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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@DragonParadox, Varys was summoning a lot of devils. More than could really be managed just by buying scrolls (and were did he buy them, anyway? Shouldn't we know that?). And there were various devil-cultist cells around the place, presumably indirectly doing his bidding and summoning lesser devils. Yet summoning devils is actually really hard (Lesser Planar Binding requires level 7, for example).
I suspect that there exists ritual magic to allow cults to summon devils despite having nothing but very low-level mages and enthusiastic mundane cultists. It's presumably slow and/or risky, but explains why there are so many imps and stuff flying around. Could Bloodraven confirm or deny this theory?

My only other explanation is that Varys summoned and enslaved some creature capable of summoning other devils (the Uniila?), and started everything from there. Could Bloodraven confirm or deny that?
 
Guys, I'm fine with just talking to them, and that's for down the road, anyway. I've put x's into my vote. Let's see where this goes.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@DragonParadox, Varys was summoning a lot of devils. More than could really be managed just by buying scrolls (and were did he buy them, anyway? Shouldn't we know that?). And there were various devil-cultist cells around the place, presumably indirectly doing his bidding and summoning lesser devils. Yet summoning devils is actually really hard (Lesser Planar Binding requires level 7, for example).
I suspect that there exists ritual magic to allow cults to summon devils despite having nothing but very low-level mages and enthusiastic mundane cultists. It's presumably slow and/or risky, but explains why there are so many imps and stuff flying around. Could Bloodraven confirm or deny this theory?

My only other explanation is that Varys summoned and enslaved some creature capable of summoning other devils (the Uniila?), and started everything from there. Could Bloodraven confirm or deny that?
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You know Varys got most of his magic items from the Empire of the Bloodstone Emperor.
 
DragonParadox said:
Also you might want to consider the moral implications
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I have never ever convinced anyone of anything with "moral implications" and gave up on bothering with them years ago.

I left the thread for a few months following us giving up freeing Velen in exchange for a magic item no one remembers or cares about.

edit: I do appreciate the thought though.
 
@Snowfire maybe mention how Baelor was given peaceful rest without mentioning Bloodraven? Making sure we didn't cause true soul death and such.

[X] Snowfire
 
It kills a piece of my pedantic little soul every time I see y'all call the Brain Spider spell Mind Spider.

I know that's crazy, but I'm just that kind of abomination. :oops:
 
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DragonParadox said:
He does not though your rakshasha knows some of that and Melisandre might know more.
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Might vs. probably.

I find it difficult to believe she isn't at least familiar with the local legends enough to go "yeah there's probably stuff like this out there" if not outright "slew one of those last year, nasty things".
 
You know, it's pretty ironic that Mr "it's only a matter of time before they fuck up" Lucan had that exact thing happen to him.

Maybe that's what shaped his policy? But I don't think Baelor going rogue is old enough.

Snowfire said:
I'm going to have to ask how you think we can, in any scenario, continue to have access to the Conclave? As in, how you would go about keeping it. Because Dywen is done.
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As of now, only Danelle knows for sure, tho we might as well count Lucan there.

If they don't tattle, at least for now, then we can carry on.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know, it's pretty ironic that Mr "it's only a matter of time before they fuck up" Lucan had that exact thing happen to him.

Maybe that's what shaped his policy? But I don't think Baelor going rogue is old enough.


As of now, only Danelle knows for sure, tho we might as well count Lucan there.

If they don't tattle, at least for now, then we can carry on.
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Danelle had issues with taking on a false guise and saying things that would be interpreted as someone divinely inspired because of how convincing we are, though of course neither could really stop us from influencing things indirectly.
 
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