- Pronouns
- He/Him
It may be an effect of a regular Anvil Rune, but keep in mind the lightning Kragg summoned and rained down on the Greenskins.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- United States
Dwarves have a mundane answer to dragons.
its called the cannon.
its called the cannon.
- Location
- France
My best guess is "small spaces + rune-weapons".
A Dragon can probably ravage any exterior Dawi holdings, but once you start fighting a fortified mountain you either somehow batter down a runic door that's backed by cannon and runic ballista, or you destroy the entire mountain. And even if you break down the door, the Dawi do have weapons that can hurt you and you're a huge creature trying to fight a bunch of smaller ones with deadly weapons inside a tunnel network.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
Dwarves have plenty of Runes dedicated to the sole purpose of slaying dragons, chief among them the Master Rune of Dragon Slaying.
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Well there's dragons being really rare on one hand and Karaks being hard to take especially for younger more active dragons on the other hand.
Greenskins have only not been a major problem for K8P because Mathilde has been consistently decapitating their leadership and because she and Kragg the Grim seriously hit the two attempts at a serious Waagh that the Expedition had encountered but lorewise greenskins can get quite tough to fight.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
If only some extremely clever and, dare I say it, fantastically good-looking and well-read individual had recently obviated the need for Karak Eight Peaks's use of cannon in surface defense! Then we would have cannon to spare for anti-dragon duty!
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Blackmailing is 'do this or I'll release bad information about you'. I'm not really sure how that would apply to such a situation. Do you mean coerce? I agree that it wouldn't be looked upon well, but only because Mathilde is so good and useful; Belegar pays money to have Mathilde on call, so of course it wouldn't be reasonable to expect that he'd keep paying us if we weren't on call, but it wouldn't be coercive to request a sabbatical, only relatively blind to the realities of the Karak's situation.
Of course, at the end of the day, it's all in how you phrase it. 'Pay me to take a vacation' is bad, and worse when you really need somebody at the workplace or else things might literally burn down without them. 'As a master of my craft, I'd like to retire from this position, but still be located nearby to help out the Karak, of course, in order to delve into the greater mysteries that could make me a truly worthy grandmaster' is quite reasonable in comparison, as long as it comes at a time when there aren't eight fire-hazards in the Karak itself. Belegar knows how useful furthering our mastery is in the abstract sense; some real grandmasters just came down to Eight Peaks and built him an apocalypse weapon that utilizes the flames of dwarven hell.
Blackmail in the broader sense is conditioning someone's safety, security or happiness on something they do not want to do. In that sense I do not think phrasing will help here. K8P is a symbol of hope and victory for Karaz Ankor yes, but it is also at this point in time in dire straights. As the dwarfs would see it there are skaven greenskins a dragon and who knows what horror movie monsters there. Saying 'you can let me go get training as a sabbatical or I quit' under those circumstances is nothing short of blackmail since you are forcing him to make due without a loremaster while in desperate straights yet keep the position open because it is still better than losing Mathilde for good.
- Location
- Canada
Well that'd be resigning, which we are free to do at any time
This is basically a case of not being able to have our cake and eat it too
Either we maintain our prestigious position at Belegar's council, which has it's benefits and responsibilities both
Or we resign from that position for more freedom of action
We can't be a member of the council and not have expected responsibilities to take care of
I don't know why so much discussion is going into this.
Are you asking the GM to include "Resign" or "Request a Sabbatical" on the next list of voting options? Is that the explicit request here?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
It's something Johann's already working on, if we can get some samples, we can probably spread it around and crack it as a side-project for everything else.
If we don't need magic to solve a problem, we shouldn't use it--especially when the proposed solution is the Wind we have in mind is the one that conflicts hardest with our own.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
No, it's strictly about the release of information. They're both bad, but coercion is what you're thinking of: 'persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.' The threat in this case being that we would stop helping them.
I think we're talking about separate hypotheticals here.
Belegar shouldn't be paying for something he's not getting, I already said this.
Mathilde wouldn't make such a statement in a malicious manner; with our favor and general mindset, it would require a genuinely large change in character for it to be anything other than us feeling a little too comfortable about the state of the Karak.
I agree that Mathilde shouldn't demand to stay on the payroll but not actually be helping him at all.
What I said was that we should be allowed to retire gracefully in less strenuous circumstances.
I'm trying to explain what I perceived to be somebody else's reasoning. I'm suggesting nothing in particular myself, except the possibility that it might be costing us more to be an adviser than to be a Mathilde-y mountain hermit, which was another option we had at the end of the expedition.
'When Eight Peaks looks like it's not about to burn down because of the infinite armies of Skavendom' sounds like a good time to consider our next trajectory in life.
- Location
- Norway
[X] [TOWER] Complete
[X] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc)
[X] Plan Present Concerns with Snek
[X] Plan Present Concerns With Cartography
[X] Plan Alphabetical
[X] Plan Penthesilea
Options for the option dwarf! Approval voting the plans with the most options presented. Because I want to see Mathilde going "Now that that's done, I have some ideas..." after the tower and Belegar looking at all the wizard bullshit falling into his lap, also it being his turn for a bit to have to pick one of a squillion options available.
[X] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc)
[X] Plan Present Concerns with Snek
[X] Plan Present Concerns With Cartography
[X] Plan Alphabetical
[X] Plan Penthesilea
Options for the option dwarf! Approval voting the plans with the most options presented. Because I want to see Mathilde going "Now that that's done, I have some ideas..." after the tower and Belegar looking at all the wizard bullshit falling into his lap, also it being his turn for a bit to have to pick one of a squillion options available.
Would request a Sabbatical be something Mathilde would consider IC?
Despite the turns being more action packed and having more updates than the pre-expedition turns Mathilde has still only been Loremaster for less than four years. Considering the backlog has been somewhat reduced at least in terms of papers written and training done and that Karak Eight Peaks is still in its formative stages it seems like a really awkward time to request a break.
I agree. It's not like Mathilde hasn't been jamming in quite a lot of personal projects as well. She learned a lot of magic over the past year and the Qeekish side project has been entirely hers.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Certainly not at the moment; You can't swing a cat without hitting a Skaven, there's an Emperor dragon in Ziflin, and one of the mountains might be legitimately haunted; whatever it is, it's managed to scare the pants off of greenskins, which is saying something.
But she might like the idea of just being able to sit down and burn through her backlog one day, when nothing is on fire.
- Location
- Red Blood on Golden Shield
[X] Plan Present Concerns
-[X] PROJECT: Queekish
-[X] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[X] PROJECT: Dragon
-[X] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
-[X] PROJECT: Queekish
-[X] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[X] PROJECT: Dragon
-[X] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
I won't mind using the action that was given to learning magic over to research.
Certainly. For the matter 1 action can be given to exploration/figuring stuff out, 2 to Queekish (if that isn't chosen) and 1 to other research. Once Queekish is done and dusted even more focus can be shifted on AV research or Uglu tongs or other stuff.
At least the paper favour mill is neatly chugging along.
So I had a couple of thoughts for neat spells Mathilde could invent I don't really know how feasible they are but whatever.
A aoe spell that cause the shadows in the area to grapple and hold still people and animals in the effect.
A illusionary combatant that effect one creature but fights just a little bit better than the person it's cast on a training and distraction tool all in one
This could maybe be more like a ritual but creating basically living shadows that are loyal to their creator basically a warhammer version of shadows from kingdom hearts.
I don't know how feasible any of these are but I thought maybe the be interesting to someone.
A aoe spell that cause the shadows in the area to grapple and hold still people and animals in the effect.
A illusionary combatant that effect one creature but fights just a little bit better than the person it's cast on a training and distraction tool all in one
This could maybe be more like a ritual but creating basically living shadows that are loyal to their creator basically a warhammer version of shadows from kingdom hearts.
I don't know how feasible any of these are but I thought maybe the be interesting to someone.
Sure the answer is either various hero units with unique equipment (I think dragon slayer is one of the highest "specifications" of slayer we get in canon) or large scale armies with lot of siegeweapons and a willingness to accept significant casualties. Its just that losing a large number of troops to the dragon makes us weak to the other factions which is why I think a smarter solution would be nice.
And the reason why dragons are less of a threat than orks or skaven is that there are far fewer of them and that most of them have better things to do than to risk their lives and attack some of the strongest fortifications in the world. I mean there is a reason why the big dragons that did so that we know of are generally chaos tainted.
And I have to say that I doubt there will ever be a time in the near or medium future where K8P will be truly safe/problem free unless the GM goes really easy on us. At the end of the day K8P is an outpost deep in enemy territory that is both a strategic as well as political target for nearly ever "evil" faction there is.
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Though that doesn't mean that I think that it would be OC or even unlikely that Mathilde wpuld sooner or later tire of her duties and long for something else. Having to constantly fight for your life has to be a terrible psychological burden.
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Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
That kind of thing is exactly what Burning Vengeance is about.
- Location
- Mexico
But aren't dragons hard to affect with magic? (what i got from reading the thread), this or similar would give him an actual reason to lash out.
Considering the dragon is on the highest most inaccessible peak, behind Skyre lines why poke him at the moment?
There's basically everything else that is more immediate either as a concern or as an opportunity, so why try to tackle the dragon?
There's basically everything else that is more immediate either as a concern or as an opportunity, so why try to tackle the dragon?