Not really. It is not like the high king even has as much power over individual kings as the Emperor has over the electors. What Belegar is doing is formally fully within his rights, though it may be culturally questionable.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Not really. It is not like the high king even has as much power over individual kings as the Emperor has over the electors. What Belegar is doing is formally fully within his rights, though it may be culturally questionable.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
Changing vote. Arguments for scouting are convincing.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
Changing vote. Arguments for scouting are convincing.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I mean for all that it's a schism in thought the High King still told his subordinates to support Belegar, their disagreement is in the why. He's still supporting him though.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
In_lurk_shadow
[ ]
- Location
- here and there
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] Karag Nar temple
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
- Location
- Upon the back of the Great A'Tuin
Depending on how much trade increases between the empire and Barak Var I could see the different trade companies banding together to build fortified waystations on the south road while hiring mercenaries to keep them safe and ward off any of the border princes looking to tax them.
We need to get to work with Johann to reverse the ratling gun and slap a pair on each gyrocopter.
- Location
- Austria
Mmhm.
I basically want future to be a mix of what we did in Stirland and in Reclamation: intrigue, gathering intel, figuring out magic and stabbing assholes. All with good bros like Belebro. I do not want to be a mayor or whatnot tbh, magical spymistress Mary Stabbins is a good career IMO.
Changing vote to set of options most likely to net that.
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] Karag Lhune secondary peak
[x] Karag Nar temple
[X] The Grand Abyss
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
- Location
- Romania
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] This is tomorrow's problem. Let the money sit in the King's Armoury for now. Once you've decided what your future will be, then you can decide what to do with the money.
[X] Karag Lhune secondary peak
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with foreign relations, as a Spymaster focused on threats outside the Karak.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
This suggests a future catching up on your pre-existing study topics.
[X] Karag Lhune secondary peak
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with foreign relations, as a Spymaster focused on threats outside the Karak.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
This suggests a future assisting Karak Eight Peaks with its reconquest, as a Spymaster focused on threats within the Karak.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
This suggests a future catching up on your pre-existing study topics.
- Location
- Internet, The
The only item I'd love to get from the dwarves would be their version of a grounding rod.
While they don't need it for the same reason wizards do, they have to have ways to deal with stray dangerous magical phenomena, outside of Kragg scowling at them until they go away. The belt already does this for enemy spells, but not everything will be a targeted spell. Applications would be: The aftermath of enemy miscasts (which could take years to clear up naturally), those natural pools of Dhar that apparently accumulated occasionally, and of course Mathilde's own miscasts.
Basically, what I want is a Spell Eater Rune that can be triggered manually. Maybe remove the part that removes the knowledge of the spell from someones mind, though I'm not sure whether that would apply for miscasts anyway.
[x] Citadel Tower
[x] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[x] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
[x] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
While they don't need it for the same reason wizards do, they have to have ways to deal with stray dangerous magical phenomena, outside of Kragg scowling at them until they go away. The belt already does this for enemy spells, but not everything will be a targeted spell. Applications would be: The aftermath of enemy miscasts (which could take years to clear up naturally), those natural pools of Dhar that apparently accumulated occasionally, and of course Mathilde's own miscasts.
Basically, what I want is a Spell Eater Rune that can be triggered manually. Maybe remove the part that removes the knowledge of the spell from someones mind, though I'm not sure whether that would apply for miscasts anyway.
"powers"
remove the last "and"
I'm just interested in convincing them to abandon their already great positions for Mathilde's personal gain. If I want more Amber mages, I'd suggest telling the Colleges of the wonderful learning opportunities in K8P.
[x] Citadel Tower
[x] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[x] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
[x] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
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Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
IIRC Belegar was apparently in the running when the last High King election came by. When the election was held, Belegar was third in the running after Ungrim.
- Location
- Germany
This expedition has just become even more important. This is a pivotal moment in Dwarven history. Whether Belegar succeeds or fails will determine whether the Dwarves go down a path of reconquest and regrowth or a path of vengeance and doom.
[X] This is Magister Weber's money. Make no attempt to push the funds through any of the available loopholes and spend it all in plain sight of the College. You would be beholden to spend it on ways at least nominally good for the Empire, and soon.
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
I see no contradiction. We get rid off the money by aiding the reconquest of Karak Eight Peaks, which will open trade routes and keep the Dawi from spiralling into depression. This is important to the Empire.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Karag Lhune secondary peak
[X] Citadel Tower
All fine by me.
[ ] The Grand Abyss
This is certainly interesting and if there were a dearth of interesting things to do, I would vote for it. But we don't need more fascinating options, we need a safe place where we can do our research.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
if we want a future helping out Karak Eight Peaks, we will need to get to know the important personages.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
Very enthusiastic scouting is what Mathilde has done best so far, and I would like to continue doing so.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
Maybe the spiders are intelligent. Maybe we can make peace with them. Long shot, but I am willing to take it to keep Fantasy from devolving into 'There is only War'.
[ ] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
I would rather be a sneak and scout than a battlewizard.
[ ] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
Really tempting, but can hopefully be done later.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
Writing on new magical phenomena unknown to the Colleges is an important part of our job. Also more interaction with the Journeymanlings.
[ ] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
We won't start studying the Snake Juice etc. before our tower is finished, so this can wait.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
Mostly approval voting to keep the Amber Journeymanlings around. Finally getting some use out of one of the shinies we picked up is attractive, though.
[ ] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
I really want to, but we have so little time.
[ ] You're going to have a rough time explaining your windfall to the Bursars. Better to get that over with.
Eh. Just spend the money helping the Dwaves, keep the receipts and explain once someone asks.
[X] This is Magister Weber's money. Make no attempt to push the funds through any of the available loopholes and spend it all in plain sight of the College. You would be beholden to spend it on ways at least nominally good for the Empire, and soon.
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
I see no contradiction. We get rid off the money by aiding the reconquest of Karak Eight Peaks, which will open trade routes and keep the Dawi from spiralling into depression. This is important to the Empire.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Karag Lhune secondary peak
[X] Citadel Tower
All fine by me.
[ ] The Grand Abyss
This is certainly interesting and if there were a dearth of interesting things to do, I would vote for it. But we don't need more fascinating options, we need a safe place where we can do our research.
[X] There's a growing concentration of royalty here. Get to know King Kazador, and this 'Sky-Thane' Prince Gotri.
if we want a future helping out Karak Eight Peaks, we will need to get to know the important personages.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
Very enthusiastic scouting is what Mathilde has done best so far, and I would like to continue doing so.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
Maybe the spiders are intelligent. Maybe we can make peace with them. Long shot, but I am willing to take it to keep Fantasy from devolving into 'There is only War'.
[ ] Join Karak Azul as they raid and scout in force the other portions of the Karak.
I would rather be a sneak and scout than a battlewizard.
[ ] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
Really tempting, but can hopefully be done later.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
Writing on new magical phenomena unknown to the Colleges is an important part of our job. Also more interaction with the Journeymanlings.
[ ] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
We won't start studying the Snake Juice etc. before our tower is finished, so this can wait.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
Mostly approval voting to keep the Amber Journeymanlings around. Finally getting some use out of one of the shinies we picked up is attractive, though.
[ ] All this time away has made you miss your friends. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
I really want to, but we have so little time.
[ ] You're going to have a rough time explaining your windfall to the Bursars. Better to get that over with.
Eh. Just spend the money helping the Dwaves, keep the receipts and explain once someone asks.
25 point armour, 25 point weapon, 25 point shield, 25 point talisman would be right on the brink of possibility.
Pempelune
Fanfiction Deep State
He was also fully traditionalist, and controlled only the Citadel (?), so the circumstances are very different.
- Location
- va
[X] This is Dawongr Weber's money. The funds will largely go projects within the Karaz Ankor - your tower for one, but also investing in the Undumgi or Ulrikadrin, or purchasing goods made by Dwarven artisans or sold in the markets of Barak Varr.
[X] This is tomorrow's problem. Let the money sit in the King's Armoury for now. Once you've decided what your future will be, then you can decide what to do with the money.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
[X] This is tomorrow's problem. Let the money sit in the King's Armoury for now. Once you've decided what your future will be, then you can decide what to do with the money.
[X] Karag Nar penthouse
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to hatch the supposedly Lustrian eggs and study and possibly train whatever hatches.
[X] Convince Esbern and Seija to stay long enough to deal with the spiders in the Chiselwards.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
Support, or infiltration?
The quest is still called divided loyalties.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
He competed with Thorgrim who is currently High King, so this presumably has already happened. My point was that they like him enough then, after conquering K8P? They will love him.
Or openly sabotaging an expedition that has had great success in reclaiming an extremely important Karak would be political suicide.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
Mathilde's loyalties are divided: Revanchism is a simple prospect to support, especially when there's been uninterrupted success.
We should probably ask what Ranald would prefer here. Does it serve him best for Mathild to take on the role as local leader of the Cult of Ranald? He has many other priests who could do that. What serve him best is making sure that it's possible to have a community of humans at Karak Eight Peaks at all, and minimising the chance that they'll end up as goblin or skaven gnawed bones is the best way to ensure that happens.
Fundamentally, as long as Karak Eight Peaks is in friendly hands, Mathild will be a VIP. She's well on her way to being personal friends with the dwarven leadership, and she'll be (in)famous amongst the old guard of experienced human settlers who are the heroes of the initial battle. As someone else pointed out, the orc's reaction to her natural 100 dispel looks an awful lot like Shadow battle magic cast on a vast scale, and while very few of the mercenaries that fought here will have seen that in action, one or two probably will, and so the news will spread*. If Mathilde wants to claim the temple of an evil god, even if someone else was foolish enough to occupy it, even a hint should be enough to get it, and not just to curry favour, but when a wizard tells you to move out of a place like that, you don't ask for a second, you move. Adventurers in Warhammer may have their own brand of recklessness, but any surviving ones will be appropriately afraid of the dangers mysterious evil magic.
Althoughter, this ,eans that claiming the temple can be put pretty much at the end of the priority list. We'll probably want to get to it in a couple of years, after a priest of Ranald who can actually run the place and cast the divine ritual required to actually consecrate the place drifts in, but at the moment Mathilde is to busy to establish it,much too busy for the full time job of tending to a congregation, and can't even perform the divine magic required to actually turn it into a real temple. It shouldn't be considered on the same type of list as the options that have actual urgency.
* as a side note, that's a reason to write papers for the College early, to outrun the worst of the gossip.
Yea, the Empire could learn a lot from the example of a fundamental disagreement about basic principles resulting in dispatching a substantial military expedition lead by a prince in support of the other party.
Hmm. That sounds a but risky, even for Mathilde...
Fundamentally, as long as Karak Eight Peaks is in friendly hands, Mathild will be a VIP. She's well on her way to being personal friends with the dwarven leadership, and she'll be (in)famous amongst the old guard of experienced human settlers who are the heroes of the initial battle. As someone else pointed out, the orc's reaction to her natural 100 dispel looks an awful lot like Shadow battle magic cast on a vast scale, and while very few of the mercenaries that fought here will have seen that in action, one or two probably will, and so the news will spread*. If Mathilde wants to claim the temple of an evil god, even if someone else was foolish enough to occupy it, even a hint should be enough to get it, and not just to curry favour, but when a wizard tells you to move out of a place like that, you don't ask for a second, you move. Adventurers in Warhammer may have their own brand of recklessness, but any surviving ones will be appropriately afraid of the dangers mysterious evil magic.
Althoughter, this ,eans that claiming the temple can be put pretty much at the end of the priority list. We'll probably want to get to it in a couple of years, after a priest of Ranald who can actually run the place and cast the divine ritual required to actually consecrate the place drifts in, but at the moment Mathilde is to busy to establish it,much too busy for the full time job of tending to a congregation, and can't even perform the divine magic required to actually turn it into a real temple. It shouldn't be considered on the same type of list as the options that have actual urgency.
* as a side note, that's a reason to write papers for the College early, to outrun the worst of the gossip.
Yea, the Empire could learn a lot from the example of a fundamental disagreement about basic principles resulting in dispatching a substantial military expedition lead by a prince in support of the other party.
Hmm. That sounds a but risky, even for Mathilde...
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
I don't think he's suggesting assassination.
- Location
- Internet, The
@BoneyM, would a "grounding rod" be a thing dwarves could make for Mathilde? It seems logical for me that they could, even if the specific application as a "grounding rod" never came up for them. Bonus points if it's not actually a rod because it works on different principles. A grounding rod that sucks and then disperses magic would be neat, too, though.