None of what you quoted was relevant to what I said though. I said "there's no evidence they're all the epitome of CE, and there are hints that they aren't"
You replied with their troop numbers.
I replied with the troop numbers with Tiamat Clerics. Varys only had plans for freeing Aegon, he didn't have plans for freeing them as well.
No, I'll trust you. I have no memory of this, but I'm sure it happened.
Let me guess : they won a war, captured a pile of prisoners, and sacrificed them all. They probably sold it as "they're our enemies, and we're going to be killing them all anyway, so why not get help out of them?" or "they're Dothraki and outright subhuman" to justify their horrible deeds to themselves.
No. They weren't enemies at all, they were helpless slaves purchased for their bloodlines, and then sacrificed.
Many are the secrets reveled thus under the branches of the Godswood, painting a picture darker than you might have hoped. With the Smith's aid the mortal conspirators, of which Illyrio does not seem to have been the undisputed master, had gained the services of half a dozen mortal mages able to cast spells up to the fourth circle, as well as their own apprentices who are barely at the level of Scholarium initiates.

Of the priests of Tiamat there are four others: two former sellswords who had found in the worship of the Dark Queen the expression of a life time's sadism and two former slaves who were bought among hundreds of others for their bloodlines, though fortune would have it that they heard the voice of the dark goodess and took her into their hearts. So it was that they came to preside over the black altar rather than having their life's blood spilled upon it.

The cause of those rituals is troubling itself, to spin from broken dreams and stuttering hearts a ritual to sunder the chains the Valyrians of old bound their dragons with, to bring into the world once more the true-born children of Tiamat.
Here you feel a measure of disdain from the shadow-weaver's thoughts, not over the act itself but the purpose of the goddess. There does not seem to be any grand plan to the Mother of Wyrms' actions beyond bringing such dragons into the world thus leaving the core of the conspiracy to be shaped by purely mortal hands. Alhyra chafes at being hobbled in her plotting thus, though she has no remorse for unleashing three infant crimson wyrms upon the world before a fourth finally deigned to add itself to the councils of the Golden Company.
My original point was "they probably aren't all mad zealots who will turn against Aegon when Aegon turns on Tiamat". Them becoming Clerics of Tiamat "for the good of the GK, the King and themselves" makes them a lot more likely to keep serving Aegon when he betrays Tiamat. Basically, does their loyalty to Aegon+GK+themselves come first, or does their loyalty to Tiamat come first?
We don't have enough intel to know, but I'm willing to bet you anything that Varys expected to keep a bunch of them. Varys is meant to be wildly ambitious and fixated on certain "truths", but nevertheless be a competent and dangerous enemy. I can't believe he'd be that stupid.

Otherwise, he probably kept some of their hair and blood or something, and would have used one of his arcane casters to kill all the Clerics with blood magic all the day Aegon was to betray Tiamat. Countermeasures, yo!
Yeah, that doesn't really work. You don't just break away from Tiamat of all gods (with her Greed domain being especially relevant) without having some serious countermeasures. Dany had the Unravelling. f!Aegon had Varys' special talisman. The other clerics, even if they want to keep following f!Aegon, will have jack shit.
To each their own. I personally see the Father and his Chosen accepting and trying to reform this redeemed Aegon.
Remember that Varys' plan was to literally die on Aegon's blade. He expected Aegon to kill him, fight off Tiamat's taint, and present himself as a redeemer who was misled, had no choice, and is now trying to redeem himself now that he has a chance to do so.
To each their own. In my eyes Lucan is playing the long game, and he'd be considering what future generations of Westeros would have to deal with under a Blackfyre king, how the religion would adapt, etc. f!Aegon would be facing an uphill battle to be accepted into the fold.
That's where we disagree though. Not only has there been zero indication of devil cultists among the GK (indeed, there are probably none. He was keeping all that separate, remember?), but you forgot another faction : the Golden Company is split between Tiamat cultists and Aegon loyalists. We don't know the relative sizes of each faction or which resources each one set up to take down the other, of course.
Varys keeping them separate is precisely what I'm getting at. f!Aegon isn't even aware of the devil agents running around the main Golden Company -- Varys probably didn't tell him anything. And with the Tiamat cultists vs the Aegon loyalists, I'm putting my bet on the cultists.
I agree that this will be a difficult moment, but I don't think it'll destroy the company either. Not only is it known for its discipline (and currently known for its loyalty to its amazing mage-King leader!) but Tiamat is also an objectively terrible boss that even Dragons don't like.
Even Tiamat is capable of subverting people, in spite of being objectively terrible to work for. Remember how people in Sorcerer's Deep worship Tiamat even now thanks to the early healing Dany performed for them? The Golden Company has had months of that. And leaving the mundane soldiers aside, there's still Abishai, the clerics, and the wyverns to contend with.
On the other hand, we aim to impose vast programs of reform. He doesn't.
He was setting f!Aegon up to be a Hero King, and with that comes the typical duties of sallying off to fight monsters whenever they rear their heads. In Westeros there are fiends, Deep Ones, and Winterborn to contend with. Even with no reforms he would be swamped.
 
That's like, your opinion, man.
I agree, but remember that somehow the world survived without a centralized state and Inquisition. Keeping everyone vigilant and having powerful roaming troubleshooters is an approach that genuinely works across the Planes.

It's inferior to our methods, but it's not a stupid idea. Everyone else seems to do it.

I'd like to point out that the breaking of the spheres makes the PoB vulnerable in a way it never had been before, and that most other planes aren't. Roving bands of fixers work because the points of incursion are mostly occupied by forces that can oust or track them. Part of that is from the nature of how fiends operate, but still.

Here and now there are all kinds of places where they can get in and build up steam. The entire plane of balance has a compromised immune system. Back in the day it wasn't a problem because things like dragons would viciously stomp anything that tried high level shit.

Things are getting better now, but for most of the quest if anyone had managed to kill Viserys/his faction something like three distinct apocalypses would have gone off, not even counting the "minor" infestations like the reach fey that could hypothetically be stopped by someone else and the slow going plots.

If Viserys wasn't around the PoB would be in the same position as heaven; relying on devils to hold back agents of the void and multiple active incursions from the Abyss. I'm not confident that anything else is recovered enough to step into his role yet, even if we were willing to just hand it off to someone else. This might be one of the few circumstances where conquering the world for its own good isn't just an excuse.
 
I'm not confident that anything else is recovered enough to step into his role yet, even if we were willing to just hand it off to someone else. This might be one of the few circumstances where conquering the world for its own good isn't just an excuse.
That may have been true last year, but now do you know who has the personal might and Divination options to act as a troubleshooter?

I hate to say it, but the only non-Imperial option is Lucan and his pet Planetar. Ugh.
 
Agreed. If Viserys and the Imperium were to fall, Lucan would be the next best bet for survival.
You know what would be amazing?

Lucan literally raising Viserys & Companions from the dead during the Long Night. Things have gotten real bad, and he wanted a bit more muscle for the final battle...

I mean, living in a setting where Lucan has taken over would suck for our OOC pride, but I'm sure we'd agree to help him fight the Others anyway.
 
That may have been true last year, but now do you know who has the personal might and Divination options to act as a troubleshooter?

I hate to say it, but the only non-Imperial option is Lucan and his pet Planetar. Ugh.
If Lucan can pull enough angels through to handle stuff like the Oblivion then he has some explaining to do.

He might be the next best bet, but plenty of those threats were full party events. If he can call a celestial army equal to the A party, why is he even afraid of us?
 
You know what would be amazing?

Lucan literally raising Viserys & Companions from the dead during the Long Night. Things have gotten real bad, and he wanted a bit more muscle for the final battle...

I mean, living in a setting where Lucan has taken over would suck for our OOC pride, but I'm sure we'd agree to help him fight the Others anyway.
The best part is that we probably aren't going to die to anything that doesn't also capture our souls or soul-kill us, so Lucan would have to go on an extraplanar quest to bring us back to life.
 
Interlude DLXXXI: Bearing Lead and Oil
Bearing Lead and Oil

Sixteenth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

"Water on your head, fool!" Agha, head of the Ash Bloods and the only sorcerer among them by fate and fortune, cursed long and hard, allowing his power to dance ominously between his fingers even though the rest of the gang, huddled around the dented copper stew pot, knew he would not use it to so much as singe the tip of Sariq's beard. Ash Bloods didn't burn their own, even if they had been damn fools. "I send you to the souk to get lead... not gold, not silver, not even copper, but simple lead, and you use one of our last scrolls charming the merchant to sell it!"

"At least I bought it quick enough to get the job done," the younger man shrugged. "You heard the deal the Stone-Eye gave us, everything we can carry or half again it's worth if he claims it."

The sorcerer sighed, the fire going out in his hands, though his dark eyes still burned with a flame of anger all of their own. "Half again by whose measure I wonder, his? You will not find two merchants in this city who agree on a price even if they had shared a womb. How high do you think he will count the worth of whatever treasure he hopes to get out of the Fakir?"

"He was spending coin like he was afraid it might break in his hands," Tzi called, her voice at once young as the face that looked up from the greased and brightly painted strands of hair and rasping as though with the ravages of age, the last stubborn remnant of a death curse that had almost had her choking to death on her own blood. "He's not going to deal crooked over much that's in that shop. Of course he might kill us all to keep a secret, but surely not for gold."

"You think one stone-eye can take us?" Ironfist demanded, smashing the hook he'd gotten his name from into an inoffensive stone soon shattered in two.

"One Stone-Eye we don't know shit about," Agha took back the attention of the gang. "He could be anyone or anything."

"Maybe it's the Brass Bastard himself come to see if we are keeping his law," Sariq interjected with a hint of his usual brash smile. "We've got the lead and the oil barrels to sneak into the shop once they've been lined with it. Why aren't we moving already?"

"Because our... benefactor offered to help in person along with other allies of his, but they cannot be here for another forty hours," their leader explained, knowing the room would erupt into speculation and suspicion the moment he said it.

"Are you so fucking eager to be right about him bein' a danger that you'd hand him a knife and show our throat?" Ironfist growled again, the Azer's fiery beard looking somehow even more bristly and unkempt.

"We are going to need all the help we can get, and if he's planning treachery... well we can deal with that too, can't we?"

A chorus of grim agreements echoed through the crumbling basement. Come what may the Ash Bloods would be ready.

OOC: Really short because the battle's coming up and I can't roll that at his hour. Hopefully this gives some idea of your new allies character and motivations.
 
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It'd be hilarious if Maelor decided to recruit this gang as his personal minions. He's said before he wants his own city to rule one day.
 
Are they seriously planning to sneak in in lead-lined barrels?
That's amazingly ballsy and low-tech for a high magic city. I love it!
 
Oh fuck let's hope sneaking in works better for these theives than the ones who had to deal with Morgana, Ali Baba's supremely competent slave
 
Are they seriously planning to sneak in in lead-lined barrels?
That's amazingly ballsy and low-tech for a high magic city. I love it!
People will adapt, anywhere. It's like with prisons, in a way. Eventually alcohol and drugs will get in there, and a black market will form in just about any slum similarly.

Edit: Or in a military outfit, you'll find people using standard issue gear for non-standard purposes... which is a bit more relevant, come to think of it.
 
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Bearing Lead and Oil

Sixteenth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

"Water on your head, fool!" Agha, head of the Ash Bloods and the only sorcerer among them by fate and fortune, cursed long and hard, allowing his power to dance ominously between his fingers even though the rest of the gang, huddled around the dented copper stew pot, knew he would not use it to so much as singe the tip of Sariq's beard. Ash Bloods didn't burn their own, even if they had been damn fools. "I send you to the souk to get lead... not gold, not silver, not even copper, but simple lead and you use one of our last scrolls charming the merchant to sell it!"

"At least I bought it quick enough to get the job done" the younger man shrugged. "You heard the deal the stone-eye gave us, everything we can carry or half again it's worth if he claims it."

The sorcerer sighed, the fire going out in his hands, though his dark eyes still burned with a flame of anger all of their own. "Half again by whose measure, I wonder. His? You will not find two merchants in this city who agree on a price even if they had shared a womb. How high do you think he will count the worth of whatever treasure he hopes to get out of the Fakir?"

"He was spending coin like he was afraid it might break in his hands," Tzi called, her voice at once young as the face that looked up from the greased and brightly painted strands of hair and rasping as though with the ravages of age, the last stubborn remnant of a death curse that had almost had her choking to death on her own blood. "He's not going to deal crooked over much that's in that shop. Of course, he might kill us all to keep a secret, but surely not for gold."

"You think one stone-eye can take us?" Ironfist demanded, smashing the hook he'd gotten his name from into an inoffensive stone, which soon shattered from the attention.

"One stone-eye we don't know shit about," Agha took back the attention of his gang. "He could be anyone or anything."

"Maybe it's the Brass Bastard himself come to see if we are keeping his law," Sariq interjected with a hint of his usual brash smile. "We've got the lead and the oil barrels to sneak into the shop once they've been lined with it. Why aren't we moving already?"

"Because our... benefactor offered to help in person, along with other allies of his, but they cannot be here for another forty hours," their leader explained, knowing the room would erupt into speculation and suspicion the moment he said it.

"Are you so fucking eager to be right about him bein' a danger that you'd hand him a knife and show our throat?" Ironfist growled again, the azer's fiery beard looking somehow even more bristly and unkempt.

"We are going to need all the help we can get, and if he's planning treachery... well, we can deal with that too, can't we?"

A chorus of grim agreements echoed through the crumbling basement. Come what may, the Ash Bloods would be ready.

OOC: Really short because the battle's coming up and I can't roll that at his hour. Hopefully this gives some idea of your new allies character and motivations.
Made a couple edits to the chapter, DP.

This is great. A small, street level gang will be perfect to subvert for our purposes.
 
He was spending coin like he was afraid it might break in his hands
...Ironic.
Are they seriously planning to sneak in in lead-lined barrels?
That's amazingly ballsy and low-tech for a high magic city. I love it!
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
...I think I can pull for the stats for Pathfinder Godzilla. Hold on.

Edit: Here you go.
Still not thick enough!

Do we have the actions to start up some housing projects? Having our subjects be homeless offends me, both on a moral level and a "my empire is shinier than yours" level.
We are literally raising the slums of Bravos from the sea and turning them into multistory condos. I'm sure we make them even more spacious if they are rural.
 
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We are housing people the quickest way possible, which is still slow enough that it only reaches dozens of thousands of people each month. And that's about the limit, tbqh. It is hard to leverage industry, even magic, out in the boonies and rural countryside.

We have been encouraging and helping people from overpopulated, underdeveloped areas immigrate to Sorcerer's Deep and our colonies, because it is easier to centralize housing development projects, and it also snowballs our industries centered on those areas even further.
 
We are housing people the quickest way possible, which is still slow enough that it only reaches dozens of thousands of people each month. And that's about the limit, tbqh. It is hard to leverage industry, even magic, out in the boonies and rural countryside.

We have been encouraging and helping people from overpopulated, underdeveloped areas immigrate to Sorcerer's Deep and our colonies, because it is easier to centralize housing development projects, and it also snowballs our industries centered on those areas even further.
On a related note, we should have our friendly neighborhood coatl god involved with this somehow. He gets strength passively from good deeds done in his name, and possibly by those affiliated with him( given the amount of favor we have despite not acting in his name).

Even something as simple as having his symbol serve as a stand in for a Red Cross should be a big old shot of divine steroids we barely have to do anything to get. Even better if we add a prayer/benediction as a part of the inscription.

Letting knowledge of his existence and personal impact on people come through their exposure to charity and economic development would probably help get him proper worshippers as well.

A bit of a long term thing, but it'll probably be worth it. Just imagine Zathir getting juiced up on the glorious imperial social safety net and punching out a full blooded Other.
 
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