Nix's Warden
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Mexico
Yeah, I'm getting concerned the menagerie of tutors might be confusing them, we should take an action to directly oversee their education, preferably along with the priest if she sticks around, in case kicking her and starting over just compounds the problem.
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- Virginia
One other thing I thought of however, is that we're only interacting with one member of the entire We species. Who know's how the rest of the entire species is? For all we know they might work with the Skaven, and this one is the odd one out.
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- Spain
@BoneyM has already confirmed that we can commission a charm that will make Mathilde inmune to sickness, poison and smoke...
I have suggested in numerous occasions to commission one, in the case that we ever needed to fight against the clan pestilens... But I guess that now it is much more urgent to do it.
They've only had two. Adding another makes it more confusing even if it's us. The priest is making progress, let her work.
Large quantities of magic exhibit capriciousness. Dhar starts there.
Critting is required to learn Battle Magic.
I would argue that the Maw is worse, the HR does try to instill something resembling civilization and rules in the SKaven, the Maw just drives the orgues insane.
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- Aotearoa
Might be time to take a personal interest as an action.
Even if We education remains a long term project, we might get to understand the factors and limitations better (the hidden bonuses and penalties)
Then perhaps be able to address the problems, to help the teachers make faster progress in the future.
(The counterpoint being AP hell and just rely on RNG helping us before ???)
Fair enough on the motivation, he would still have to beat Mathilde's scrutiny and unlike her he is not an intrigue expert. That said there really is no way to check for this besides further observation, taking the puppy away to see if he misses it would be counterproductive to any attempts to actually turn him all the way.
Nix's Warden
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Okay, I remember that now, but and I'm not trying to be rude here, you didn't answer my question. Can we still get Arcane Marks from learning Battle Magic?
That would make lurking in a Conflagration of doom more practical.
Arcane Marks can theoretically happen any time you cast a spell. Learning Battle Magic is somewhat likely to result in them, but no more so than any activity with a high risk of miscast.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
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- They/Them
We joke, but "throws their name on everything" is a reasonable personality quirk for someone who may have shadow magic crawl down their back and make people forget about them.
Being forgotten is a hell of a fear, and if your name is on everything, it's evidence that you were there, that you were real.
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- UK
See, I would also like to uplift the rest of the We, and that many extra hives would definitely be useful. The economic benefits will eventually level off as silk becomes more abundant but even if there's so many We that every Dwarf, Human, Elf and even Lizardman (I think that's all the goodish guys?) get spider silk clothes the We will still be useful as attrition against the baddies... at least against Skaven and Orcs. For Chaos and maybe Undead I can see it being a bit counter-productive or suicidal preying on them with corruption and all that.
The problem is K8P is kinda unique in how adaptive it could be to the We, far more so than anywhere else in the Old World imo. Spreading more We colonies to humans, especially for immature We, could result in them falling prey to human shortsightedness, greed and prejudice, and could very well not only sour those We against cooperation but may even form that evil Nega-We empire some are worried about.
Dwarves on the other hand are far more logical socially speaking, at least in We related diplomacy ways, but as we've seen are far less likely to accept them.
On the other hand K8P takes the best of both worlds, the adaptiveness of humans with the logical and honest culture of the dwarves. This is probably the best, maybe only, place the We could be befriended like this, at least for now.
The elves might be more welcoming, but I don't know much about them.
Hopefully as the We grow wiser and more understanding they can get to the point they can take care of themselves and spread across the Old World in glorious symbiosis, and by that point their economic benefits should be enough many lords would be welcoming them if not the people, but then that's offshoots of the current We, not new uplifted We.
It's a difficult problem, and honestly I think the best bet is to uplift our current We as much as possible, then they will hopefully be powerful enough and competent enough to uplift their cousins themselves.
The problem is K8P is kinda unique in how adaptive it could be to the We, far more so than anywhere else in the Old World imo. Spreading more We colonies to humans, especially for immature We, could result in them falling prey to human shortsightedness, greed and prejudice, and could very well not only sour those We against cooperation but may even form that evil Nega-We empire some are worried about.
Dwarves on the other hand are far more logical socially speaking, at least in We related diplomacy ways, but as we've seen are far less likely to accept them.
On the other hand K8P takes the best of both worlds, the adaptiveness of humans with the logical and honest culture of the dwarves. This is probably the best, maybe only, place the We could be befriended like this, at least for now.
The elves might be more welcoming, but I don't know much about them.
Hopefully as the We grow wiser and more understanding they can get to the point they can take care of themselves and spread across the Old World in glorious symbiosis, and by that point their economic benefits should be enough many lords would be welcoming them if not the people, but then that's offshoots of the current We, not new uplifted We.
It's a difficult problem, and honestly I think the best bet is to uplift our current We as much as possible, then they will hopefully be powerful enough and competent enough to uplift their cousins themselves.
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- Philippines
[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
Pro: npc agency
Con: fiercer debate about social votes
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Oswald Oswaldson, newly-minted Chief Bombardier of the Undumgi.
Pro: npc agency
Con: fiercer debate about social votes
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Oswald Oswaldson, newly-minted Chief Bombardier of the Undumgi.
Any time you have to roll for magic, you can get an arcane mark. You can never avoid rolling to cast battle magic and you have to cast a spell to learn it. So yes, every battle spell comes with the risk of an arcane mark.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
If I understand things correctly, we'll have the opportunity to step in again when the priestess of Esmerelda either finishes or gives up. She was a locked choice this turn; the other options weren't even there.
She's making more progress than the last guy did.
She's making more progress than the last guy did.
We could also give the priest a support action, the [] work with someone option.
Have we used that yet?
fallintolife
the worst vegan
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- Los Angeles
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[x] Princess Edda, as she oversees the reopening of a long-dormant silver mine north of Death Pass.
[x] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[x] Roswita, as she campaigns through Hunger Wood.
[x] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.
Edda because I want the delicious tea. Francesco because I want to get a better measure of the possible future Thane. Roswita because she's finally warming up to us (and I want more hilarious stories about hercats battle wizards). Kragg because I want to know about that rune-axe.
and now reactions to the actual update.
whoops. could be a whole lot worse, though, and CERTAINLY could be less cool.
Boney, my sides!!
of course the dwarves don't think it's perfect. me though, I just think it's neat
oh dear.
[x] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[x] Roswita, as she campaigns through Hunger Wood.
[x] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.
Edda because I want the delicious tea. Francesco because I want to get a better measure of the possible future Thane. Roswita because she's finally warming up to us (and I want more hilarious stories about her
and now reactions to the actual update.
whoops. could be a whole lot worse, though, and CERTAINLY could be less cool.
Boney, my sides!!
of course the dwarves don't think it's perfect. me though, I just think it's neat
oh dear.
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Yeah, if kept away from their toxic society and their worse god, there's a person not entirely without hope under there. But what hope is there for the skaven as a whole?
We used it with Gunnar once.
I don't see any reason we couldn't use it to work with the Priestess. Other than the pain of sacrificing an action slot, of course.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
That's for other council members.
I suspect the best thing we could do to assist the Priestess is to take this option:
If we understand the mechanisms of its communication better, we can share those insights with the Priestess to help her express herself in a We-friendlier way, similar to how Mathilde figured out their mindset early on in the initial communication efforts and took over from the Ambers.
Nix's Warden
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Goooooood. Now we have a way to get Magic 10. Just need to learn Battle Magic, since its the most likely way to get Arcane Marks, and hope we get lucky on the Gatcha and get the Rune Of Ulgu, though Shrouded wouldn't be terrible.