirty nine more who are absolute shitbirds though. Which is a real shame.
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Sometimes I do look back and wish things could have ended differently. Had that lich not been so unrelentingly hostile we probably would have recruited him at some point. But we can't get them all. :(
 
That's something you can say about a lot of our enemies, but the Valyrians ones totally, yeah. I mean you have to be a total shitheel, not just on any moral basis but truly mentally impaired to ally with Tiamat. I get that lore was lost, but there were plenty of other warnings which stood the test of time all the way up to the doom which should have been well known, as by process of elimination no one would have reached their late twenties in the Freehold with their soul intact if they weren't aware of that fact.

The ironic part is at least one lived to regret their bed fellows not for any particular inclination toward being against committing atrocities, but random atrocities, with no firm plan in place for their followers. Tiamat really just is the worst evil boss out of all of them barring Lolth, because Fuck Lolth.

I mean take a look at Malarys. He's stretched so far past the horizon of enlightenment that he's bound to wrap back around to Lawful Neutral by sheer practicality and lack of nuance to any of his more morally ambiguous actions.

We are perfectly capable of moderating such inclinations toward unnecessary cruelty, but random, uncoordinated clownshoes evil is our goddamn anathema. We have basically no way to reach these people. Which is really annoying because I think more encounters would otherwise end with us going "why don't you take a seat right there?" Like we did with that agent Ymeri sent to Lys.
 
Crake said:
I would rather attaint one than threaten both.
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Very much the opposite on this, they share equal responsibility for this nonsense and I'd much rather turn the whole damn lot into the Red Wastes Mk II than let some idiots bank on coming out on the right side of a 50/50 shot the next time.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
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