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- France
Confidence is important. Now we're working on that objective, and we still have a strong chance of achieving it.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I don't usually do this, but ultimately I can't answer that. I can't make value judgements for the thread. I gave that IC warning under the clause from the salt-storm in the Opaline Vault, which was that if something is very dangerous I will tell you it is very dangerous and if something looks unlikely I will give you the character's judgment on that
Beyond that I do not think I should be in this discussion.
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- Germany
On one hand, I really appreciate this return to difficulty, last month was a bit too much of a victory lap.
On the other hand it's in field where I can't really help us out since my best idea for dealing with the Faith is and will remain to call out the Father to settle this one on one, Avatar vs Dragon and the winner gets Westeros.
This seems eminently sensible to me and will result in the least amount of casualties.
That does not seem to be the prefered solution of the thread and I'm no good in theological discussions so kinda stumped what to bring to the table here.
On the other hand it's in field where I can't really help us out since my best idea for dealing with the Faith is and will remain to call out the Father to settle this one on one, Avatar vs Dragon and the winner gets Westeros.
This seems eminently sensible to me and will result in the least amount of casualties.
That does not seem to be the prefered solution of the thread and I'm no good in theological discussions so kinda stumped what to bring to the table here.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
I think we should send some Dany and Companions in search of Lucan's entourage while we focus on someone else in the Conclave.
I wonder if we could influence Aglantine?
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- Germany
Not a joke by the way.
Let's look at what we and the Seven offer in comparison?
Father: Justice and good lordship.
Our Justice system, far from perfect as it is, is fairer than anything Westeros has, which the Faith approves of so far. And our lands are blooming, with more and more immigrants daily.
Warrior: Security from outer and inner threats.
We are a hell of a lot better at dealing with both obvious demonic and Deep threats than Westeros has proven so far, we are also less riddled with Devil cults and other infiltrating foes. Not a difficult bar to clear, given that they let a Mindflayer buy large amounts of Wildfire in KL.
Mother & Maiden: Charity, healing, mercy.
We have a solid social security, better healthcare than any non-High-Magic nation could possibly achieve and a punishment system that activly works to reform people, rather than cutting of limbs and letting them go on as before.
Smith: Craft and economy.
Not only are we constantly building things that would have counted as Worldwonders a few years ago, our economy is also constantly growing at an insane rate (I'm assuming that still happens for now, we'll see how it goes without Azel)
Oh, and we have many dozens of magecrafters improving our Imperium and are slowly working our way towards a magictech industrial revolution.
Crone: Knowledge and Wisdom
We are not only gathering incredible amounts of knowledge, we are also efficiently working on spreading to all people through public education, the Scholarium and recently a new university.
Stranger: Well, who really needs humility before death anyway?
So all things seen from above we are objectivly doing a better job than the Seven in all things their devout followers should care about.
Therefore I can only conclude that a demonstration that they have no divine wrath to fear for we are more powerful in this realm than a god sending down what power he can would be the capstone that could convice every rational man or woman in Westeros that they should choose us over the Seven.
Edit: And for the afterlife-worries we can always offer the talk to an actual Angel how he got to heaven long before the Seven were a thing.
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Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
Very much so. I'm tempted to point Kyle towards the implications of Lucan's ideology, as we gathered from our conversation with him, but only after we've had some proper information gathering done on the man.
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- Castle
How do we accomplish said info gathering tho?
And should Viserys approach the other factions? The Septa looks like she is in need of some help
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
If all of the Godsworn Lucan has have Mind Blank, I'll eat my (admittedly non-existent) hat.
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- ?????????
No we can't do that. It is a waste of life and Viserys would never do such a thing. Wholly out of character for him I am afraid.
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- Castle
That was something I forgot to erase from that post, thought you should start picking a preference, I have heard top hats are a little hard to chew fwiw
Still, besides sending the party to look for info should Viserys mingle with other people in search of info on Lucan without diplo buffs.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
We could, but won't.
Just suggesting options.
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- Germany
Not if he thinks it would work.
He has spend far more lifes before.
Edit: For direct comparison take the Alchemist's Guild.
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- Brazil
Tbh, what I'm expecting to accomplish here is to blow the fey thing wide open, and get the faith to accept magic.
More than that seems unlikely.
More than that seems unlikely.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
Why would we do this?
What's the point?
Fey would retaliate. Do we really want dealing with CoS going all-out batshit insane on us, with every other enemy we already have?
I don't understand why we should "achieve" anything here.
Wasn't our purpose to actually keep everyone from agreeing on anything, and keeping them disjoined, and as such - safe?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
The Alchemist's Guild removal was a surgical strike designed to minimize loss of civilian life. We even did it when we knew there wouldn't be as many Alchemists on site, because it was more important to prevent Devil shenanigans.
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I think that the logic was that if the conclave figured out about the motive then the fey's attention would be focused on the conclave rather than the person who caused them to find out.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
As we learn more of the clergy and their goals, we are going to have to revise our expectations. Using the Fey as a wedge issue might end up being our best bet to divide the Faith.
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- Who knows?
So converting Maer was a huge mistake, and Lucan was not as crazy as we thought. Things have been passing way too easily.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
To be fair, it still stands as proof that Viserys will kill people if he feels it needs to be done. He'll try and kill as few others as possible, but he'll do it.
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- United States
I'm still proud of that. In one move the Lannisters and Baratheons and Devils lost a foremost supplier of magical goods. And we conveniently set up our own alchemical productions soon after.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Maer wasn't a mistake, IMO. Whatever happens, we have a direct line to one of the more important figures within the Faith.
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- being near locations is my passion.
Well, they will have to find out it was Viserys who reveled the consequence of the Fey taking over (and I think we should do that regardless of everything else, reveal, that is).
I feel that the splintering plan was built on the idea of the sort of person who would rip Baelor from heaven, and force him into being an angel when he just. wasn't. ready. (for whatever reason; see his physical appearance as proof) would be our main opponent.
For whatever reason, the man who chose to do that is presenting himself as the person who we are seeing now, and is making any splintering attempts look much more challenging from my perspective, to put it lightly.
The first paragraph I stand by strongly, the second (and third)... Has further implications I would like to review my sources for before committing to expanding upon. Please bear with me for a few hours.
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I had the motivation of "not risk fighting the high powered devil in a city" myself.
When the smaller devil that had the summon device failed its diplocheck to summon it out in the middle of nowhere, I was downright crushed
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