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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Maybe could try focusing instead dividing them from a thelogical viewpoint, which lucian is perpared for. Maybe we could try spliting them over jurisdiction and funds and other such temporal matters. Is it possible?
 
Duesal said:
I'm still proud of that. In one move the Lannisters and Baratheons and Devils lost a foremost supplier of magical goods. And we conveniently set up our own alchemical productions soon after.
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Agreed.
We took out a major power that would have been a problem during conquest, ensured that Devils' plans won't go further in whatever direction they were, and lessened the amount of independent magical powers Westeros held.
This is the kind of win, that I wouldn't have minded mind losing a few (5-10) thousand more people for.
 
Ok...probably not going to be able to votecraft tonight. Had a long day, and dinner seems to have made me more tired instead of less.

@Goldfish have Dany and the other Companions go looking for Lucan's Godsworn, under maximum paranoia mode spells and mundane disguises from Tyene. I'd stay away from Aglantine unless we go in a different guise, but something I could see us doing is driving a wedge between Maer and Lucan. Talk to her, in the context of 'your opinion has greatly changed from what I believed it would be' and if she gives us the opportunity hit her with the feared conclusion which Lucan's course leads to. I doubt she'd be any great fan of a radical theocracy, either.

@DragonParadox would this be correct?

Essentially, let the anti-magic crowd isolate themselves, and direct our focus to constructing a moderate group capable of blocking any possible votes Lucan brings that could lay groundwork for a theocracy. At this point, the best split here is two minor factions - Lucan and anti-magic - with a central tent that stretches from 'pro-Fae' to 'peace and tradition'. That central tent won't work together that often, but when it does, it'll be able to bully the rest of the Faith into doing what it wants and sidelining the two minor factions.
 
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Or there's the not-actually-crazy option of going to talk to Lucan as Dywen, with the same reasoning we were going to give to the Godsworn that weren't present. Come as a brother, seeking to understand when what he has heard from road and rumour have clearly been gravely mistaken.

@DragonParadox you said Kyle would have given us some background on the leaders of the parties involved in the Conclave. What did he tell us about Lucan?
 
Snowfire said:
Essentially, let the anti-magic crowd isolate themselves, and direct our focus to constructing a moderate group capable of blocking any possible votes Lucan brings that could lay groundwork for a theocracy. At this point, the best split here is two minor factions - Lucan and anti-magic - with a central tent that stretches from 'pro-Fae' to 'peace and tradition'. That central tent won't work together that often, but when it does, it'll be able to bully the rest of the Faith into doing what it wants and sidelining the two minor factions.
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Leaving a faction that's pro-fey as the biggest part has its own problems, since it makes the Court of Stars work in the Reach easier.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Leaving a faction that's pro-fey as the biggest part has its own problems, since it makes the Court of Stars work in the Reach easier.
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It's...no. Artemis, the biggest faction isn't pro-fey. It's a combination of pro-fey, Maer, Olindor and whatever independents can be sucked into that group. Pry Maer away from Lucan and things get rather interesting.
 
How's this, @Snowfire?

[X] Have your companions seek out Lucan's mages while you speak to one of the major players in the Starry Sept. They will operate with extreme caution, taking every reasonable step to remain undiscovered, including layering mundane disguises under their magical ones.
-[X] Seek out Septa Maer. After introductions are made, delicately mention her shift in stance toward the practice of magic. While we are glad to see her moderate her views, the change has been rather abrupt according to what we've heard from fellow attendees. Ask what brought about such a radical shift and how those among her faction are reacting to it.
--[X] If Viserys thinks it appropriate, he will broach the subject of why the Faith would need to gather such a frighteningly large force of mages under its banner. Who would they be used against, and more importantly, who would lead them? Lucan?
 
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The idea is to approach the issue from the direction of "If the Faith is to gather an arsenal for itself, then what would it be used against? And who would lead such matters?"

If that makes sense, @Goldfish
 
Snowfire said:
The idea is to approach the issue from the direction of "If the Faith is to gather an arsenal for itself, then what would it be used against? And who would lead such matters?"

If that makes sense, @Goldfish
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Like this?

[X] Have your companions seek out Lucan's mages while you speak to one of the major players in the Starry Sept. They will operate with extreme caution, taking every reasonable step to remain undiscovered, including layering mundane disguises under their magical ones.
-[X] Seek out Septa Maer. After introductions are made, delicately mention her shift in stance toward the practice of magic. While we are glad to see her moderate her views, the change has been rather abrupt according to what we've heard from fellow attendees. Ask what brought about such a radical shift and how those among her faction are reacting to it.
--[X] If Viserys thinks it appropriate, he will broach the subject of why the Faith would need to gather such a frighteningly large force of mages under its banner. Who would they be used against, and more importantly, who would lead them? Lucan?
 
Snowfire said:
Or there's the not-actually-crazy option of going to talk to Lucan as Dywen, with the same reasoning we were going to give to the Godsworn that weren't present. Come as a brother, seeking to understand when what he has heard from road and rumour have clearly been gravely mistaken.

@DragonParadox you said Kyle would have given us some background on the leaders of the parties involved in the Conclave. What did he tell us about Lucan?
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Nothing you did not already know sadly:
  1. The man is a skilled theologian
  2. Obviously a powerful mage
  3. Very earnest about the gods
Kyle very pointedly did not say the words Chosen of the Seven because he did not want to risk Dywen beign swayed
 
Goldfish said:
Like this?

[X] Have your companions seek out Lucan's mages while you speak to one of the major players in the Starry Sept. They will operate with extreme caution, taking every reasonable step to remain undiscovered, including layering mundane disguises under their magical ones.
-[X] Seek out Septa Maer. After introductions are made, delicately mention her shift in stance toward the practice of magic. While we are glad to see her moderate her views, the change has been rather abrupt according to what we've heard from fellow attendees. Ask what brought about such a radical shift and how those among her faction are reacting to it.
--[X] If Viserys thinks it appropriate, he will broach the subject of why the Faith would need to gather such a frighteningly large force of mages under its banner. Who would they be used against, and more importantly, who would lead them? Lucan?
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No, um...frak it.

[X] Have your companions seek out Lucan's mages while you speak to one of the major players in the Starry Sept. They will operate with extreme caution, taking every reasonable step to remain undiscovered, including layering mundane disguises under their magical ones.
-[X] Seek out Septa Maer. After introductions are made, delicately mention her shift in stance toward the practice of magic. While we are glad to see her moderate her views, the change has been rather abrupt according to what we've heard from fellow attendees. Ask what brought about such a radical shift and how those among her faction are reacting to it. This is entirely nonjudgemental, simply the curiosity of a fellow believer, trying to understand.
--[X] If Viserys thinks it appropriate, he will broach the subject of why the Faith would need to gather so many powerful mages and turn the talents of lesser miracle workers to constructing what could be seen by others as an arsenal. For what purpose would they be gathered, and perhaps more importantly, whose? The point of this is to try and direct Maer towards the possibility of the Faith's charity being used against it, with an aim of needless war.
 
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