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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[X] Prince Kazrik, as he builds on his relationship with Nuln.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of Bretonnia's campaigns against the Skaven in Mousillon and the Black Chasm.
[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
[X] Anton, to see how his firearm factory is going.
[X] Wilhelmina, to see how she's going when she's not a terrifying financial juggernaut.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.
[X] Check in on the Gong Farmers and the Niter Factory.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.

[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[X] Oswald Oswaldson, newly-minted Chief Bombardier of the Undumgi.
[X] Soizic, newly elevated to military leader of the Undumgi.


[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.


[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of Bretonnia's campaigns against the Skaven in Mousillon and the Black Chasm.


[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
[X] Max, during the few breaks in the silence as the two of you worked on Queekish in the Room of Serenity.

Yeah, sure. Let's get to know one of our subordinates

[X] Titus Muggins, who's returned to farming with every avenue of attack defended.

I want to hang out with the halfling

[X] Julia, See what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.

See what's up with our former subordinate

[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.

Hey Kragg, what's up with the axe

[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.

I wanna check our property. 'nuff said

[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.

I like the unpredictability
 
Andres110 said:
You can't be right. Dwarves are resistant to magic, which is why magic affects them less than humans. Humans, on the other hand, are the most mutable race on Mallus and would get changed by exposure to magic long before dwarfs start turning to stone from it.
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Some of K8P's normal humans might change, yes, but the possible effects, or lack thereof, on the Undumgi is what interests me, given what we know about them OOC.
 
Come on guys don't neglect Kazrik the Runesmith apprentice and fellow council member. he's one of the key player's we'll want to befriend for future runic collaboration work.
 
Andres110 said:
You can't be right. Dwarves are resistant to magic, which is why magic affects them less than humans. Humans, on the other hand, are the most mutable race on Mallus and would get changed by exposure to magic long before dwarfs start turning to stone from it.
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While that's true, Dwarves also can't 'absorb' as much magic as humans. Basically the humans can ignore it because it's probably about as much magic as there is if they walk around in a storm or near a large fire, while the Dwarves typically repel magic, but can't repel it if they're eating it.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
While that's true, Dwarves also can't 'absorb' as much magic as humans. Basically the humans can ignore it because it's probably about as much magic as there is if they walk around in a storm or near a large fire, while the Dwarves typically repel magic, but can't repel it if they're eating it.
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There's basically no way a non-battle magic enchanted cleansing item of Hysh would infuse the water with permanent quantities of Hysh, it just isn't that simple or easy to keep magic in a medium. we'd also know pretty much instantly if it was a problem due to Mathilde having the Wind sage trait and being able to see if there was any magic there.

On a related note, in a couple of turns we should probably look into dropping an action on seeing if we can use wind sage to see through Pall of Darkness and work on upskilling our understanding of that trait or if we're a bit lucky upgrading the trait again.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
While that's true, Dwarves also can't 'absorb' as much magic as humans. Basically the humans can ignore it because it's probably about as much magic as there is if they walk around in a storm or near a large fire, while the Dwarves typically repel magic, but can't repel it if they're eating it.
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This argument is unconvincing. It makes a lot more sense that humans who drink magic water will mutate faster than the dwarfs who drink magic water.
 
Andres110 said:
What would cleansed water do to humans if drunk for the length of a siege?
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Nothing. Humans don't react negatively to magic in their system.

Nix's Warden said:
Question BoneyM. What affect does the Rune of Ulgu have as a Arcane Mark?
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+1 magic.

emberwing said:
Is there a reason we didn't take a shot at learning shadow of death other than knowing the superior version?
whilst i'll admit it's mostly due to wanting to complete the spellbook, it's also something we could teach an apprentice if we ever got one.
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Because four spells from one AP is plenty and nobody even mentioned it until now.

Walliseatscheese said:
Would asking Johann more about the details of his Inflexible Trait be considered rude?
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Yes. The details of someone's relationship with their Wind is intensely personal, and anyone with a limitation like this is almost guaranteed to be incredibly touchy about it.
 
[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.

[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of Bretonnia's campaigns against the Skaven in Mousillon and the Black Chasm.
[X] Julia, See what she has gotten up to as Stirland's most experienced spy master.
[X] Roswita, as she campaigns through Hunger Wood.
[X] Princess Edda, as she oversees the reopening of a long-dormant silver mine north of Death Pass.
[X] Prince Kazrik, as he builds on his relationship with Nuln.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape.
[X] Soizic, newly elevated to military leader of the Undumgi.
 
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[X] King Belegar, as he arranges for Clan Ironspike to rejoin their ancestral home from Karak Hirn.
[X] Prince Gotri, who is enhancing the underground defences of the Karak.
[X] Princess Edda, as she oversees the reopening of a long-dormant silver mine north of Death Pass.
[X] Prince Kazrik, as he builds on his relationship with Nuln.
[X] Gunnars, to see if you can pierce his terse nature.
[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[X] Oswald Oswaldson, newly-minted Chief Bombardier of the Undumgi.


[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.

Only need to talk to Dreng now, and we'll have actually spoken to and interacted with all of our fellow Councillors outside council scenes.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
While that's true, Dwarves also can't 'absorb' as much magic as humans. Basically the humans can ignore it because it's probably about as much magic as there is if they walk around in a storm or near a large fire, while the Dwarves typically repel magic, but can't repel it if they're eating it.
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Makes sense to me.

Dwarfs can resist and repel magic but humans can absorb and utilize it (often to horrible mutating results but hey).
 
SuperSonicSound said:
There's basically no way a non-battle magic enchanted cleansing item of Hysh would infuse the water with permanent quantities of Hysh, it just isn't that simple or easy to keep magic in a medium.
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A) You don't know that
B) That could depend on the way the item is cleansed
C) We literally have WoG that it contains some amount of magic, enough to be dangerous to Dwarves.

Andres110 said:
This argument is unconvincing. It makes a lot more sense that humans who drink magic water will mutate faster than the dwarfs who drink magic water.
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Why? Humans don't mutate from living in the Colleges, which are dripping with magic.
 
Andres110 said:
You can't be right. Dwarves are resistant to magic, which is why magic affects them less than humans. Humans, on the other hand, are the most mutable race on Mallus and would get changed by exposure to magic long before dwarfs start turning to stone from it.
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Dwarf resistance to magic does not, it turn out, extend quite as much to their internal organs.

SuperSonicSound said:
There's basically no way a non-battle magic enchanted cleansing item of Hysh would infuse the water with permanent quantities of Hysh, it just isn't that simple or easy to keep magic in a medium. we'd also know pretty much instantly if it was a problem due to Mathilde having the Wind sage trait and being able to see if there was any magic there.
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A constant enchantment on their water supply means there will constantly be magic in their water.

Jyn Ryvia said:
Shadow of Death Boney!
If we are going to spend 10CF on every spell, we should get a go at every spell, even the redundant one.
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Getting really sick of this.
 
[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[X] Oswald Oswaldson, newly-minted Chief Bombardier of the Undumgi.
[X] Soizic, newly elevated to military leader of the Undumgi.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape

I would like to talk to the other humans one the peak, yes.
 
[X] Prince Kazrik, as he builds on his relationship with Nuln.
[X] Soizic, newly elevated to military leader of the Undumgi.
[X] Anton, to see how his firearm factory is going.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.

[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
BoneyM said:
A constant enchantment on their water supply means there will constantly be magic in their water.
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Wouldn't it just evaporate out of the water the moment it's not in the source? Besides I figured you'd just use it as a filter for what ever outlet system you have rather than constantly being active and if you had to have it in the main water reservoir have it work on a loose timer cleaning the water once every x period of time. That said I guess it's not really our issue yet until Belegar comes to us with the idea.
 
[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi and possible future Thane.
[X] Prince Kazrik, as he builds on his relationship with Nuln.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Kragg, who's begun to be seen around the Karak once more, indicating he might be finishing his study of the rune-axe you and Johann found.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.

[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
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BoneyM said:
Nothing. Humans don't react negatively to magic in their system.
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I wasn't asking if it poisons them or does something negative, but what it does in general. Humans are mutative, so I figure it'd change them in some manner, if not in a strictly negative way. If they don't react negatively, then maybe we can segregate the water? Hysh has spells that heal and remove diseases, so long-term drinking of hysh water might make humans healthier. Same if something can be managed with ghyran food.

deathofrats0808 said:
Why? Humans don't mutate from living in the Colleges, which are dripping with magic.
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They do actually. The magic-dense nature of the colleges help attune apprentices to that college's wind, making it easier for them to draw from that wind and harder for them to draw from others. They'd probably react even more if they started drinking and eating stuff with magic shoved in it all the time.
 
[+] The Wizards of Karak Eight Peaks (locked in)
[+] EIC Results (locked in; does not cost an action)

[X] Prince Gotri, who is enhancing the underground defences of the Karak.
[X] Prince Kazrik, as he builds on his relationship with Nuln.
[X] Gunnars, to see if you can pierce his terse nature.

[X] Soizic, newly elevated to military leader of the Undumgi.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape.

[X] Barak Varr, to watch the progress of the canal.
[X] Karak Hirn, to satisfy your curiousity about Prince Ulthar.

[X] Investigate the aftermath of the Empire's campaigns against the Skaven in Nuln and Ubersreik.
[X] Investigate the aftermath of Bretonnia's campaigns against the Skaven in Mousillon and the Black Chasm.


[X] Yes, have one social interaction be initiated by someone other than Mathilde.
 
Andres110 said:
They do actually. The magic-dense nature of the colleges help attune apprentices to that college's wind, making it easier for them to draw from that wind and harder for them to draw from others. They'd probably react even more if they started drinking and eating stuff with magic shoved in it all the time.
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I wasn't thinking of the wizards, who are already somewhat more sensitive to that sort of thing anyway, I was thinking of the staff that inevitably have to exist, because I can't imagine there's wizards that go around cleaning or cooking for large numbers of people.
 
Well, look at it this way; when asked whether Dwarfs would be willing to use magical items made by a Wizard, the answer was a "No way." They'd want their runic items, and no way would they use Wizard magic-enchanted things.

Now, take that, and think about how they'd feel about drinking water that -- apparently -- had magic spells cast on it. It's like the equivalent of using enchanted magic items; drinking enchanted magic-cleaned water. They wouldn't feel well about that at all, I think.

On the other hand, they probably have Runes for purifying and cleaning water. The issue with the Skaven in the original fall of Karak Eight Peaks was probably the suddenness and surprise of it as much as anything. And that it was the underground water that was poisoned, I believe; whereas here we're collecting water from the top of the mountain, I think?
 
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