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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
I'd be content even without him as a puppet. It's not like we have to worry about if his heirs will be more sensible even a couple generations down the line. If we don't like any of his spawn for example, we just tell him he doesn't have our leave to die yet. :V
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It's less that I want him less as a puppet and more that I want to nudge him towards eventually becoming a vassal. It's one thing if he sees almost everywhere else in Prime Material fall under our dominion, but it'd certainly help the decision if he's heavily reliant on us in magical matters, kind of like Braavos was for a while. Sure he'll have his own experts, but that doesn't mean he won't be consulting us anyway. A few years of this and things should run relatively smoothly. The choice becomes even easier when the Bloodstone Emperor is able to send out his armies.
 
Duesal said:
Bu Gai seems like a good candidate to hold things together. With his favor of foreigners we should take full advantage and insert our agents absolutely everywhere in Yin. Astral Currents for trade, Inquisition agents wherever we can, hell even court mages sent from Sorcerer's Deep as our personal agents if we can pull it off. Bit by bit our influence over Yi Ti will grow.
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I think a united Yi-Ti under him could work, as ally then vassal.

But on the other hand I'd hate to waste the chance of getting a Sorcerer Lord in the position and even a good general who's enough trouble for Grandma's Goons to be worth killing.

@Crake
The perfect victory would be to take Yi-Ti and let these three people (who all seem to be rather compent from what we know so far) as our regional governors of West, East and North Yi-Ti.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I think a united Yi-Ti under him could work, as ally then vassal.

But on the other hand I'd hate to waste the chance of getting a Sorcerer Lord in the position and even a good general who's enough trouble for Grandma's Goons to be worth killing.

@Crake
The perfect victory would be to take Yi-Ti and let these three people (who all seem to be rather compent from what we know so far) as our regional governors of West, East and North Yi-Ti.
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Well, it's not like we don't already have a policy of splitting up large chunks of land into smaller regions... This is definitely a feasible approach for us to take.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I think a united Yi-Ti under him could work, as ally then vassal.

But on the other hand I'd hate to waste the chance of getting a Sorcerer Lord in the position and even a good general who's enough trouble for Grandma's Goons to be worth killing.

@Crake
The perfect victory would be to take Yi-Ti and let these three people (who all seem to be rather compent from what we know so far) as our regional governors of West, East and North Yi-Ti.
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That's the perfect victory from a pokemon standpoint but I would be content with making the least dangerous, in some ways, but most blunt out of the three, a subordinate, while keeping Bu Gai as a strong ally, mostly because that seems the most realistic outcome if we play our cards right and we're already juggling like fifty knives.

We just do not have the assets to dedicate to Yi Ti for a year now, but making diplomatic inroads now is necessary.

Also, you know that saying? Perfection is the enemy of good enough? That definitely applies in this case, and while usually I'm the first leading the charge saying fuck you to "good enough", I don't really want to rule Yi Ti. I want to conquer what I consider ours, Western Essos, everything abutting the Bone Mountains if we can shake it, Westeros, get North Sothoryos in hand, that my friend is my fortress of solitude. My Fort of Fuck You, upon which I intend to make my stand against literally five apocalyptic threats with who knows how many others queuing up for a go around the back.
 
Crake said:
That's the perfect victory from a pokemon standpoint but I would be content with making the least dangerous, in some ways, but most blunt out of the three, a subordinate, while keeping Bu Gai as a strong ally, mostly because that seems the most realistic outcome if we play our cards right and we're already juggling like fifty knives.

We just do not have the assets to dedicate to Yi Ti for a year now, but making diplomatic inroads now is necessary.

Also, you know that saying? Perfection is the enemy of good enough? That definitely applies in this case, and while usually I'm the first leading the charge saying fuck you to "good enough", I don't really want to rule Yi Ti. I want to conquer what I consider ours, Western Essos, everything abutting the Bone Mountains if we can shake it, Westeros, get North Sothoryos in hand, that my friend is my fortress of solitude. My Fort of Fuck You, upon which I intend to make my stand against literally five apocalyptic threats with who knows how many others queuing up for a go around the back.
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Long term goals, dude. We don't have time to devote resources to Yi Ti now, I agree, but three years IC? Five years IC? Our manpower grows by the day. And I fully intend to take all of Prime Material.

By the time we figure out how to take down the Bloodstone Emperor we'll probably have Yi Ti in hand.
 
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Duesal said:
Long term goals, dude. We don't have time to devote resources to Yi Ti now, I agree, but three years IC? Five years IC? Our manpower grows by the day. And I fully intend to take all of Prime Material.

By the time we figure out how to take down the Bloodstone Emperor we'll probably have Yi Ti in hand.
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I would probably encourage the economic/diplomatic victory here, really. And like you said, we don't necessarily even need to rule in name. Simply exerting enough influence to have control over every part that matters to us would make us the real rulers in truth, would it not? That was what we resolved to do with Braavos if there came a day that they didn't willingly walk the route of annexation.
 
Crake said:
I would probably encourage the economic/diplomatic victory here, really. And like you said, we don't necessarily even need to rule in name. Simply exerting enough influence to have control over every part that matters to us would make us the real rulers in truth, would it not? That was what we resolved to do with Braavos if there came a day that they didn't willingly walk the route of annexation.
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Economic/diplomatic victory is probably how this is going to happen (economic in particular if we get that Astral Currents Stock Exchange up and running in Yin), but our true path to victory here is different. It'll be claiming the mantle of the Empire of the Dawn for the Imperium instead of for Yi Ti after we deal with the Bloodstone Emperor. The Rakshasas kept on going about how he was the Lord of All, and the thing is they're kind of right -- he technically has claim over everything east of the Bone Mountains. We kill him, that legitimacy goes straight to us in a very real sense.
 
Huh. I just came to realise, that Devils (beyond Mammon) probably wouldn't even mind us forging an all-encompassing Order-aligned Empire that much.
I mean, it'll drastically reduce the flow of Chaotic-aligned souls to Abyss, if nothing else..?
And they'd probably hope to get lots of law-aligned souls all to themselves.

And then we shit all over that with Imperial Deity, and we get really pressed by those who prefer status quo untouched :V
 
egoo said:
Huh. I just came to realise, that Devils (beyond Mammon) probably wouldn't even mind us forging an all-encompassing Order-aligned Empire that much.
I mean, it'll drastically reduce the flow of Chaotic-aligned souls to Abyss, if nothing else..?
And they'd probably hope to get lots of law-aligned souls all to themselves.

And then we shit all over that with Imperial Deity, and we get really pressed by those who prefer status quo untouched :V
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No, they would be very much opposed to it, without our complicity in their activities.

I honestly expect a home visit when we actually manage to accomplish most of our short-to-medium term goals.

Just fuckin'... have our coronation, then go up to enjoy a glass of brandy somewhere in the Red Keep somewhere and there waiting is Asmodeus' mouthpiece, there to have a pleasant discussion over a drink about how things are going to work going forward.

Basically, to lead us down the same arrangement they got with the Brass Bastard. A mad puppet to dance on some strings.

Fuck Baator, and fuck the Nine.
 
Crake said:
No, they would be very much opposed to it, without our complicity in their activities.

I honestly expect a home visit when we actually manage to accomplish most of our short-to-medium term goals.

Just fuckin'... have our coronation, then go up to enjoy a glass of brandy somewhere in the Red Keep somewhere and there waiting is Asmodeus' mouthpiece, there to have a pleasant discussion over a drink about how things are going to work going forward.

Basically, to lead us down the same arrangement they got with the Brass Bastard. A mad puppet to dance on some strings.

Fuck Baator, and fuck the Nine.
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Speaking of Asmodeus, to add to the current vote I'm questioning the cleric's skull to figure out what the hell theyre even doing in Prime Material. We should find out about active plots sooner rather than later.
 
Duesal said:
Speaking of Asmodeus, to add to the current vote I'm questioning the cleric's skull to figure out what the hell theyre even doing in Prime Material. We should find out about active plots sooner rather than later.
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*cough*
[X] Get Inquisitorial report on Devils met in Gogossos and Ghiscary people, based off the captured men, the captured Pleasure DevilSpellcaster, the diabolical ledgers and questioning skulls and bodies (1 Harvester Devil's Corpse, 1 Mythic Horned Devil's Corpse, 1 Advanced Chimeric Wizard Bone Devil's Corpse, 1 Cleric of Asmodeus' Corpse).
-[X] Goals:
--[] Learn true names of all Outsiders they know - and resolve to summon them all as soon as possible, in order to lessen the risk of their bretheren spreading even more through Garden.
--[] Learn the structure of their operation - both on Planetos, and off it - as well as any other cults they are aware of, or infiltrators serving Devils (while not directly being diabloical themselves).
--[] What was their plan in Gogossos in detail, what sort of effects they wrought upon the Forge and/or the lands nearby - and what have they done in Plane Material before Gogoss in general.
--[] What they know of the lands around Gogossos, and Sothoryos in general.
--[] What they know of the disposition, numbers, and magical/martial presense of Ghiscari that summoned them - learn more of Ghiscari political situation, as well as major figures of the state.
--[] Learn of any important persons they know either on Plane of Balance, or off-plane - includes targets of opportunity, persons of note, and generally beings of high power (personal, political, or else).
--[] Learn any secret plans/intrigues of Devils they may be privy to.
--[] Learn of any places of power on Garden/off-plane they know, be it magical in nature, mundane treasures, or depositories of lore.
--[] Try to learn what made the spell of the Horned Devil impossible to stop - and what could replicate such.
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If we are questioning one of them, might as well question all of them.
Has better chances to get us info anyway.
 
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Before we throw our lot in with the boy Emperor, could we please learn more about the general and the sorcerer lord?
Saving the boy makes sense because it annoys our enemies, but before we help him any more we should investigate the alternatives too.
Make an informed choice, yay !
 
Vote closed. Inquisition report on the devils in the next update.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 27, 2019 at 4:08 AM, finished with 73 posts and 8 votes.
  • [X] Take the time to recruit the 34 Legion Devils currently in the Larder.
    -[X] Afterwards, get an Inquisitorial report on Devils met in Gogossos and Ghiscaryi people, based off the captured Unsullied, the captured Pleasure Devil Spellcaster, the diabolical ledgers and questioning skulls and bodies (1 Harvester Devil's Corpse, 1 Mythic Horned Devil Trophy, 1 Advanced Chimeric Wizard Bone Devil Trophy, 1 Cleric of Asmodeus Skull).
    --[X] What was their goal in Gogossos? Was said goal really accomplished?
    --[X] Learn the structure of their operation -- both on Prime Material, and off it -- as well as any other cults they are aware of, or infiltrators serving Devils (while not directly being diabloical themselves).
    --[X] What are the identities of the foremost agents of Asmodeus in Prime Material, and what are they doing? Where are they? (Get a giant list of the Cult of Asmodeus, like we've got for the Golden Company).
    --[X] What plans of Asmodeus were they aware of? What supernatural schemes and cults in general were they aware of?
    ---[X] Expand on this -- what secrets in general were they aware of? (Things like Mammon's Uniila knowing Mammon was scheming against the Lord of the First, etc.)
    --[X] Extract all outsider names they know -- Devils, Daemons, Demons, etc -- and resolve to summon them all as soon as possible, in order to lessen the risk of their brethren spreading even more through Prime Material.
    --[X] Extract their knowledge of Sothoryos and what relics of power there are to claim.
    ---[X] Expanding on this -- learn of any places of power on Prime Material/off-plane they know, be it magical in nature, mundane treasures, or depositories of lore.
    --[X] What they know of the disposition, numbers, and magical/martial presence of Ghiscari that summoned them? Learn more of Ghiscari political situation, as well as major figures of the state. If Asmodeus himself is moving in Slaver's Bay then Yrael and Relath will have a significantly harder time in the region.
    --[X] Learn of any important persons they know either on Plane of Balance, or off-plane - includes targets of opportunity, persons of note, and generally beings of high power (personal, political, or else).
    --[X] Try to learn what made the spell of the Horned Devil impossible to stop - and what could replicate such.
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I need to ask something just to be sure, for the legion devils who do not want to sign up you guys are sending them back like the Erynyes in the same position right? Otherwise it would effectively be slavery, since it's calling someone to serve or die.
 
DragonParadox said:
I need to ask something just to be sure, for the legion devils who do not want to sign up you guys are sending them back like the Erynyes in the same position right? Otherwise it would effectively be slavery, since it's calling someone to serve or die.
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Yes.

No working under threat of death.

Besides, it's not like a few LDs make any difference for the legions of hell.
 
Uuh, no, I'm against this.
We are grabbing Devils away, ruining Mammon's operations- Main reason we (I) invest so much attention on keeping tabs on this to begin with-
And whoever decides not to join goes right back?
Fuck that.

I'd rather not recruit Devils at all then. Better than important pieces escaping simply because we set a policy that way.
 
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egoo said:
Uuh, no, I'm against this.
We are grabbing Devils away, ruining Mammon's operations- Main reason we (I) invest so much attention on keeping tabs on this-
And whoever decides not to join goes right back?
Fuck that
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They are legion devils summoned from Hell, that makes them more a rounding error in the Blood War than anything relevant to the prime Material, more importantly it would be a significant deviation from established recruiting patterns (summoned Erinyes), so I would need a vote to change that. Would you guys rather I just did the inquisition report and have a vote regarding the legion devils.
 
DragonParadox said:
I need to ask something just to be sure, for the legion devils who do not want to sign up you guys are sending them back like the Erynyes in the same position right? Otherwise it would effectively be slavery, since it's calling someone to serve or die.
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Yeah, if they refuse to join, we should just send them back to Hell.
 
DragonParadox said:
They are legion devils summoned from Hell, that makes them more a rounding error in the Blood War than anything relevant to the prime Material, more importantly it would be a significant deviation from established recruiting patterns (summoned Erinyes), so I would need a vote to change that. Would you guys rather I just did the inquisition report and have a vote regarding the legion devils.
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The moment we get the ritual to break off any Devil off Hell we'll use up the majority of the Diabolical part of our Larder on this-
SImply becasue Devils are too useful as minions to ignore.

But whoever decides not to join could have too important a role for us to let go - and what, are we just going to let enemy comamnders, or I don't know... A fucken Ice Devil, go? Or eternaly keep 'em in a bottle?

I don't like that the system I envisioned as "permanently-ish removes some of the resources from Hells" turned into "eh, if they don't wanna join we'll let them go".
@everyone, pelase do remember, that all of these are still Mammon's forces.
Whom we are all but guaranteed to face again if they are let go.
 
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@egoo one more thing you might want to keep in mind is that legion devils are int 6. Not exactly masterminds that are going to be causing you trouble by returning to the Prime Material to forge subversive cults.
 
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