Okay, so for Sothoryos coming up relatively soon as soon as we deal with Lady Errol and Lord Buckwell, we were planning on poking around the Necropolis, or were we going to do anything else? @egoo, have you asked about this?
Nope, I haven't asked.
As far as I'm aware, we'll just be clearing out the place for Riz'neth to live in, while grabbing any conviniently leftover ancient lore and/or artifacts (Including a second part to Greater Rod of Quickening).

Going to take out degenerate drow is a separate expedition, for one.
So is going to SIlver Mine and/or finding out what happened to Drow civilization under the Spider Hill.
So is going for that other COatl we sensed somewhere in Sothoryos (I think?)
Etc.
 
Also guys, if we flip Shyra Errol and Ralph Buckler, we would have turned four Houses immediately after gaining Stannis' pledge of fealty.

That won't not be terrifying for him to learn once their immediate 180 in interests vis a vis Storm's End comes to his attention. :V
 
Nope, I haven't asked.
As far as I'm aware, we'll just be clearing out the place for Riz'neth to live in, while grabbing any conviniently leftover ancient lore and/or artifacts (Including a second part to Greater Rod of Quickening).

Going to take out degenerate drow is a separate expedition, for one.
So is going to SIlver Mine and/or finding out what happened to Drow civilization under the Spider Hill.
So is going for that other COatl we sensed somewhere in Sothoryos (I think?)
Etc.
That's perfectly fine. It's not like the Necropolis isn't huge.

Do you know if Riz'Neth is going to join us? It'd be great if we could get him.
 
That's a good way of splitting the difference ahahaha.

Like WTF though, it always seems to be targeting stuff that makes entirely too much sense in context. A lot of squicky stuff happens in-universe of ASOIAF, same for Naruto.

Why is it surprising or non-kosher if it's not trying to be edgy and blatant trolling?

Edit: The whole underage arranged marriage thing is pretty squick though, even beyond the "is that REALLY necessary to describe even if it makes sense from a feudal perspective?"

Simply because Naruto does not put heavy emphasis on that aspect of the universe, whereas ASOIAF does.
I mean, I say "underage" but in-setting they've been adults for 4 years or something. But what that actually means is "they're 15 and were chosen because they're from the genetically inferior side of the family, they live at the bottom of the totem pole and they are totally willing to be sold off in the hope of gaining in wealth and status by having a kid with a random stranger", which is also super creepy IMO.

I wish it had never happened. Instead, it became a huge thing as everyone had to negociate the details.

As for why that came up... Basically politics, they're sealing an alliance with another noble family. The quest has almost nothing to do with Naruto anymore, it's mostly politics in medieval Japan with ninjas added in as frosting on top.

Let's avoid that kind of discussion in this thread, please.
The best thing Malarys brought this thread was the "don't marry before 20, you filthy savages !" morality.
 
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I mean, I say "underage" but in-setting they've been adults for 4 years or something. But what that actually means is "they're 15 and were chosen because they're from the genetically inferior side of the family, they live at the bottom of the totem pole and they are totally willing to be sold off in the hope of gaining in wealth and status by having a kid with a random stranger", which is also super creepy IMO.

I wish it had never happened. Instead, it became a huge thing as everyone had to negociate the details.

As for why that came up... Basically politics, they're sealing an alliance with another noble family. The quest has almost nothing to do with Naruto anymore, it's mostly politics in medieval Japan with ninjas added in as frosting on top.

Let's avoid that kind of discussion in this thread, please.
The best thing Malarys brought this thread was the "don't marry before 20, you filthy savages !" morality.

I mean, when it last came up, it was us dissuading a noble lady under the modern sensibility inclined age of majority from pursuing that relationship.

Then again there are explicitly some "in the background" romantic relationships that are clearly not betrothals, but none of that is unusual for ASOIAF, nor is it discussed in much detail.

So it really is just one big roll of the dice, innit?
 
Theon Greyjoy:
The erstwhile heir to the Iron Isles can show a ready smile and a cheerful laugh, but sometimes as he looks out to sea a melancholy can overcome him. For some odd reason certain women seem to find this alluring, something the lad is not shy about making use of.

Spoiler: Theon Greyjoy
Name: Theon Greyjoy
Age: 15
Alignment: True Neutral
Race: Human (Medium Humanoid)
Level:
7
Class: Mystic Ranger 7
Feats: Deadly Aim, Knowledge Devotion, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, Track, Wild Cohort, Weapon Focus(Longbow),Manyshot
Flaws: Vain, Loudmouth
Class Features: Arcane Hunter (Favored Enemy: Arcanists), Shadow Sword Ranger (Endurance -> Walk in Silence), Woodland Stride
Favored Enemies: Arcanists (Arcane spells or SLAS/Invocations)
Languages Spoken: Westerosi Common

HP: 52/52
AC: 10 + 4 (DEX) + 4 (Chain Shirt) +2 (vs Evil) = 18/20
Initiative: +2 (DEX)
Movement: 30ft + 30ft (Anklets) = 60ft
Attack: +6 (BAB) +4 (DEX) +1 (Enhancement) +1 (WF) +2 (Bracers) = +14/+9 [1d8+5]
Range Increment: 130 ft
Spell Save: DC: 10 + 4 (CHA) + spell level
Weapon Proficiency: Longbow, Axe, Longsword
Immunities: Possession/Mental Control

STATS:
14 +2 = 16 (+3) Strength
16 +2 = 18 (+4) Dexterity
12 +2 = 14 (+2) Constitution
17 +1 = 18 (+4) Charisma
12 (+1) Intelligence
10 (+0) Wisdom

SAVES:
FORTITUDE: 5 + 2 = 7/9
REFLEX: 5 + 4 = 9/11
WILL: 2/4

SKILLS:
Balance:
5 + 4 (DEX) = 9
Heal: 1
Knowledge (Arcana): 8 + 1 (INT) +4 (BotMK) = 9/13
Knowledge (Dungeoneering): 8 +1 (INT) +4 (BotMK) = 9/13
Knowledge (Local): 6 + 1 (INT) +4 (BotMK) = 7/11
Knowledge (Nature): 8 +1 (INT) +4 (BotMK) = 9/13
Knowledge (The Planes): 7 + 1 (INT) +4 (BotMK) = 8/12
Knowledge (Religion): 1 + 1 (INT) +4 (BotMK) = 2/6
Profession (Sailor): 8 +4 (BotMK) = 8/12
Spot: 11
Survival: 10
Swim: 2 + 3 (STR) = 5

Prepared Spells (Caster Level 7):
Level 0:
Cure Minor Wounds, Light, Mending, Purify Food and Drink (4/day)
Level 1: Guided Shot, Hawkeye, Hunter's Mercy, Primal Hunter (3+1/day)
Level 2: Cat's Grace, Primal Instinct, Swift Haste (2+1/day)
Level 3: Arrowsplit, Fickle Winds, Find the Gap (2+1/day)

Supernatural Abilities:
  • Walk In Silence: Can gain +5 Circumstantial bonus to Hide for one round as a swift action (3/day)
  • Bane Weapon: Grant the Bane Weapon ability corresponding to a favored enemy to a held weapon for up to 6 rounds (4/day)
Contingency Spells: Renewal Pact; Stalwart Pact

Anklets of Rapid Translocation:
  1. Benefit from a +30ft Enhancement bonus to ground movement speed.
  2. 2/Day Instantly teleport up to 10 feet to an unoccupied destination within line of sight and line of effect. The wearer can teleport with objects, up to their maximum load, but cannot bring other creatures.
Earring of Arcane Acuity:
  • 3 Charges/Day: 1 Charge(Darkvision 60 ft., 1 hour), 2 Charges (See Invisibility, 10 minutes), 3 Charges (True Seeing, 1 minute)
Greater Amulet of Protection from Evil:
  • 3 Charges/Day: 1 Charge (12 Temporary Hit Points), 2 Charges (18 Temporary Hit Points), 3 Charges (24 Temporary Hit Points), Duration: 10 minutes
Greater Bracers of Archery: +2 Competence bonus to Ranged Attack rolls and +1 Competence bonus to Damage using any type of bow.

Quiver of Abundant Ammunition: With a constant Abundant Ammunition enchantment, this quiver provides a never ending supply of arrows.

Ring of Healing Vigor Powers:
  • Healing (3 charges/day): 1 charge (Heal 2d8 points of damage), 2 charges (Heal 3d8 points of damage), or 3 charges(Heal 4d8 points of damage)
Equipment: Anklets of Rapid Translocation, Belt of Hero's Strength (+2 STR), Dragonbone Longbow of Distance +1 (w/+3 Strength bonus), Earring of Arcane Acuity, Gloves of Zephyr's Grace (+2 DEX), Greater Amulet of Protection from Evil, Greater Bracers of Archery, Quiver of Abundant Ammunition, Ring of Healing Vigor (+2 CON), Ring of Untarnished Glory (+1 CON), Talisman of Mage Sense

Okay, so that's Theon. I'm guessing we go for another level in Mystic Ranger?
 
Sure.
He gets his first level 4 spell and another Favored Enemy (Though I'm not sure if that is negated by his Arcane Hunter ACF?).

Level 4 Ranger spells have some interesting options:
Foebane – Spell – D&D Tools
Blinding Beauty – Spell – D&D Tools
Implacable Pursuer – Spell – D&D Tools
Bow Spirit – d20PFSRD
Wow, I really like Implacable Pursuer. Also, Bow Spirit. :rofl::rofl::rofl: I'm imagining Archivists just carrying around quivers of arrows for that spell alone.
 
I mean, when it last came up, it was us dissuading a noble lady under the modern sensibility inclined age of majority from pursuing that relationship.

Then again there are explicitly some "in the background" romantic relationships that are clearly not betrothals, but none of that is unusual for ASOIAF, nor is it discussed in much detail.

So it really is just one big roll of the dice, innit?

I don't think it's luck so much as common sense. We have all kept those kinds of discussions brief and within the bounds of good taste IC and OOC. Personally I trust the mods to act sensibly since that is how I see them acting all the time when I even notice their presence in a thread
 
Winning vote

[] Explain to Lady Shyra the difference between the Lads and the bandits in the Stormlands with whom she's more familiar. Benjicot is very strict in what his men do. While it was unfortunate that her cousin died in fighting them, the Lads were defending themselves while crossing a river.
-[] Is there an undeclared war being fought? Yes. But we weren't the ones who started it, with Robert unceremoniously throwing his fleet at us. And more to the point we're trying to make this as bloodless as we possibly can.
-[] And regarding the bandits in the Stormlands, the second we were alerted to what they were doing, we took care of them. They won't be troubling these lands any longer.
-[] We will bring peace and order to these lands, preferably with as little loss of life as we can manage. We came to Shyra because we want her help in doing so. //Appealing to her idealism.
 
Part MMCMXLVIII: With Justice and Reason
With Justice and Reason

Tenth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

"There was war in the land, and in the sea for that matter," you reply, keeping your voice carefully level, allowing only a hint of weariness to enter your tone. True it is more pondering the threat of the Deep Ones and the secret horror at Heaven's fate than any stubborn lords, but it is no less real for it. "For over a year there has been war between my realm and the king on the Iron Throne. No sooner did I win myself a realm and begin setting it to order than the Usurper sent his brother and the full royal fleet to cast it down. Doubtlessly if he said anything at all to the lords of Westeros it was that he was burning a nest of pirates. I cast no blame upon those who did not think to stop him then, but I maintain that it is now very far indeed from such a den of villainy. If you might wish to see it for yourself then I will take you there in a moment's notice and show you all that I have wrought, my lady."

Though the offer is sincere, you do not expect her to take it. This is not a question of whether you can bring peace or prosperity, but of keeping the honor of her House, of proving herself worthy of her position in an admittedly idealistic view of the world. There are worse qualities for a lord or lady to have.

She shakes her head firmly and meets your eyes still with challenge over deeper worry, for far more than her own safety. "Stannis Baratheon's sailors did not set foot upon your lands, my lord, they did not raid or pillage, and from what I have heard of the new Lord of Storm's End neither would they have done so without suffering swift punishment."

You wonder what she would say if you told her that Stannis himself has sworn to you not two days past, but you do not speak of it yet. The point is not to show her that the world itself cannot live up to the standards she has erected in her mind, but that you have done all you can to act with honor and restraint even towards the rebel lords. "The company in the Riverlands who swore itself to me has not acted as common bandits. I, too, have faith in those who lead it. Hedge knights, yes, but not without honor. Just the same those with rich lands and deep vaults can lack in it."

"If they were men of honor they would have traveled to your lands and there presented their swords to you," Lady Shyra replies, voice stiff but also unsteady, grasping at straws.

"Not all men have ship fare, my lady, and not all can afford to take it," Ser Richard interjects, not unkindly. "Smallfolk must keep to their fields and their crafts, but that does not mean they would not rather have a king who would rule justly and bring prosperity to the land."

"They shouldn't..."

Dany cuts her off, speaking more sharply from her perch. "Shouldn't what? Have an opinion or act upon it? They have a stake in the matter just as any high lord might. They are the ones who march to war to die far from home under their lord's banners, the ones whose fields are trampled and whose children go hungry for it."

Silence follows her words, broken only by the sounds of breathing. Finally the lady shakes her head, as much in bewilderment as denial. "You make them sound so noble... What of the bands in the Rainwood, then? The Dragon's Claws I hear they call themselves. Do you trust them also? Are they just trying to keep war from their door?"

"No, and no, hence why there are no more robber bands in the Rainwood as of yesterday," you reply simply. "They have been dealt with."

"You dealt with every bandit in the Rainwood in the span of a single day?" she asks incredulously.

"All the bands," you correct with precision that might have won the approval of Stannis Baratheon. "Magic makes finding people quite simple."

"I... alright," Lady Shyra Errol finally sighs, though it may lack any formality you know it for her true pledge. She looks tried, but the strain is gone from her face. "I will pledge my House to you, Your Grace, in place of House Baratheon of Storm's End and of King's Landing."

"The first is not needed," you reply, allowing yourself a small smile. "Lord Stannis has already seen that his brother's failing reign can only bring ruin to the Seven Kingdoms."

Surprise and relief chase each other clear across her features, though the reason for the latter is not quite what you had thought to judge from her musings. "I suppose the matter of my wedding will have to be postponed until quieter times..."

"Indeed, my lady, that is not a decision to take in haste," you agree, making a mental note to ask Stannis not to offer any suggestions. As troublesome as Lady Shyra's pledge was, it is just as firm now. There is no reason for her to court misery and heartbreak.

***​

Having thus assured yourself of one more pledge you make your way south and west to Bronzegate to secure another of the Houses that Stannis had named uncertain in their alliances. From what Maester Cressen had said of the man it should be an easy enough task. One already wary of dragon fire should be quite satisfied to be presented instead with gifts to honor the wisdom and forethought of not fighting dragons at all. Indeed you had hardly presented yourself as an Essossi merchant, hinting at contacts in the Deep, that the steward graciously accepts you into the presence of his lord.

"Y-your Grace, an honor to meet you." The sandy-haired lord's usually florid complexion pales abruptly as you reveal yourself.

"An honor to be here, my lord," you reply with an encouraging smile. What had the man heard of you?

The answer, you soon discover, is a great many Lannister-spread tales about blood sacrifice, sorcery, and vile gods, which had led to an image in his mind that could perhaps be best summarized as 'Maegor the Wizard' with perhaps a dash of Maelys Blackfyre thrown in. Where other lords might have been stiffened in their resolve to fight for gods and king, Lord Ralph Buckler seems on the verge of trussing up the local septon as a gift.

"Creseen did Old Man Frey a disservice comparing him to this lump. He might be vicious and mercenary to the bone, but he isn't a coward," Dany sends silently as you set about calming Lord Buckler's fears one by one.

"Be that as it may, he will keep his seat and pass it to his children where bolder lords might fail," you send back.

What do you do next?

[] Head to Sothoryos
-[] Write in preparations

[] Continue trying to sway Stormlords to your service
-[] Write in

[] Do a minor action
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: There did not seem to be much sense in doing a write-in to calm Lord Buckler, so I just rolled through it. I hope it does not feel rushed.
 
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I don't think it's luck so much as common sense. We have all kept those kinds of discussions brief and within the bounds of good taste IC and OOC. Personally I trust the mods to act sensibly since that is how I see them acting all the time when I even notice their presence in a thread
Yeah the mods here on SV tend to favor a soft touch, if there's real problems they will come down on it, but they aren't out to close a thread down, at the first hint there might be trouble.
 
Also guys, if we flip Shyra Errol and Ralph Buckler, we would have turned four Houses immediately after gaining Stannis' pledge of fealty.

That won't not be terrifying for him to learn once their immediate 180 in interests vis a vis Storm's End comes to his attention. :V
And now we have achieved our goals in the Stormlands. Eat your heart out, Robert. :evil:

@DragonParadox, I assume we'll be returning to Stannis to alert him of the changes to the political landscape so that he can plan around them?
 
@egoo
Could you note down a minor action to define marriage-laws next turn?

If we still want to help her personal issues without her knowing about divination we can easily do it by setting appropriate laws before she even joins our realm. And of course potentially others too.

We might also decide to raise the age for marriage a bit. Or set one in the first place, since Westeros doesn't seem to have any definite laws on the matter.
 
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[] Do a minor action
-[] Write in
We might go seek out Gith (because Illithids are an ever-increasing danger and we have no idea how to war them), @everyone.
Or look into She Who Brings Enlightment.
Or visit Uncle and ask a shitload of questions.
Or do the ritual to turn all Weirwoods fire-proof (while conveniently voting on what to sacrifice for the voted-on and planned 16 Heart Trees on MA-list)
Or have a quick chat with Danelle.
 
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