egoo
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I don't like setting broad policy even stricter than we had with Erynies.
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Goldfish
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If we make the offer in good faith, and a Devil intends to renege on the deal, I don't mind sacrificing them. The Gelugon, for example, has a decent chance of agreeing, all while intending to betray us.
But if they just outright refuse, yeah, let's send them back to Hell by killing them. It's not permanent, after all.
EDIT: And we can always Summon with no intent to recruit, or just focus on a different type of suitable Outsider, such as Demons.
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That is the price we pay for recruitment.
If we just want to sacrifice we can do that, but not offer to join or die.
It's not a striker policy it's exactly the same one and you guys can vote to change it at any time, though some of your compations may not react well.
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egoo
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And here's another crux then:
Everyone was "okay" with me digging in and dragging out True Names out of servants of Mammon for more servants of Mammon only -
I'm pretty sure there would be vocal backlash if anyone but him gets the same treatment, if we start grabbing TNs and their bearers more than "1 step removed".
And hell, I'd have been glad to, Daemons are finite after all.
But yeah alright, so long as we kill all Devils that refuse our deal, I'm okay with this.
At least they'll take time to reform and give us some corpses as loot.
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Goldfish
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Backlash is a strong word. We just have enough powerful enemies as it is. Getting more Larder fodder isn't worth the possibility of attracting the ire of another Archduke of Hell. At least not right now, when our dance card is so full.
egoo
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@DragonParadox, so long as we "send them to hell" with a time-out to act agaisnt us by killing them (humanely, ofc), I'm having no further arguments here.
I'm just kinda cringing inside at a mere prospect of letting however little forces to return to our enemy after we already looted them fair and square.
I'm just kinda cringing inside at a mere prospect of letting however little forces to return to our enemy after we already looted them fair and square.
Strictly speaking I should probably ask for a vote on this too since you were a lot more polite to the Erinyes... but you got most of those names by asking your existing Erynyes for the names of their comrades, so it does make sense that you would be more polite to them than the legion devils whose names you got off enemies. Killing it is. I would rather not linger too long on this.
egoo
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Well, yes, Archdukes are someone I was too afraid to piss off to do this.
Plates, they are too many.
But, returning to my earlier quote - why can't we summon Daemons indiscriminately whenever we can (i.e. have remaining HD in sheets to cover), then?
The fucks are as close to universal cancer as it gets, only seemingly outdone by Void itself?
Or am I mixing shit up?
They aren't infinite (at least technically) in numbers either, unlike Demons, are they?
Goldfish
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I have no issues with Summoning Daemons for the Larder.
Given the state of the Planes, and how little we know of the Abyss, Daemons might be finite, or they might be "finite". If there are only 98 trillion of them versus the truly infinite Demons, there's little practical difference, after all. If there are only a few million left, that's still more than we'll ever need, but the end truly is in sight for Daemonkind.
Either way, we're doing planar community service by reducing their numbers.
tarrangar
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Not really we are offering them a plea bargain for their crimes, if they decide to not take said plea bargain, then they will of course face the punishment for their crimes.
We can make it clear that while they have to enter our service, as they are criminals, and if they want to take the plea bargain, they have to have a parole officer, they don't have to enter our military, to avoid facing their sentence, they are just required to hold a legal job, if they want that job to be working in a bakery then that's fine, but they don't get to go back to Hell.
Very few devils will probably choose such an option, but letting them choose what they want to do, as long as it's legal and within our Empire, mean that we aren't telling them serve or die, we are telling them, that they can choose between facing the consequences of their crimes, or getting a second chance, with the only requirement that they act like a productive law-abiding citizen.
But frankly I have an even bigger moral problem, with sending devils back to Hell to torture innocents at some point in the future, than I have with enslaving devils.
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Goldfish
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By the time those Devils have a chance to reform, decades from now, we will hopefully have a system in place to prevent innocent souls from making their way to Hell.
Also, you should keep in mind that we're Summoning Devils engaged in the Blood War. They have better things to do that abuse souls.
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One practical thing to note is that we'll need an Erinyes overseer for every group of Merregons.
Not sure how many Merregons per Erinyes, but to some degree it's necessary.
Merrgons only speak infernal and are to stupid to quickly learn a new language and they are propably going to take a while to learn new behaviours too.
Not sure how many Merregons per Erinyes, but to some degree it's necessary.
Merrgons only speak infernal and are to stupid to quickly learn a new language and they are propably going to take a while to learn new behaviours too.
egoo
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I get a feeling that at this point we need a dedicated tab to keep track of:
1) How many supernatural servants we have - the exact numbers on Lotus Leshi, Erynies, etc. - all important pieces that we assign around strategically; and consistently updated (no blame on DP, quest has way too much stuff to keep track of these things)
2) Who is busy with what. For example, I can't remember how many of our Erynies are busy with bodyguard duty, and whether it's 1 or 2 in SD's Scholarum and Library.
Winning vote
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Part MMMXXVIII: Of Devils Bound and Hidden
Of Devils Bound and Hidden
Twenty-First Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC
Thunder booms overhead and cold rain lashes at the small barren rock that holds the Snare from Zathir's warding wings, lightning arching across the sky like the claws of some titanic beast or a devil's forked weapon. A good omen perhaps for your purpose here. The merregon have been serving well in Volantis, united in mind and body, unshakable in purpose unless all should be slain or routed. That strength can only grow as you add more of them to your ranks, though as one inquisitorial report noted the cost of glamours and indeed the devils' ability to use them effectively may limit where and when they can be deployed in large numbers.
Be the men of the Legion be ever so loyal and stout, they are not known for fighting absent limbs or with arrows lodged through their eyes, all of which feats Hellish vitality allows, the note had gone, not precisely the standard format for communication up the chain of command, but the Inquisition is less concerned with such details than any other institution in your fledgling realm. Truth be told you are not altogether certain how at times the literal-minded and relentlessly obedient legion devils will adapt to functioning within this looser hierarchy. You wonder if they would be amenable to expanding their mental horizons by sorcery or flesh-craft. After all, the baatezu are accustomed to being reshaped as they advance through the hierarchies of Hell and most are not as attached to their forms as the erinyes.
Something to be considered later, if after today you should have more legion devils in your service than can be counted upon the fingers of two hands. One by one you uncap the bottles and let the devils free to make the offer to each of them in turn, to serve you to help build order that is more then the endless turning of blood-soaked gears.
Of four and thirty legion devils only a dozen choose to serve you, the others returned to Mammon's most untender mercies by Dark Sister's edge, likely as not to be rewarded for their loyalty with the retched existence of a lemure for their failing.
Lost
- 34 Legion Devil Prisoners
- 4,800 IM (Ritual costs to unbind from Hell)
- 12 Legion Devils Vassals
- 22 Legion Devils Bodies
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Morning brings welcome news from Yi Ti, between them Waymar, Tyene, Garin, and Nuri had not only gained an audience with the the Azure Emperor but they had done so by helping to save his life from an agent of the Shadow in the East, thus obtaining the practically impossible honor of a truly private meeting by sheer dint of circumstance. They had not been able to speak to him long, of course, with the palace in an uproar over his absence, but it was enough to ensure them a more traditional audience in three days time as well and a tentative ally at court in one of Bu Gai's favored consorts. The remainder of the contacts Tyene had managed to form among the court eunuchs are of a markedly more mercenary inclination, but useful just the same in their knowledge of the various factions and the secrets they keep.
Concerning the other end of their mission your companions had not only found one of the organizations favoring the Golden Company and Tiamat, but also infiltrated it through Nuri. So far the highest ranking of these agents, a corrupted land spirit garbed in twisted mortal flesh whom the locals name oni, seems more concerned in observing the court in the aftermath of the emperor's failed assassination attempt, hoping perhaps to allow his own agents to rise through the gaps that will form in the palace's hierarchy.
This in turn breeds something of a quandary. Your friends had initially envisaged presenting evidence of mundane corruption in the Yi Tish hinterlands to gain favor and credibility behind closed doors, but with the emperor already aware of their arcane skill offering up evidence of the Golden Company's own dealings with fiends and other sorcerous crimes would likely have a greater impact. The cost would not be insignificant either. Nuri has only just begun working her way into the organization. To move now risks leaving some enemy agents, perhaps the most dangerous slip away.
How do you wish your emissaries to present themselves formally before the emperor of Yi Ti and what should they share?
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OOC: Unfortunately the summary of the Yi Ti arc is more than a little dry, but I had to do this since the time has come for a policy decision above what Garin or Tyene can make alone.
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What about the report from the Asodeus-devils we captured?
No info yet?
Edit: Did we get to keep the Demonbinder's loot?
No info yet?
Edit: Did we get to keep the Demonbinder's loot?
egoo
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They cannot cover anyone but most important people with Mindblank - we but need to ensure that right questions are divined, and right people are grabbed.
Breaking apart a spy organisation is somewhat easy if their leaders are taken.
A more important question comes, I think, as such:
Are we going to attack Tiamat's forces this very moment? (or at least within a half-a-month's time)
Everything has to be disassembled at the same time, from actual Golden Company forces (and drakes), to their secretive cults and spies, to, yes, their Fortress.
Somehow.
If we reveal part of the corps, the rest of them will go into an alert.
I say, we should let him know that GC are assholes (so as to get his (un)official assistance for whatever the shits will throw together once or fleet arrives), give him skulls of Mammon's devils (and show off the knowledge from the skulls via Speak With Dead then and there) as show of him being infiltrated every step of the way, and ask for help on rooting out GCs assholes in his empire -for his own sake ifnothing else.
I think we could have him allow for Nuri to continue infiltrating for at least a short while, and next turn we can have more intrighe-people assigned to fidnding out who are the leaders of their spy-corps are, and grabbing them.
Also, we really need to talk to other 2"emperor"-candidates now, I'm in agreement with Talon that throwing ourselves into Yi-Tish politics beyond dealing with GCs is foolish without looking at what other sides offer in terms of sanity/reliability.
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You did not, Tyene did not want to risk awkward question by asking for fiend-wrought equipment, especially since keeping it would also break the law of the land.
egoo
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Welp, here goes the Yi Ti, all hail glorious Dragon Emperor.
BECAUSE WE CANNOT ALLOW SUCH FOOLISHNESS TO CONTINUE
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NOOO!
Our loot!
Why would there be awkward questions for plundering a fallen enemy, that's the first thing you do after killing.
Besides, not all his loot was fiendish.
Well, did she at the very least secure his and the Rakshasa's corpses?
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[X] Demand the corpse and personal belongings of Kai Gang Ru and the Raksha that Waymar killed. Where you are from withholding the fruits of a successful hunt from the hunter is the highest of insults.
-[X] Then mention that an organisation in his lands has Oni in their ranks and that they are acting in support of hostile foreigners, he can deal with that as he sees fit.
NOOO!
Our loot!
Why would there be awkward questions for plundering a fallen enemy, that's the first thing you do after killing.
Besides, not all his loot was fiendish.
Well, did she at the very least secure his and the Rakshasa's corpses?
- Because the kami recognized them as being the work of fiends and also Yi Ti is not the Bazaar of Beggars, 'finders keepers' is not he law
- Also no, the Emperor wants to have the corpses interrogated vial speak with dead and then publicly burned before having the ashes thrown in the sea as is custom
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I thought we came for trade and information.
We haven't decided to ally with any one of the three candidates yet, right?
Killing Raksha is just common sense, that doesn't make us friends.
Goldfish
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That's just asking for more trouble than the corpse and loot are worth.