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it removes clouds.
the cloudline is below the tower and gets into the way of us burninating everything below them.
it also makes for nice red vs blue memes.
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the cloudline is below the tower and gets into the way of us burninating everything below them.
it also makes for nice red vs blue memes.
Making sure that on cloudy days we don't end up with enough ambient light that it makes the Red Tower insufficiently bright to cast a distinct enough shadow.
The ability top clear up enemy spells that might intentionally block the red tower off with mist and clouds I imagine.
deathofrats0808
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Oh good it is an Emperor Dragon. That's going to be...fun. Still doesn't mean it can use magic. Going to be a pain to fight, but if it can use magic it can also dispell which would be a massive pain.
Presumably the light conditions are different enough that the Red Tower isn't very effective if it's just cloudy.
As Karak Nar's peak is below the permanent snowline, then it's not above the cloudline in all or even most cloudy conditions.
Edit: The place should probably be called Karak Two Peaks and Six Hills, but that doesn't really have the same ring to it. A real mountain should have permanent snow, if not glaciers on the top.
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The blue lets the shadow be used when it's cloudy.
A cloudy day is still brighter than the brightest night, and the red tower is not bright enough to overcome daylight.
The blue guarantees 16 hours of full use per day. The Red allows 10-12 hours of use each night. [Depending how bright it is compared to dawn/dusk]
The red may also be weakened or overcome by campfires and bright torches, we don't know yet.
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The others made sense, but I don't get this? I get the "distinct Shadow is required" part, but I'm not sure how removing clouds helps the red tower be more distinct- it'd be the blue tower doing the work in that case, making the Red redundant, surely?
The red is for nighttime use, the blue for daytime.
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If it's cloudy but ambient light levels are high, there are no distinct shadows and the Red Tower won't be able to generate enough light to cast one -- it is much, much harder to overpower indirect sunlight than it is to generate a bright light in darkness (
). The Blue Tower covers that base: apply blue tower, achieve direct sunlight, melt faces, done.In canon apparently all of them are taller than Everest, by a lot, but Boney is decanonizing that because it's stupid.
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I know, I initially mentioned it. Having mountains poking miles up into the stratosphere would be dumb. However, having them be as tall as the Alps or even the Himalayas would be quite reasonable. Particularly given how big the East Valley would need to be to feed tens of thousands of people.
Mopman43
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Depending on rolls and such, we might be able to build other functionality into the Blue Tower as well. I mean, we're already putting limited weather control for Clear Skies, something more should be possible, right?If it's cloudy but ambient light levels are high, there are no distinct shadows and the Red Tower won't be able to generate enough light to cast one -- it is much, much harder to overpower indirect sunlight than it is to generate a bright light in darkness (
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Thanks all.
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Boney had this to say on the matter:
(Incidentally, I shared your omake with two of my partners, who do not read this quest or know anything about WHF, and they liked it a lot.)
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I understand your point of view but the spell descriptions don't use such neat and distinctive language such as "If you're darker then you would be without light blocking object then you start burning". It just uses the nebulous term "shadow." I'm sure shadow has some clearly defined irl scientific meaning but magic isn't only affected by the scholars viewpoint of the world.
Standing under some tree shade? Light shadow but still shadow.
Holding a torch under that tree? No shadow. Though the torch is casting a shadow from my body.
It's why I say it's for Bonney to decide how he interprets the spell.
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You know I suspect a lot of wizards are jealous of Mathilde for being able to use the wealth of a state treasury to just build giant magical weapons. I'm pretty sure most Elector counts would be leery of not just the expense but having that much magical firepower in one place.
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Where do your elevation numbers come from by the way? I can't find any canon heights for the mountains of K8P.
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Looking at real life snow lines on mountains, which mostly vary based on lattitude, the snow line in K8P should be at around 5000 meters of elevation.
Given that it's generally accepted that something is a "mountain" instead of a "hill" as soon as it's more than 600 m tall, it's safe to say that all of K8P qualifies.
E: I am not a mountain climber. Misunderstood a source, erroneous data removed.
Given that it's generally accepted that something is a "mountain" instead of a "hill" as soon as it's more than 600 m tall, it's safe to say that all of K8P qualifies.
E: I am not a mountain climber. Misunderstood a source, erroneous data removed.
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DevilsAdvocate
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Also, the Elector Counts probably can't pay. Belegar seems to have paid the Grey College twenty five favour, with Mathilde kicking in ten more. That's the value of one of Kragg the Grim's masterworks in dwarf favour alone. It's very unlikely that an Elector Count could offer anything comparable.
It's first mentioned in the the first Warhammer book I owned, the 3rd Edition Warhammer Fantasy Battles rulebook.
Edit: that's the heights of the World's Edge Mountains. I think K8Ps being particularly tall are in one of the dwarf army books.
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Mopman43
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How old even is 3rd Edition? 4th was like, 94...
1991, so I'm really showing my age here.
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That's just another benefit to learning Queekish. Author time, we'll bleed the warptoken economy dry with our novel new novels! Bonus points, our sense of romance at this point will be so twisted that we'll be a best selling author amongst the druuchi as well!
The Colleges are meant to serve the Empire so I'm sure the Elector Counts could find a way it get it built, if only by paying a ton of gold. The real reason they wouldn't build this is because they could never properly secure it. It'd get stolen by Chaos or Vampires 5 minutes after the building team left.
This is the sort of thing that is good about living in a dwarf hold. They have far better security and no persistent infiltrator problems.
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Things like the Luminarks exist, and it's relatively hard to steal a tower.
It could be that the Emperor doesn't trust the Elector Counts with super weapons.