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Huh. I had no idea that was even a thing.
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- a song of ice and fire a sword without a hilt d&d 3.5 dungeons & dragons 100% high octane dragon fuel ave corvidae battle action dragon diplomacy best sister bureaucromancy delicious soul-stuff dragon dreams come true dragon ta'veren greatest uncle hubris is a coward's word in defiance of gods and men mammon's folly mutually assured mage's disjunction qm murderhobo top tier coatl
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I can see it now, but I don't get it.
Chameleon is limited to 6th level spells, Factotum to 7ths, where the hell do the 9th come from?
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I'm also a bit confused that Mind Blank is ninth level in there, @TalonofAnathrax.
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It's later mentioned there where 3 Asurenda in the CoB, we killed one already.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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"Hubris is a coward's word".
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]I think we should try to gun for those Asurendas if we can, if only so we can bleed Brazen Trone of allies.
We can probably even manage them if we get a True Name, Snare+Viserys+Lya=bullshit.
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Nice. Two to go. We'll no doubt end up facing them eventually given that they're parked in the city we intend to destroy.
We could, but it certainly isn't something we should do lightly, especially since Asurendras are a special brand of bullshit. We got lucky because this one happened to be mundane. They have the ability to specialize into some very annoying abilities."Hubris is a coward's word".
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I think we should try to gun for those Asurendas if we can, if only so we can bleed Brazen Trone of allies.
We can probably even manage them if we get a True Name, Snare+Viserys+Lya=bullshit.
- I'll have the XP next update
- It's the two remaining asurendra in addition to whoever's organizing the div creation process on the Efreeti's side.
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On a side note, @DragonParadox, can we please assume we followed standard looting protocol and managed to loot all of the Asurendra's blood?
With that we will have the blood of the Aspect of Mammon, the blood of the Maharaja Rakshasa, and the blood of the Asurendra Asura. Three different kinds of Archfiends, with gallons of pure blood from each.
With that we will have the blood of the Aspect of Mammon, the blood of the Maharaja Rakshasa, and the blood of the Asurendra Asura. Three different kinds of Archfiends, with gallons of pure blood from each.
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Weirdly enough all LE.
Maybe Azel's rivals that he directed in our path to get killed?
I would not say galons , most of the blood is still in the body, but yes you scooped up the blood too.
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It was a Large body. It's not unreasonable for us to have gotten gallons.
If the body had been allowed to bleed out longer sure, but Viserys grabbed it almost instantly.
Anyway guys, some more votes so I can do that shopping interlude would be nice.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Why argue, the less blood it bled, the more blood is still in the body, considering we have the body, it's really no difference whether the blood is inside or outside the body.
If we want more blood we just tap it from the body, taking too much might lower its worth for other purposes, but that would be the case if it had lost it before dead too.
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[X] Duesal
Basically with Residual Magic (requires you be level 9 and have maxxed Spellcraft, too), Heighten Spell and Sanctum Spell, you can take Extra Slot to get 9ths.
I mean, I would take this build even if ROB rejected that cheese (it has a strong chassis, a lot of skills, and Chameleon is great for Gishes around level 10), but if I have the option to burn 6 feats to get a few 9ths at low CL, I will take it.
In any case one of those 9ths is from the floating feat, so I could always just cast it from a level 8 slot.
Or I could cast a Heightened Mind Blank. Whatever, it works.
In any case, even without the cheese to get 9ths, this is a build with a decent chassis (Divine Power can help with the BaB, buffs and items can help with AC), very good utility and skills, and also great magic item crafting if needed. Honestly, it can do basically everything with a little forewarning. Even trapfinding!
And the next few levels will all be significant power boosts. Sure it'll lag a little behind full casters at high level, but it's something I'd be fine living with.
Breadth, not depth.
Of course it isn't optimized to the fullest. I could have dipped Focused Specialist Abrupt Jaunt Conjurer Wizard, Beguiler, and Cleric instead of these much weaker classes. But I wanted to stick to the "Chameleon sworn to Viserys" theme, you see. No other spellcasting, varied abilities that are all skillmonkeys or dragon-related...
Pure unadulterated cheese.
Basically with Residual Magic (requires you be level 9 and have maxxed Spellcraft, too), Heighten Spell and Sanctum Spell, you can take Extra Slot to get 9ths.
I mean, I would take this build even if ROB rejected that cheese (it has a strong chassis, a lot of skills, and Chameleon is great for Gishes around level 10), but if I have the option to burn 6 feats to get a few 9ths at low CL, I will take it.
I thought you could use a higher-level slot to cast a lower-level spell? Or is that only for Sorcerers?
In any case one of those 9ths is from the floating feat, so I could always just cast it from a level 8 slot.
Or I could cast a Heightened Mind Blank. Whatever, it works.
In any case, even without the cheese to get 9ths, this is a build with a decent chassis (Divine Power can help with the BaB, buffs and items can help with AC), very good utility and skills, and also great magic item crafting if needed. Honestly, it can do basically everything with a little forewarning. Even trapfinding!
And the next few levels will all be significant power boosts. Sure it'll lag a little behind full casters at high level, but it's something I'd be fine living with.
Breadth, not depth.
Of course it isn't optimized to the fullest. I could have dipped Focused Specialist Abrupt Jaunt Conjurer Wizard, Beguiler, and Cleric instead of these much weaker classes. But I wanted to stick to the "Chameleon sworn to Viserys" theme, you see. No other spellcasting, varied abilities that are all skillmonkeys or dragon-related...
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I can see it now, you can cast spells that technically count as 10th level spells, so you can get 9th level extra-slots.
I think that's terrible and should not be allowed.
But for our world here my opinion doesn't matter, DPs does. And he already ruled way back in Braavos that a Metamagiced Fireball does not count as a higher spell for the purpose of Fiery Burst, so I doubt this would be allowed either.
Also keep in mind that you can level further, does this build scale well?
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Why settle for asurendas when there are perfectly useful asuara ranas out there for the taking?"Hubris is a coward's word".
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I think we should try to gun for those Asurendas if we can, if only so we can bleed Brazen Trone of allies.
We can probably even manage them if we get a True Name, Snare+Viserys+Lya=bullshit.
Btw, I had a dream that we broke out of the primeval pact by finding a loophole that souls could only be collected on the justification that Baator could make then into more effective soldiers for the blood war, but our own forces had exceeded the average strength of what could be expected out of a recently formed devil.
It won't work like that outside my dreams, but I do hope the day comes when we can outlawyer Asmodeus.
Unfortunately we later got fucked when we fed an artifact of Sseth to Yss and it gained control of it's avatar, but we managed to defeat it and Yss was about to consume the Divine essence of his enemy when I woke up.
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So, a little off topic, but all of this talk about interplanetary stuff and visiting the moon got me thinking. How do you suppose the Moonsingers, and their goddess, would react to us setting up a temple complex for them on the moon and setting the teleport circle in their SD temple (possibly the moon pool itself) ?
Following naturally from that, supposing we actually pull it off, what if Viserys and Lya hold get married on the moon? Hell, we might be able to get the Moonsinger's goddess to officiate the ceremony herself in exchange for the prestige gain from being the only moon deity with a lunar temple.
If we transmit the ceremony via mirror we might be able to short out Essos's bullshit meter. The additional competition for the various shitty gods would also be a plus.
Following naturally from that, supposing we actually pull it off, what if Viserys and Lya hold get married on the moon? Hell, we might be able to get the Moonsinger's goddess to officiate the ceremony herself in exchange for the prestige gain from being the only moon deity with a lunar temple.
If we transmit the ceremony via mirror we might be able to short out Essos's bullshit meter. The additional competition for the various shitty gods would also be a plus.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Alright, here's my tenative proposition for 11th month...
Research Actions:
(full list - here)
Intrigue:
(Reasoning: I trust the Feylord to be able to run circles around GCs without being noticed, Azema can do her job well enough, and Nuri is the main plant we have there, while Tyene is both a firepower provider, and capable of being very sneaky).
(Reasoning: We need to intervene there, but we can't do it via military yet. So, Intrigue-spam seems the way to slow Asmodeus down)
(Reasoning: We just need relevant data on numbers and force-composition, not great secrets. I think they can do that well enough..?)
(Reasoning: Anu helped make that fortress, and Shadow!Tor was made to find us a way in. Now it's time for us to utilise them both to get detailed plan around the defenses GC and Timmie set there).
ADVENTURE!:
(post with all the avaliable locations - here)
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@Crake, I'm horrible at discerning which provinces we can apply, and which we can't, in order to fuck with Asmodeus in Slavers' Bay. Feel free to add their Intrigue Actions on top, if any - we surely won't lack in opposition on that front.
@Goldfish, I would apprecaite help on better placing of people around the "Intrigue"-actions, I tried to assign people around that seemingly would fit the tasks... but I'm not sure if I've got nearly enough on things that aren't "Fuck you, Asmodeus!". And even there.
@Duesal, what was the name of Lady Saenna's Daughter, the one that, iirc, should be avaliable as a Researcher to us now?
Also, how many months did our grand-grand...-uncle, that Syrax' cleric--turned lich--turned alive-- ask from us after we returned him to life?
He wanted to rest for a while, but I can't find for how long :/
In general, I'm also not the person to ask for whom to send on "Adveture!"-actions, beyond vague guesses which I gave here.
I think those are kinda important to do still, there's certainly something brewing in Hardhome, asshole Fey make CoS' narrative stronger, the Beastbreaker may be a danger or an asset, and I'd rather not have Crowls dungeon-delve alone Beyond the Wall nowadays.
@everyone, please give feedback. This is basically turn-planning here, and even preliminary as it is, it's better to have some idea on what we'll be doing.
Research Actions:
(full list - here)
Researcher: Qyburn.
Researcher: Valeria Wondersmith.
Researcher: Volantine Mysterium/Scholarum Branch.
Researcher: Tyroshi Scholarum branch and Naria Loreseeker OR Lya if several bodies are ready and allow for that and the "A Dragon Chained" to be done at the same time.
Researcher: Sorcerer's Deep Scholarum Branch and Mercy of the Soul.
Researcher: Dany and Lya.
Researcher: Svitran, Velen, Mantarys Scholarum branch
Researcher: Lady Saenna
Intrigue:
Assets: Tyene, Nuri, Azema, Orphne Feylord
(Reasoning: I trust the Feylord to be able to run circles around GCs without being noticed, Azema can do her job well enough, and Nuri is the main plant we have there, while Tyene is both a firepower provider, and capable of being very sneaky).
Assets: Garin, Glyra and the Roaming Chaos, Kira Windgraced, Tuin and Morwyn (Drow Assasin brothers),
(Reasoning: We need to intervene there, but we can't do it via military yet. So, Intrigue-spam seems the way to slow Asmodeus down)
Assets: Aradia the Huntress, Mereth and Erynies, Construct Ravens.
(Reasoning: We just need relevant data on numbers and force-composition, not great secrets. I think they can do that well enough..?)
Assets: Anu, Shadow Tor
(Reasoning: Anu helped make that fortress, and Shadow!Tor was made to find us a way in. Now it's time for us to utilise them both to get detailed plan around the defenses GC and Timmie set there).
ADVENTURE!:
(post with all the avaliable locations - here)
Assets: Viserys, Zherys, ??
Assets: Misfits and Thoros
Assets: Relath, Viserys, ??
Vee, ??
Assets: Viserys, Soft Strider, ??
Assets: Xor, Sandor Danar and Alyssa Crowl.
Assets: Lots of minor PCs we have, can't know quite well which, @Goldfish would judge better.
Assets: Melisande, Amrelath
@Crake, I'm horrible at discerning which provinces we can apply, and which we can't, in order to fuck with Asmodeus in Slavers' Bay. Feel free to add their Intrigue Actions on top, if any - we surely won't lack in opposition on that front.
@Goldfish, I would apprecaite help on better placing of people around the "Intrigue"-actions, I tried to assign people around that seemingly would fit the tasks... but I'm not sure if I've got nearly enough on things that aren't "Fuck you, Asmodeus!". And even there.
@Duesal, what was the name of Lady Saenna's Daughter, the one that, iirc, should be avaliable as a Researcher to us now?
Also, how many months did our grand-grand...-uncle, that Syrax' cleric--turned lich--turned alive-- ask from us after we returned him to life?
He wanted to rest for a while, but I can't find for how long :/
In general, I'm also not the person to ask for whom to send on "Adveture!"-actions, beyond vague guesses which I gave here.
I think those are kinda important to do still, there's certainly something brewing in Hardhome, asshole Fey make CoS' narrative stronger, the Beastbreaker may be a danger or an asset, and I'd rather not have Crowls dungeon-delve alone Beyond the Wall nowadays.
@everyone, please give feedback. This is basically turn-planning here, and even preliminary as it is, it's better to have some idea on what we'll be doing.
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- Mexico
Could we get someone to poke at the Dornish portals? A portal that connects Dorne to Dorne in this day and age would cause more trouble than it solves.
But if we could sever the connection and then use the strands to connect Dorne to say, Yi-ti or Sallosh...
It's not urgent, but I want stable primer material-prime material portals and we have one to investigate.
But if we could sever the connection and then use the strands to connect Dorne to say, Yi-ti or Sallosh...
It's not urgent, but I want stable primer material-prime material portals and we have one to investigate.
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Aenie Caleris. She specializes in research in the Dreamlands.