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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest

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I say, if we're gonna mistreat the ambassador we should not do permanent damage and certainly not kill him...I do want to give him the Wormtongue treatment though.

We physically grab him by the collar, throw him out the door and send him rolling down the steps of our castle, and tell him to get the fuck out or we'll take his head and mail it home.

You can make a statement without going full Sparta, let's show that we're angry but not a barbarian...this is mostly so the war doesn't start before we're ready, and being the bigger man while still making clear that we are damn-furious.
 
Nox said:
I say, if we're gonna mistreat the ambassador we should not do permanent damage and certainly not kill him...I do want to give him the Wormtongue treatment though.

We physically grab him by the collar, throw him out the door and send him rolling down the steps of our castle, and tell him to get the fuck out or we'll take his head and mail it home.

You can make a statement without going full Sparta, let's show that we're angry but not a barbarian...this is mostly so the war doesn't start before we're ready, and being the bigger man while still making clear that we are damn-furious.
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Honestly, any injury or insult to him is going to cause us issues. I want to do MANY things to him. But just telling him to silently leave and escort him out of our country is what we'll probably do. Our spies however... Well, I'm sure they have much more leeway.
 
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Benthos said:
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HAve you forgotten Ambrosia? She and her movement try to dissolve slavery and in my opinion, is the ONLY faction that we should work with, the only legitimate "people" of Maretona.

Don't work with slaver or slaver enthusiast, then they will see YOU as the new slave to gain.
p.s.
They don't have any laws about slave wellbeing, right? :anger:

fictionfan said:
Don't these idiots realize that war is the most common way that monarchs centerline control? If they want to keep the queen weak a war should be the last thing they want.
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As far as I can tell the "nobles" want a return to the "good old days" where they have less "government oversight" and can do to their slaves whatever they want, and they think ALL THE WORLD BELONGS TO THEM! All countries/dictatorships/slavers/murderers that don't value lives think like that. They will do everything to make more slaves, more missery, more pain.

Ambrosia's movement is the only thing that prevents me from saying: "Hey guys! Let's invent magical nukes and nuke this shit to the ground!"
 
[X] Pay Any Cost
I understand the point but this secures our citizens leaving our hands free to act I don't feel comfortable waiting a year to rely on our spies hopefully getting them out.
 
Nox said:
We physically grab him by the collar, throw him out the door and send him rolling down the steps of our castle, and tell him to get the fuck out or we'll take his head and mail it home.
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Depending on how large the staircase is, he might just die or be heavily injured from the fall.
Falling down stairs isn't like in the cartoons, and I'm assuming this quest is based mostly on real life physics and not Pinkie-physics.
 
[x] Pay Any Cost: You'll pay the fee and compensate the Maretonian Nobility for their "property". A King's ransom it may be, but it's a small price to pay for the speedy and safe return of dozens of Imperial Citizens. -5000 Gold. Guaranteed Immediate Return of Your People, Chance for Normalized Relations with Maretonia.

They use proper soldiers, not slave soldiers it appears. Good. That means we don't need to worry about the obvious plan.

Pay them off, the wealth goes to the rebellious nobles. Inspire them to rebel fully against their queen using the funds we paid them. Work with the abolitionist group to undermine the entire nation and free slaves.

And when they're weakened and our strength and access to anti-magical equipment alongside our military has grown, come in like a wrecking liberation ball.
 
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So regardless of what happens here, I'm guessing we're gonna try to get "the Breaker of Chains" into our list of titles one way or another?
 
Asmodemus said:
*Pecker of Chains

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I mean Breaker is more fitting, since I'm pretty sure Garrick can literally break chains with his bare claws.
But yes :p
Or the Talons of the Free, anything cool and bird punny like yours can work.

I voted for 'Bear Any Burden' because I reasoned that 'Pay Any Cost' can mean we are willing to "Pay" with the time of our people, so they must hold on, the talons are coming down.
BTW we should totally create a Slave Liberation Corps from our spies. They've proven it works in the Sombra Campaign.
 
Plausitivity said:
I voted for 'Bear Any Burden' because I reasoned that 'Pay Any Cost' can mean we are willing to "Pay" with the time of our people, so they must hold on, the talons are coming down.
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No, Pay Any Cost is we toss a buncha money at them we get our people back immediately since their raised objections are rendered null. And if they still object and hold on it's pretty clearly public rebellion against their queen now. Which would start a civil war which we could fan the flames of more.

If we Bear Any Burden we're giving the rebellious nobles an outside force to focus on instead of rebelling against their queen and causing strife in the nation, which would benefit us in tearing it down. Outside threats do distract from internal problems and all.
 
Lisain said:
As for land grabs... don't really think we need all that much more land if we do manage to get to war. passing off most of it to neighpon would be fine. The pirate island is all theirs really. if land does come out of our slave holding neighbors, we could probably just take a bit off the border and pass the rest to neighpon. they sorely need some space.
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yeah I was thinking we'd kinda do the reverse of what we did in the crystal empire where instead we just take up a single base for a port and then give the rest of the land to Neighpon
 
[X] Pay Any Cost

I'd rather not rush into a war when we actually have a chance to plan and prepare. Buy our people back, and then focus on weakening them before conflict. Think about what we can do with a few years. We could take out the pirates before the war, meaning they won't be a constant thorn in our side. And we can build ties with the abolitionists, which would drastically improve our intelligence gathering and give us the chance to fund insurrection in their home territories. If we go tearing off straight to war, we might miss out on those opportunities. That's worth the indignity of paying a ransom in my opinion.
 
jjffjhjf said:
We don't have good means of getting there, and our people would still be slaves until we did. Why not just pay the cost, assassinate the people who took our folks as slaves, take the money back, and help the abolitionists.
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Because that's a poor decision when the entire backbone of their society is slave labor and their military is mercenaries.

How many mercenaries can the nobles plotting violent overthrowal hire with 5000 gold? How quickly can they liquidate that much gold into slaves or land we can't seize back. It's moronic to assume the nobles aren't going to spend the majority of an entire empire's yearly income into the vast number of assets we can't repossess and they know that. It's not going to be in some convenient pile we can snag back.

So, hell no to empowering and legitimizing the opposition all in the vague hope we can secretly kill every last one of them without Maretonia taking issue to our systematic attacks on their ruling class. All while smuggling out entire wagons of bullion.
 
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Karugus said:
Because that's a poor decision when the entire backbone of their society is slave labor and their military is mercenaries.

How many mercenaries can the nobles plotting violent overthrowal hire with 5000 gold? How quickly can they liquidate that much gold into slaves or land we can't seize back. It's moronic to assume the nobles aren't going to spend the majority of an entire empire's yearly income into the vast number of assets we can't repossess and they know that. It's not going to be in some convenient pile we can snag back.

So, hell no to empowering and legitimizing the opposition all in the vague hope we can secretly kill every last one of them without Maretonia taking issue to our systematic attacks on their ruling class. All while smuggling out entire wagons of bullion.
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Based on our spies previous success... it seems viable to me.
 
This talk of bears makes me think there are aquatic bears to our south-west.
Bear cavalry friends?
 
jjffjhjf said:
Based on our spies previous success... it seems viable to me.
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Information, and slaves no one was looking for. Killing several noble noteworthies in a rapid span of time- all in such a way that Maretonia and the nobles already against us don't go to war over the murder of their aristocratic elite. That's not going to be easy by any measure- and would certainly be more decisive than any of our other intrigue successes.

So gambling on a crit like that seems entirely unnecessary.
 
Karugus said:
Information, and slaves no one was looking for. Killing several noble noteworthies in a rapid span of time- all in such a way that Maretonia and the nobles already against us don't go to war over the murder of their aristocratic elite. That's not going to be easy by any measure- and would certainly be more decisive than any of our other intrigue successes.

So gambling on a crit like that seems entirely unnecessary.
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gambling on a war with people who can control the weather and have tens of thousands of magically capable unicorns also sounds like a terrible idea.
 
Karugus said:
How many mercenaries can the nobles plotting violent overthrowal hire with 5000 gold? How quickly can they liquidate that much gold into slaves or land we can't seize back. It's moronic to assume the nobles aren't going to spend the majority of an entire empire's yearly income into the vast number of assets we can't repossess and they know that. It's not going to be in some convenient pile we can snag back.

So, hell no to empowering and legitimizing the opposition all in the vague hope we can secretly kill every last one of them without Maretonia taking issue to our systematic attacks on their ruling class. All while smuggling out entire wagons of bullion.
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I was hoping to inspire the obviously rebellious guys into civil war against their queen using our awesome intrigue and perhaps diplomacy and coming in to conquer them once they've torn apart the country in it.

After all, it's not just these particular griffon owning nobles we have issues with, it's the entire ruling class, including their cutie of a queen.
 
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