Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I wonder if we could try obtaining the technique Gan Guangli(sp?) has that allows him to enlarge, and then teach it to our Big little brother. Then he'd be able to reach proper kaiju size.

Spirits and spirit beasts can't learn techniques; they can't open meridians like humans, so they can't learn arts and are not nearly as versatile as humans.

All spirit techs are inborn, but they can develop variants based on experiences or some other long term factor (see Zhengui stealth tech and Meizhen fear armor).

So if Ling Qi wants Zhengui to learn Gan's technique she needs to consciously decide it and have Zhengui spend a lot of time with Gan trying to ape that technique the best he can.
 
Spirits and spirit beasts can't learn techniques; they can't open meridians like humans, so they can't learn arts and are not nearly as versatile as humans.

All spirit techs are inborn, but they can develop variants based on experiences or some other long term factor (see Zhengui stealth tech and Meizhen fear armor).

So if Ling Qi wants Zhengui to learn Gan's technique she needs to consciously decide it and have Zhengui spend a lot of time with Gan trying to ape that technique the best he can.
This isn't quite accurate. We know that Meizhen was feeding a technique into her shadow spirit beast. We can't teach our spirits arts, but we can clearly benefit our spirits from them somehow.
 
This isn't quite accurate. We know that Meizhen was feeding a technique into her shadow spirit beast. We can't teach our spirits arts, but we can clearly benefit our spirits from them somehow.

Meizhen 'forced' her spirit into this path, yrsillar mentioned it in the previous thread. IIRC she deliberately shaped the spirit to do so.

@Grigori asked about this in the previous thread and this was yrsillqr's answer:

Spirits don't exactly learn arts, they develop inborn ones, tho they can pick up some basic utility tricks from other spirits
 
And that was part of the point of getting that type of spirit for Meizhen. Something about a lesser formed ego or something making it easier to force a spirit to be something.
 
Turn 5: Arc 1-3
Ling Qi began to wish that she had never begun to think about things like this.

"It always would have come up at some point," Sixiang pointed out, idly kicking their feet in the shimmering dream water.

Ling Qi sighed, looking out over the shore where they sat. It was still a little strange to be so literally enmeshed in her own mind, but it could be relaxing. "It's just, if Meizhen is right…" What did it say about her that she had never really thought of spirit beasts in the same way she thought of people. What did it mean for Zhengui? She called him little brother, but was he really only a pet to her?

"I think your taking the recrimination too far there," Sixiang said idly, their wispy rainbow hair drifted in an unfelt breeze as they stopped kicking their feet and turned to look at Zhengui. "People think and dream contradictory things all the time, you know? You definitely think of the big doof like family."

Ling Qi dipped her head in acknowledgement. She supposed that was what it came down too, a person was different than people. Yet, it still bothered her now that she thought about it. Now that she had been forced to acknowledge it. Did every spirit beast, count? Every simple animal? Every bit of quasi active elemental qi? Were barbarians supposed to be people too? If so, what did that mean for her current conundrum?

The simple fact was, the deaths she had inflicted on the bandits, and the renegade Bai had felt different than hunting beasts. It was different from attacking that barbarian shaman so long ago. She had even imagined killing before, thought darkly of what she would do to some of the people who had hurt her in the streets, or more recently, the ones who had abused their power over her mother. The reality had differed, had churned her stomach but, if she asked herself if she could still take satisfaction from those fantasies.The answer varied, for most, the idea seemed horrible now, but…

There were still a few that she could picture suffering those same fates, and feel nothing but satisfaction for. She had rejected the permanent torment that her mentor inflicted, but there were those who deserved to End. Ones who, even now, she would freeze the life from with hardly a moment's hesitation, if things were arranged such that there would be no further consequences. The Mirror that she had cultivated in her thoughts, and accepted into her spirit did not allow her to lie to herself in that. Was she a bad person then?

"I'm still pretty new to the concept, so I can't help much," Sixiang said with a helpless shrug. "But… hmm, Death is part of the world too, I think it comes down to the circumstances?"

"You're probably right," Ling Qi said with a sigh. "But I don't know if I should be the one judging that."

"Only you can judge yourself," Sixiang replied. "Don't you remember what auntie said? There's no fate or higher plans. The world is just countless dreams bouncing off one another and shaping the future. Right and wrong is down to you, and the people whose judgment you care about."

"That somehow doesn't feel as comforting anymore," Ling Qi replied dryly. She stood, brushing off her gown out of habit, despite the fact that not a single grain stuck. "...If I have to be the one who judges. I think I'd like some advice," she added quietly as her form shimmered and she vanished back into the waking world.

Though she couldn't say she knew him well, there was one person she knew who had to have considered the implications she was now thinking on very deeply indeed.

***

Finding the person in question did not prove too difficult, thankfully. Liao Zhu, her some time instructor and Senior Brother was currently logged at the central sect office as using one of the advanced training grounds available to disciples of the highest ranks, as she was technically his student for the duration of the military drills, she was able to acquire this information just by asking. There was definitely some use to learning the little details of how the Sect was run.

The training ground lay deeper in the mountainous Sect lands, a high snowy plateau ringed with formation warding arrays, both to repel spirits and keep the effects going off inside from damaging the surrounding environment. Upon arriving, Ling Qi had begun to search for a comfortable place to wait for him to emerge but… she had noticed that the entry array was in its unlocked state. If he did not want to be interrupted, surely he would have locked the arrays behind him.

She could admit to being a little curious too, as to what an advanced training ground entailed. So with only slight hesitation, Ling Qi stepped through. Immediately she found her senses under assault by sounds of combat, and the clash of metal on metal. She had walked into a battlefield. The ground was littered with gleaming black knives and the sky was full of phantoms. They were armored figures, weilding a variety of weapons, some mounted upon beasts while others strode through the air on boots trailing cloud. Even as she watched, more of the armored warriors were disgorged by a trio of complex arrays laid out around the training field.

They paid her no mind though, soaring up toward the center of the commotion. There, in the center of the churning chaos of phantasmal bodies, she spotted Liao Zhu. Well one of the figures she spotted was surely him anyway. Black knives fell like rain and when they pierced a phantom, through the head or heart, the constructs shattered into motes of light. Liao Zhu moved amongst them in a barely perceptible blur. There seemed to be at least a half dozen of him at any one time, mirror images that blurred and split and merged with no seeming rhyme or reason. Their every movement trailed blurring afterimages. Here a bracer clad arm seemed to split blocking three different blows from different angles and whipping out to fling another knife directly into the forehead of phantom at the same time. There one leapt upward bouncing off the head of a phantom and split into four, leaping in separate directions trailing afterimages of their own.

It was supremely confusing to try and follow, and Ling Qi could not begin to guess which one was the real one, even as her eyes instinctively flooded with moon qi. There was something else here too, something that leapt from the shadow of one construct to another faster than she could see. However, she only had a bare few moments to observe before she felt the fluctuation in the masterful weave of moonlight and darkness qi that lay over the training field, and met the Senior Disciple's eyes from across the battlefield.

Immediately, he made a sign with one hand, and the phantoms flooding the training field vanished in a rain of twinkling starlight. He fell to earth and landed in a crouch, all but one of his mirrored copies fading. They stood with eerie synchronicity and turned to face one another and bowed. A moment later, the one on the left rippled like the surface of a lake disturbed by a stone, and Ling Qi glimpsed a tall and androgynous figure dressed in robes of glimmering silver. Where it's face and head should have been was only a cloud of shimmering mist, and when she squinted at it, trying to see through to the face beneath, she only found herself staring back into her own eyes.

"Coming to peek at your Senior Brother without invitation Junior Sister Ling? While I am indeed a peerless spectacle, I had not thought you the type," He said, voice loud and bold as he turned to face her. The figure beside him vanished like morning mist. It was almost enough for her to miss the patch of blackness slithering across the ground to merge with the shadow pooled at his feet. "After all, is that not what your own moon spirit is for?"

"He's not wrong," Sixiang murmured, regaining, for a moment some of their humor.

"My apologies Senior Brother Liao," Ling Qi replied with a bow. "But you did leave the 'door' open. I cannot imagine that you would do so mistakenly."

"True enough," the masked young man replied. He glanced at the weaponry littering the ground and gave the knife in his right hand an elegant spin. The blades strewn across the earth dissolved, flowing back into the one in his hand like ribbons of mist. "You were not the visitor I had expected," he said, sounding more somber than usual.

Ling Qi frowned, feeling a little awkward. "I am sorry, did you wish for me to come back later?"

"No, no do not worry your head over your Senior Brother's disputes," he said, waving a hand now empty of weaponry dismissively as he strolled closer. "What is it that ails you junior sister? Nerves regarding the live exercises? Troubled cultivation? Advice about wooing a suitor or damaging a rival? Your humble Senior Brother can aid you in finding answers for all of that and more."

Ling Qi frowned at the barrage of offers, and the question of who he had been waiting for faded from her thoughts. She frowned as she considered how to word her request. "...Have you heard the rumors regarding Lady Cai and myself?"

"Which ones?" Liao Zhu asked, looking at her with amusement, as he tugged at his mask, straightening the snarling fangs. "That you are her secret shadow, crafted by her mother in and left to grow among the mortals as an experiment? Perhaps the one in which you are secret lovers in the vein of the Duchess' own escapades? Ah, or mayhaps you refer to the rumor wherein 'you' are merely the gown you wear, puppeting a hapless commoner who surely couldn't have risen to such heights on their own."

Ling Qi gaped at him and in her head, Sixiang snorted.

"Told you wearing the same dress all the time was a bad idea," her muse laughed, voice carried on the wind.

Ling Qi grimaced. "Hush you," she grumbled, glancing out of habit at the empty air where Sixiang's words emanated from. "No," she ground out. "I mean the things regarding our recent absence."

Liao Zhu regarded her silently, his bombastic amusement fading away in a moment. "A serious matter then. Let this Senior Brother apologize for his jape then," he replied sketching a bow. "I am afraid that I have been too busy to immerse myself in the sect rumor mill recently."

Ling Qi sighed, looking down. "...It's fine," she said. Perhaps it was best just to be blunt. "Bandits slipped over the border and stole something belonging to the duchess. They sacked a town and ran off. Lady Cai and I were sent to take care of it."

When she looked up, she found Liao Zhu looking at her gravely, arms crossed over his broad chest. "I see, you're first real combat then?"

"...I wouldn't say that," Ling Qi murmured. "I've fought beasts and spirits lethally and… once, there was a barbarian, but…" Even for a savage, he had been more monster than man, and had killed himself before her arrow could land regardless.

"It is not the same. You took lives then?" He asked gently.

"...Many, and one directly, with my own hands," Ling Qi replied. Even with her senses extended across the battlefield, the ones who had fallen in her Mist seemed more distant, perhaps because of how many ways her attention had been divided when the blow fell. Not so the renegade Bai.

"It is a hard thing," he agreed neutrally.

"I-How do you deal with it?" Ling Qi asked. "I mean I suppose you mostly deal with barbarians, but…"

"Not so, my hands are crimson with imperial blood as well," Liao Zhu interrupted. "Bandits, deserters, even those who defect, seeking to join our foes. I have played judge and executioner for them all, and…"

"And?" Ling Qi asked cautiously.

"And the look of life and spirit fading is much the same, imperial or barbarian," he finished grimly. "However in this one thing, your Senior Brother can only be of limited help."

"Oh," Ling Qi replied, feeling deflated, some part of her had hoped that he would have some wise answer that could put her doubts to rest.

"I have told you before what I seek. To find ways to prevent people from falling into the extremes of vice and crime, and when that fails… Precise and exact justice, cutting with the precision of a surgeon's blade, removing only the most diseased of tissue in the name of bringing health to the body of the empire," he continued. "Too that end, I have ended lives. To that end, I must never cease questioning the rightness of my actions. If solace and acceptance is what you seek, I cannot help."

"No easy answers huh," Sixiang murmured, and Ling Qi felt the phantom touch of a hand on her shoulder.

"I guess it was a little silly for me to expect there to be one. I even had a bunch of great spirits telling me that things were complicated," Ling Qi said wryly. "I'm sorry for wasting your time Senior Brother."

"It is not wasted. I remain a font of powerful advice," The older disciple replied, some of his humor returning. "Junior Sister, you will face such choices again and again in this cruel world of ours. Do not allow yourself to become convinced that lives are without weight. That is the path of the tyrant and the butcher. Neither should you be excessive in your mercy however. Weigh the lives that fall into your hands, and consider the value of each one, the good and the harm that it might do if left unsevered. When you have, then you can make your choice in good conscience."

Ling Qi looked down. She remembered the village's broken walls and ruined fields. She remembered her glimpse of still smoldering buildings and bloodstained streets. She considered the things that she was only just becoming aware of. The potential for violence and instability that the raid had created, spreading far beyond any one village. She tried to weigh it against dead faces in the mud and a cracked tangle of frozen limbs.

"...I don't think I like this," Ling Qi said quietly, not looking up.

"If you did, I would be deeply concerned, Junior Sister," he replied wryly. For a moment, he looked as if he was going to tussle her hair like a fond older brother, but he seemed to think better of it and turned away. "Regardless. You should seek to settle yourself, you have only a few days until the exercises."

Ling Qi straightened up and nodded. She would just have to keep walking her path, doubts and all.

You have a short amount of time to cultivate before you depart into barbarian territory. In that time you will cultivate…

[] Sable Crescent Step
[] Curious Diviner's Eye
[] Thousand Ring Fortress
 
Not seeing a moratorium so I'm going to go ahead with my favorite art:

[] Thousand Ring Fortress
 
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[] Curious Diviner's Eye

Well, we are training to be a scout, right? Improving our information-gathering skills will likely pay for itself in no time at all.

Although Sable Crescent Step would be a close second for me...
 
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Liao Zhu my affections remain with you forever..........

But also his entire training sequence was really fucking cool looking, holy shit.

It's definite that there wasn't any kind of easy answer to this, but it's nice to get another perspective.

Also interesting is getting an eyeful of sideplots happening. After all, many people have their own issues to work on.

And he's still super hot ok. Moon-bro................
 
Yet, it still bothered her now that she thought about it. Now that she had been forced to acknowledge it. Did every spirit beast, count? Every simple animal? Every bit of quasi active elemental qi? Were barbarians supposed to be people too?

Spirit Beast > Simple Animals > Active Scraps Of Qi > Barbarians

Yep, this is just how powerful our ability to turn off our empathy really is. It is a big button labelled "Other", and after we've ceased to consider someone as inside our ingroup, they cease to be human beings.

She frowned as she considered how to word her request. "...Have you heard the rumors regarding Lady Cai and myself?"

"Which ones?" Liao Zhu asked, looking at her with amusement, as he tugged at his mask, straightening the snarling fangs. "That you are her secret shadow, crafted by her mother in and left to grow among the mortals as an experiment? Perhaps the one in which you are secret lovers in the vein of the Duchess' own escapades? Ah, or mayhaps you refer to the rumor wherein 'you' are merely the gown you wear, puppeting a hapless commoner who surely couldn't have risen to such heights on their own."

Ling Qi gaped at him and in her head, Sixiang snorted.

"Told you wearing the same dress all the time was a bad idea," her muse laughed, voice carried on the wind.

Ling Qi grimaced. "Hush you," she grumbled,

Lol at these rumors. Qi really does need to diversify, her desire for the best stats doesn't make a ton of sense when there are no ambushes in Inner Sect.

"No," she ground out. "I mean the things regarding our recent absence."

Liao Zhu regarded her silently, his bombastic amusement fading away in a moment. "A serious matter then. Let this Senior Brother apologize for his jape then," he replied sketching a bow. "I am afraid that I have been too busy to immerse myself in the sect rumor mill recently."

Ling Qi sighed, looking down. "...It's fine," she said.

Knew it was a good idea to come to you, Moon Boi.

"I-How do you deal with it?" Ling Qi asked. "I mean I suppose you mostly deal with barbarians, but…"

"Not so, my hands are crimson with imperial blood as well," Liao Zhu interrupted. "Bandits, deserters, even those who defect, seeking to join our foes. I have played judge and executioner for them all, and…"

"And?" Ling Qi asked cautiously.

"And the look of life and spirit fading is much the same, imperial or barbarian," he finished grimly.

Well, at least this guy has fully realized that we're all the same.

"I have told you before what I seek. To find ways to prevent people from falling into the extremes of vice and crime, and when that fails… Precise and exact justice, cutting with the precision of a surgeon's blade, removing only the most diseased of tissue in the name of bringing health to the body of the empire," he continued. "Too that end, I have ended lives. To that end, I must never cease questioning the rightness of my actions. If solace and acceptance is what you seek, I cannot help."

Yet another reason to love this guy. Always seek to strike the exactly correct balance between justice and mercy, for there are real consequences for going too far in either direction, and never allow yourself to stop questioning if you're doing the correct thing.

For a moment, he looked as if he was going to tussle her hair like a fond older brother, but he seemed to think better of it and turned away.

Definitely good call there, Qi probably wouldn't have responded well to it, though she has probably relaxed more at this point. He's being a great senpai.

[] Sable Crescent Step

Seems like a good pick. We're almost done with it, so being able to get the capstone technique of goddamn SCS before the exercise seems like the most advantageous way to spend this time frame.
 
"Which ones?" Liao Zhu asked, looking at her with amusement, as he tugged at his mask, straightening the snarling fangs. "That you are her secret shadow, crafted by her mother in and left to grow among the mortals as an experiment? Perhaps the one in which you are secret lovers in the vein of the Duchess' own escapades? Ah, or mayhaps you refer to the rumor wherein 'you' are merely the gown you wear, puppeting a hapless commoner who surely couldn't have risen to such heights on their own."

Swaying Twilight Gown: *gownspeak* "...shit they're on to me?!"
 
Alright, I'm going to make my pitch for SCS.

Advancing to the last level of SCS is a huge power spike for mobility and defense, like it's really potent. It gives us a tech which allows us to go 200m away from the destination (essentially like a miniature escape talisman) while also allowing our basic dodge skill to ignore the impact of some attacks. It also improves any sneak attacks we may do with One with Shadow.

Essentially, it does a significant boost for mobility and dodge, while still giving an appreciable buff to our single target offensive capabilities. It's pretty fantastic.
 
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We're probably voting on which art we finish before heading off. In my opinion, SCS's capstone technique is amazing and significantly better than the final levels of the other arts, especially for our upcoming mission.

[] Sable Crescent Step
 
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We should probably consider what the next rank gets us on these three arts.
CDE: Ability to scry, some small improvements in eyes and in bypassing defense
SCS: More speed, auto dodge or bypass defense w/teleport
TRF: More Stamina and resolve for allies, more poison/disease resist. Deepwood vitality doubles number of targets, ten ring defense is persistent, Hundred ring armament duration increase to long with more targets, Thousand rings unbreakable is auto do not die once per scene.

So it kinda depends on what we are planning on doing in the scouting arena. CDE would allow us to remote view our targets once we know of them. SCS would make us survive better and give more mobility. TRF would help if we are scouting as a group.
 
SCS capstone is really good. It basically an automatic dodge so long as we still have Qi.

It makes me think of exalted perfect defenses. Never leave home without them.
 
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Should also note, whichever we choose will probably also have the insight vote attached to it. That may affect which one we want maxed.
 
Should also note, whichever we choose will probably also have the insight vote attached to it. That may affect which one we want maxed.
Well we are not going to hit a bottleneck due to lack of insights no matter what so if it is not something that we like we can feel free to drop it.
 
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