You all shit-talk Varys, but his plan was fairly solid. It was very daring of course (it had to be, considering his position) but the Fourten managed even crazier shit with even worse allies and against an even stronger opposition, using similar methods.
Sure, his plan relies rather heavily on a few battles going his way, but so do ours after all...

Basically, while I wouldn't have wanted to ally with Varys, it was mostly due to differing priorities and conflicting goals.
Killing him was fun, too.
His plan involved inviting every evil god he could into the world, banking on them focusing on each other instead of him, and then furthermore banking on his pet Blackfyre managing to kill us and sweep the evil gods away.

That's not "daring", that's actual insanity.
 
You all shit-talk Varys, but his plan was fairly solid. It was very daring of course (it had to be, considering his position) but the Fourten managed even crazier shit with even worse allies and against an even stronger opposition, using similar methods.
Sure, his plan relies rather heavily on a few battles going his way, but so do ours after all...

Basically, while I wouldn't have wanted to ally with Varys, it was mostly due to differing priorities and conflicting goals.
Killing him was fun, too.
The difference between Varys and the Fourteen is that one of them is an Rouge while the other are a group of epic level casters capable of rending reality. Not to mention they weren't trying to play two gods against one another.
 
We beat her, needed her help against her mother, let her go for no particular reason, met her a year or so later again in Mantarys and convinced her to work for us.


When we first met him it was a bit difficult to get along, the formal beating and recruiting happened later.

Originally he was supposed to be Damphair's sidekick/mount, but he beat the Deep One mindcontrol and agreed to help us for vengance and a load of money.


True, but it was partially because of luck. He might have been released earlier on a few occasions and then likely would have been our enemy.


We had to capture her alive to do so, which is hard for undead.


Yes, but she was still designed as a miniboss should we have clashed with Zherys on our first Volantis visit.
We just managed to diplomance her away.
So the theme is that we kick the shit out of her and then recruit her or she surrenders and then we recruit her...amazing. Things I compromise on. As long as it ain't an entire update dedicated to her or if it is it is us flaying her verbally for the utter fuck that is Tywin and his nonsense.
 
I thought they messed around with Ashmodeus after the whole Fuck Tiamat incident. Was Asmodeus involved?
They allied with Devils during the rebellion against the Red Dragons, but then that bit them in the ass when the Fifteenth failed to absorb Tiamat's power while ascending to godhood and made a deal with Asmodeus to save himself, ultimately leading to the Doom.

They got a temporary victory at best, and Asmodeus came out on top.
 
I thought they messed around with Ashmodeus after the whole Fuck Tiamat incident. Was Asmodeus involved?
Yes, from early on.

Even while the Dragon's reign was unquestioned the resistance used Devils as messengers and aid.
The whole thing was corrupted even as it started.

And later, at some unspecified point the 15 made deals with Asmodeus, then broke them with divine power stolen from Tiamat, with only #15 bitching out and calling on Asmodeus for help because he couldn't handle the divine juice and was about to explode in body and soul.
 
They allied with Devils during the rebellion against the Red Dragons, but then that bit them in the ass when the Fifteenth failed to absorb Tiamat's power while ascending to godhood and made a deal with Asmodeus to save himself, ultimately leading to the Doom.

They got a temporary victory at best, and Asmodeus came out on top.
So the theme is don't do devils kids? Or is it don't have weak friends when trying to scam a god?
 
14 Mythic Dragons on the cusp of divinity could totally wreck enough shit to tear away a soul from hell and reconstitute such.
 
The real reason Varys was crazy wasn't just how he went about doing his plan, it was what his plan was. Raise the One True King TM, put him on the throne, never mind how many super Evils you need to make deals with and then betray... And then what? The whole reason you're making so many dangerous bets here is that you have no power. So after he's on the throne and you betray everybody (and boy are they going to be pissed, even if you get away with it in the immediate sense), how the hell are you going to hold it?

Basically, this is correct:
The difference between Varys and the Fourteen is that one of them is an Rogue while the other are a group of epic level casters capable of rending reality.
All that matters is power, and Varys didn't have it. Trying to improvise is nice, but at the end of the day you need substance to back your clever ploys.
 
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Yep, she gets one chance. We issue a surrender or die statement. If she doesn't heed it and turn on Tywin immediately, she dies.
She gets a talk if she kills Tywin before we get around to Westeros in earnest.
Should be around two months?

iirc Volantys, Ghis and Golden Company are planned in those two months.
 
His plan involved inviting every evil god he could into the world, banking on them focusing on each other instead of him, and then furthermore banking on his pet Blackfyre managing to kill us and sweep the evil gods away.

That's not "daring", that's actual insanity.
His plan involved inviting 2 evil gods into the world, while empowering a Good one and strengthening his forces. Meanwhile he was also playing the evil ones off one another, and he had enough intel and power to easily cripple Tiamat's followers if needed.

Honestly, Varys had a pile of successes:
  • He managed to power-level Aegon and his Companions rather well. He also did a good job recruiting powerful casters.
  • He made Aegon's faction very resilient, with multiple backup fortresses that even Viserys the Dragon King is afraid of attacking head-on (shadow plane, undead...) and that aren't in Tiamat's Power. Seriously, while he's used Tiamat in the past, his faction isn't all Clerics of Tiamat. If they all rebel, they have enough Arcane casters and gear to make it out. And they'll probably love crafting all those Dragon and Demon corpses into useful stuff!
  • He made (well, helped make) the followers of the Seven strong, angry, and kept them aimed well off him.
  • His web of intrigue was amazing, obviously.
  • While he did spread devils around, they were stuck fighting every other faction. We don't know if he set Chosen against them or anything, but the "let other factions keep the devils in check" plan was actually working fine. You all call him insane, but results speak for themselves!
Long-term, here's how things could have gone right for him:
  • Devils fail to conquer the world (duh, literally everyone was against them and they kept losing big pieces. And check out the kind of absolute monster Outsiders the Chosen have on hand!). While devils have had years to set up small plots, backups and minor cults ready to bring the fight back, Varys has spent ages making the Faith stronger and radicalizing the population. It's harder to set up devil cults when the countryside is full of zealous Seven-worshippers.
  • His plans to kill us and Companions one by one were stupid. His plan to kill us all together was "when Viserys next attacks, bring enough Aegon-followers to make it a CR-appropriate encounter and pop out a whole second CR-appropriate encounter of mighty devils". That stood a real chance of killing us and taking our soul, especially if Aegon really is a counterspell-focused Cleric.
  • His plan to backstab Tiamat was simple enough: just backstab the Tiamat-minions you have on hand, it'll work. She's been terrible at force concentration so far, and while leaving various Bitch Queen minions scattered around the setting is a long-term risk, a potential Stronk Faith (tm) could easily have taken them down. They have Planetars and mighty Chosen, after all. And Aegon & Co are strong PCs with appropriate gear, too.
These steps were all risky, but they weren't nearly as insane as you're all making him sound. He was desperate and risk-taking, not incompetent.

Of course his inability to chill out and accept us as King was what made him truly mad. We basically are what he wants to mould F!Aegon into, after all.

The difference between Varys and the Fourteen is that one of them is an Rouge while the other are a group of epic level casters capable of rending reality. Not to mention they weren't trying to play two gods against one another.
That's shitty logic though. Varys had access to magic easily (huge wealth, UMD, interplanar trading) and Varys had access to multiple spellcasters over level 10.

Meanwhile the Fourteen explicitly were pitting two Gods against one another. Remember their backstory? They used Hell to Fight Tiamat and her empire of Great Wyrms, and then once Hell was locally weakened they betrayed it, killed a pile of devils (that they probably stacked on top of their pile of Dragons), ascended to Godhood and built their own Empire on top of the ashes. Meanwhile neither Tiamat nor Asmodeus was in charge, and it worked fine for eons.

Sure, eventually things went to shit, but that wasn't really their fault at all. The waning of magic definitely fucked them over (it created a huge, single point of vulnerability that was somehow used against them to affect all magic and make it all explode/burn/DOOM) and the 15th fucking them over also wasn't their fault. Shitty Companion right there.

They allied with Devils during the rebellion against the Red Dragons, but then that bit them in the ass when the Fifteenth failed to absorb Tiamat's power while ascending to godhood and made a deal with Asmodeus to save himself, ultimately leading to the Doom.

They got a temporary victory at best, and Asmodeus came out on top.
Their "temporary" victory lasted longer than any other Empire ever (Yi-Ti is a pile of Empires wearing the same coat, not one Empire). AFAIK it lasted for literal millenia, which is simply insane (especially compared to IRL ones!).

And Duesal, "it didn't end well for them" is a terrible argument. Our Empire probably won't end well either - that's the point of Empire-endings. Eventually the unthinkable happens, and after ages of WINNING you somehow lose. It sucks.
 
Should be around two months?
More like four.
Volantis swears to us until this month ends, and it'll take 1-2 months to take GC out of the picture if all goes fine -

but we'll have to tie down Illithids with PoW mercenaries and Gith forces for long enough to take Westeros.

Ideally, we destroy the infantry-producing facility ourselves...
and have Gith push squids everywhere else for about a month or two..?

Only, they pointedly agreed to a very different sort of deal.

So, it will likely be an amassed assault and us destroying everything we can, Overmind of theirs included.


Bottom line, we need to deal with Slavers Bay now too, what with Asmodeus being there.
 
She gets a talk if she kills Tywin before we get around to Westeros in earnest.
Should be around two months?

iirc Volantys, Ghis and Golden Company are planned in those two months.

It'll be longer than that. Fourth month of 294 AC at the earliest is when we invade. And that's still cutting it a mite close.
 
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Part MMMLXVI: Of Lingering Flames and Vengeance Laid to Rest
Of Lingering Flames and Vengeance Laid to Rest

Twenty-Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

You briefly consider asking for any other knowledge 'that is no secret' which she might be of a mind to share. However that is too much of a delicate dance to play with a foe, as the Muse has admitted herself to be. Better to leave the door to a shift in allegiance ajar, be it even a finger's breadth than risk it slamming shut by some misstep upon oaths you know nothing of.

"This has been a pleasant conversation, my lady, but I fear that given your current position your presence in Lys, or indeed anywhere else within my realm, would cause complications on both our parts." Though the words are an obvious threat, you deliver them with courtesy, something that seems to be appreciated to judge from the slight lightening of the Fey Lady's expression. "Mayhap she is simply glad you will let her leave here alive," Varys hisses in your mind.

"I would have done so in any case," you reply simply. "Breaking promises, much less parley, is a poor habit to be getting into. Nothing about the current circumstances makes it seem even remotely worth considering." Once you might have refrained from adding the last part, but you remember well the deed that led to Bloodraven losing his power as Hand and his honor in the eyes of his fellow lords to break the back of the Blackfyre Rebellion. Hopefully you shall never stand where he was then, but should the day come you would choose as he did.

The Fey Lady nods as she rises gracefully from her seat and the Sprites begin their dance again. "I cannot wish you farewell, King of Men, though I can say at least that I wish our next meeting will be as courteous as this," she proclaims.

Motes of light dance faster and faster in complex patterns until they blur together in a single fiery radiance. For the briefest moment you glimpse a corridor of flame-kissed obsidian and molten gold through a arch of light. More than an error, surely, that you should see the halls of Ymeri, you think, considerably more at ease with your choice to let the envoy leave in peace.

"What are you still doing here?" Ser Richard growls, looking up at a single Flame-Sprite still hanging in the air amid the fading of her fellows' passage.

"I choose to remain and my lady graciously allowed it," the tiny Fey replies boldly.

"As simple as that, was it?" you ask, having learned again of late if it was even necessary that small size does not necessarily mark weakness in the deathless Fey. "Are you not bound to the same power she is?"

"I am as far beneath the Queen's gaze as a grain of sand is beneath the eye of the tallest of peaks," the Sprite replies. "But I do not ask that you take my word for it. Divine my future and search my thoughts if you will, I have nothing to hide."

Though taken momentarily aback by the quick offer to reveal her thoughts, you are certainly not inclined to refuse.

You feel complete sincerity, and no desire to betray you, but you feel other things as well. Curiosity... trepidation... ambition...

Though of course never told in so many words, the tiny Fey perceives herself as a messenger, though her erstwhile lady may have more to say to you in the days and months to come, though also the simple relief to be away from the perils of Ymeri's court where the smaller and weaker members are so easily burned at the whim of the greater.

For the sake of certainty you seek out Vee and ask of Yss' belt if the Sprite might be an unwitting pawn in the plans of the Lady of Cinders... Thankfully you find that she is not.

Gained 1 Flame-Spawned Sprite

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Twenty-Ninth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

It is about an hour past midnight when Glyra half-leaps, half-floats through your window with news from Lys, the best news you could have had. She had not only found the killers, but they had been dealt with between Malarys, Rina, and the Harbinger. It seems that a company made up of kith and kin of those who had suffered from Fey bargains, who had taken to calling themselves 'the Unbroken', decided that the only way to pay back their sorrows was in blood and death. You would have expected such an attempt to end in nothing but death and indeed it had... the first few times.

"There was this Tombstone Fairy that kept bringing them all back every time and sending them after her enemies," Glyra explains, going on to account how the macabre Fey commanded the dead first by means of soul-bound shrouds, then by subtler manipulations until they thought it something akin to an avenging angel, a patron of their cause. "'Course a lot of 'em burned out from all the raisings, but there was always more with a taste for blood and vengeance." Anger briefly flares in Glyra's leaf-green eyes, followed by a spark of dark humor and a smile that would not have looked out of place on her when you had first met her at Sweetsprings. "The Harbinger just sort of stood there ignoring the corpse-raiser's magic for a bit, then it squished him good and proper."

Gained Tombstone Fairy Corpse (CR 9; 15 HD)

"And what happened to the rest of these foolish would-be avengers?" you ask, relieved that the matter had been solved so quickly.

"Taken in by the Lawmen," Glyra shrugs, obviously not interested enough to pay much attention to that part of the events.

What do you do next?

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OOC: There we go, I rolled the murders in the background since I know you guys were getting bored of Lys, and in any case the ones assigned to the job were more than up to the task of what was effectively just a loose end to the greater Dewchaser plot.
 
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It'll be longer than that. Fourth month of 294 AC at the earliest is when we invade. And that's still cutting it a mite close.
I'm pretty sure that would still be going over the "one year's time" we promised our vassals long time ago, wouldn't it?

We better have a decent speech ready for them on the matter of "why haven't you reconquested yet?!".

Or, you know, have them look again at all the books I'm having us send them next month, and forcing them to read through.

I think those will lead to some existential crisis, but much fewer questions on "where's Viserys?" :V
 
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Welp, time to go.


Really looking forward to the rumor mill. Our newspaper will likely have made some serious stirs.
 
I'm pretty sure that would still be going over the "one year's time" we promised our vassals long time ago, wouldn't it?

We better have a decent speech ready for them on the matter of "why haven't you reconquested yet?!".

Or, you know, have them look again at all the books I'm having us send them next month, and forcing them to read through.

I think those will lead to some existential crisis, but much fewer questions on "where's Viserys?" :V

No, DP extended that timeline since it wasn't accounting for the new system for raising troops and taking research actions at the time.
 
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