Revenge is an... Interesting idea isn't it? Mmm.
I believe the idea was to get the chosen or the gods themselves to assuage the old gods wrath? Where able anyway. I imagine Danelle would be on board with a plan that inconveniences her in exchange for hundreds of lives.
One of the biggest issue is Danelle would need strict terms. A promise that "yes, this is the last drop of blood were gonna spill. We're both done." Since it would be mega easy to just keep revenge killing each other forever.
It was. And if it worked we could pull it off. But I full expect that Lucan would not want to. Frankly speaking that is my reading on the guy.
I believe the idea was to get the chosen or the gods themselves to assuage the old gods wrath? Where able anyway. I imagine Danelle would be on board with a plan that inconveniences her in exchange for hundreds of lives.
She would, Can you say the same for Lucan? He is the issue here. Hence why many of us would prefer for him to die. He is the main issue, in many people eyes to peace.
One of the biggest issue is Danelle would need strict terms. A promise that "yes, this is the last drop of blood were gonna spill. We're both done." Since it would be mega easy to just keep revenge killing each other forever.
We can't promise that. If a revolt happen because of the Seven, which it could, we are going to have to shed blood. At best we can say we will try not to shed blood unless absolutely necessary.
Blood sacrifice and necromancy are evil. So is murder. So is dissecting corpses to get life saving medical knowledge. That's where the "lawful" part of lawful good comes in. Reasons matter. If you have enough charisma anyway.
Yeah sure. Reasons matter. If there was something completely abhorrent to you would you be okay with working with a person who does it for a good reason? Either way our reason isn't exactly good. I mean most of it is power, part of it is convenience for destroying an enemy who is annoying and part of it is just plain ease.
They aren't even inherently evil energy aligned anymore! We researched that away. Hell, given the state of the afterlife this knowledge is basically necessary.
You are thinking in terms of alignment. It is still wrong to bring corpses back to life in a macabre fashion. Oh we pushed the Evil away doesn't change that fact. Necromancy in terms of Undead, which we research is wrong, and frankly our reasons aren't really that good.
Lucan is less rigidly bound to his principals than Yrael was, by a wide margin. Mortal VS Celestial
You realize that people can be more stubborn than Celestials right? You realize that right? Also his principles come from religion with gods that are real. No way he will bend there. I just dont see it.
That isn't the point, and getting him to flex on his principals isn't our goal here. He can believe whatever he wants, getting him focus 100% on shiving targets we want dead, and not us long enough to flip all the other chosen and work over his gods is. A plan that is already going swimmingly I might add.
He has been given a divine mandate that we are evil so no way is he ever going to focus 100% on the killing. The plan was to give her info to make sure that she would help us against the shit that matter. Flipping the other Chosen going well..Danielle still hasn't given her fealty so no dice, The Smith Boy is someone we haven't met, the crone is with him and we haven't met so no, Lucan has a divine mandate to kill, us, Brienne is so young that she wouldn't be ready for a war against us even if she tried, and god now where the Stranger Chosen is. So we have one champion who is too young to fight us, one who will only fight with us against the bigger enemies than us, one given a fucking mandate to kill us and 4 with varying degrees of unknowability. actually the Champion of the Stranger probably wants us dead because the god himself wants us dead. So three chosen with unknowability. Yeah the plan is going swimmingly.
And honestly... Martyring him as well stands to do a lot to unite those factors against us. Even more so.
Ruin his reputation, spread rumours about his person, and declare him enemy of the state. It isn't that hard if we are willing to treat him like an enemy.
I am pretty genuinely confused by what your saying here. Like I'm having trouble grasping the meaning, but here's my guess?
So you don't think they are going to try and kickstart an armed conflict? Or... You think they won't, and it won't work. So they will go back to doing armed conflict once their peaceful protest plan fails?
O.k.
What is the goal of this group of again?
I have some idea, but we should look into it if you expect them to be a problem. Or ask Danelle whole she's sitting right there @Duesal ... Actually yeah, can you ask about their mage group? They are a bit of an X factor ATM.
Okay so here is where I can straight point it out. I fully expect that, once in operation and given enough time, they will start a conflict with us. For instance had we done that mass sacrifice after the Conclave we would have a crusade called on us for sure. The goal of the group is to fight monsters who threaten humanity.
Do you expect them to keep their vows or discard them immediately? You said here you wanted vows from them, but right above said they would discard them immediately.
Once again. People have feelings. Feelings motivate them. You need to understand how feelings make people act to influence them.
As for all of the above... Coming to Danelle with solutions, rather than demands for the blood feud would probably go over a lot better. Even if the solutions suck for her.
I'm also still of the opinion most clerical lore is... Kind of useless? Like holy symbols don't do stuff on their own usually. usually.
I expect them to follow the letter of the vows while ignoring the spirit when it comes to "Don't harm humans". And also I know people have feelings. I dont particularly care about those feelings. Bluntly speaking, that is what it will take. I dont see it happening. I have yet to be convinced otherwise.
All lore is useful. All lore.
Edit: Fuck I didn't notice the request. As much as I love to continue this, should we shelve it for another time?
