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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Snowfire said:
The Denarians on their own? Certainly not so simply. But consider what Power was responsible for Passover.

Protip; it wasn't the Fallen
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The Angel of Death yes, but the Queen of Air and Darkness is as powerful an angel and Mother Winter stronger still. Both have a legitimate claim on the Lady's soul and life and thus can leverage that strength. Breaking a single strand of the curse should not be beyond them I think.
 
DragonParadox said:
not a single bird sag, not beast moved.
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Sang.
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ne of the two women warriors
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I think it's woman, as it's an adjective here.
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pay much head to him
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Heed.
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Fiend
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... Did Waymar just punk Sigmar?
DragonParadox said:
As more misshapen things wielding jagged blades, their faces veiled by writhing tentacles, emerged from the barrow Waymar looked upon them with scorn, almost with amusement. "You have been spending too much time in the dark. If you had come out some time in the past month you might have noticed we are the winged figures held without fear in the hands of children, the world is changing, not just becoming more of what it was."
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Isn't this supposed to be Leto speaking? "We are the winged figures" and all that?
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
@DragonParadox what templates do we have unlocked in the fungus forge? I only remember a couple. I know we have the King-Killer, Druid creature shadow and advanced creatures but was there anything else?
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Unlocked:
Advanced
Druid Creature
Plant Creature (for obvious reasons)

Needs a bit of research:
Draconic
Kingkiller

Needs to have requisite sacrifice tossed to the Fungus Forge, but after that it's automatic:
Cleric Creature
Sorcerer Creature
Wizard Creature
 
Vote closed... now I need to figure out how to make telepathic communion interesting.
Adhoc vote count started by egoo on May 7, 2019 at 2:25 AM, finished with 84 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Plan Bloodraven Download
    -[X] Remain in Oldtown
    --[X] Speak with Bloodraven Telepathically using the Varys Simulacrum as a go-between in order to learn what he knows of the High Septon and any other power players among the Faith, especially those expected to attend the Conclave.
    --[X] Speak at Septon Kyle's gathering as Dywen.
    ---[X] Preach against fear in all its forms; fear of the unknown, of those who are different, of those who possess magic, and of simple change. Focus on hope for the future and the positive effects a society unburdened by the unreasonable fears which can turn good men into tyrants, faithful men into sinners, and charitable men into misers.
    [X] Travel to KL to see if you can speak with 'Varys' (Includes minor action questions)
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Duesal said:
Unlocked:
Advanced
Druid Creature
Plant Creature (for obvious reasons)

Needs a bit of research:
Draconic
Kingkiller

Needs to have requisite sacrifice tossed to the Fungus Forge, but after that it's automatic:
Cleric Creature
Sorcerer Creature
Wizard Creature
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I thought we had already unlocked Kingkiller. Or was that as a research option? As for templates not much then. Makes sense. Vee has been busy with other projects.
 
Hey everyone, thanks for keeping your depressing spoilers in spoiler tags.


@Snowfire, @TotallyNotEvil : I haven't watched the season yet, but here's my theory regarding your hot takes on how shitty it all is:
The producers aren't ruining GRRM's work. GRRM actually plotted out all that and is trying to get it published in Winds of Winter, but his publishers are fighting him tooth and nail and begging him to rewrite it :V
 
So! Sharra Rogare has recovered Truth, and now Andar Royce has recovered Lamentation.

Acquiring lost swords is truly a great sibling bonding exercise.
 
My best bet is that the show and the book have the same plot points, but that the pacing and contextualization of those plot points in the book will make those scenes far saner (assuming they're ever released.)

Anyway finals are still happening so I haven't participated much but this is just a reminder not to convince everyone in the conclave to be on our side, as that defeats the purpose of intervening, I think.
 
DragonParadox said:
The Angel of Death yes, but the Queen of Air and Darkness is as powerful an angel and Mother Winter stronger still. Both have a legitimate claim on the Lady's soul and life and thus can leverage that strength. Breaking a single strand of the curse should not be beyond them I think.
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The Winter Lady? Yes, she'd be fine. Winter would protect its own.

Molly Carpenter, though?
 
For the if Viserys died and had a kid I think Dany and Rhaella would support the kid as the future ruler and help them learn to rule. Just find it very unlikely that Dany or Rhaella to just take Viserys kid right to rule. Become regent yeah but to actually take it? Just don't see it.
 
mrsean22 said:
For the if Viserys died and had a kid I think Dany and Rhaella would support the kid as the future ruler and help them learn to rule. Just find it very unlikely that Dany or Rhaella to just take Viserys kid right to rule. Become regent yeah but to actually take it? Just don't see it.
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That's probably what'll happen. Daenerys explicitly doesn't want to rule, but she'd probably step up as regent for Viserys' future heir until they're old enough.

In the meantime Waymar is securing his family's support for the due legal process in the unlikely event that it's necessary.
 
Duesal said:
I'll update it later today once I have time to dig through the quest. Once again, thanks @egoo for taking over for me while I was gone.
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No problem, mate. I'm glad you seem to have a bit more free time now.

Here's the numbers after the latest chapter:

Day of Blood Stockpile:
Sacrifices Presumed Individual HD Total HD Old Gods Bonuses Individual HD after Old Gods bonuses
Total HD after Old Gods
Bonuses
Individual CR
Total CR
1 Abishai Wizard Creature 14 14 +35% (True Outsidier), +20% (Caster) 22.4 22.4 16 16
3 Bearded Devils 6 18 +35% (True Outsider) 8.1 24.3 5 15
      Total   46.7   31
Day of Blood (Blood Magic, Greater)

School: Transmutation & Divination; Level 8

Casting time: 80 minutes

Material Components: The powdered remains of a sentient (Int greater than 3) creature or creatures of no less then 8 HD (bonemeal, dried organs, etc...)

Blood Component: Sacrifice of 16 HD worth of sentient creatures who must be hung from the tree, or if the branches will not support them, impaled before its roots.

Special: The value of the sacrifice is modified by the following factors:
  • Low Intelligence (INT 3 to 6): -50%
  • Native Outsider: +25%
  • Fey: +30%
  • True Outsider (Called): +35%
  • Aberration: +35%
  • Undead: +40%
  • Cold Subtype: +50%
  • Caster (not SLAs): +25%
  • Dragon: +35%
  • Willing Sacrifice (no magical compulsions): +100%
  • Mythic: +2 HD to base subject to all bonuses for every Mythic Rank
For each secondary effect desired the Blood Cost increases as follows:
  • 1 Secondary effect: 24 HD worth of sacrifices
  • 2 Secondary effects: 36 HD worth of sacrifices
  • 3 Secondary effects: 54 HD worth of sacrifices
Sacrificing more than needed may lead other gifts as the gods will.
Required Caster: Druid or Adept (Old Gods) level 4; Arcane caster level 7

Secondary Casters: Up to five

Skill Checks: Knowledge Nature (DC 25) 2 success; Knowledge Religion (DC 20) 2 success; Craft Wood-Carving (DC 16) 2 successes; Spellcraft (DC 26) 2 successes

Backlash: All base metal objects in a 50 ft radios of the Nascent Heart Tree fall to dust

Effects:

Primary: Grow a Heart-Tree from a sapling in the span of the ritual, which serves as the focus of a permanent CL 20 Hallow or Unhallow spell (Primary caster's choice)

Secondary: Select an effect or effects to be tied to the Hallow or Unhallow effect from the list ordinarily permitted for such a purpose, up to a maximum of three.

Failure: Primary caster becomes bound to the site of the weirwood and may not travel more than 100 ft from it until such a time as the ritual is complete. If the ritual fails a second time while a creature is so bound the creature dies, its remains feeding the Heart Tree allowing it to grow to full size regardless. A creature so slain cannot be returned from the dead save by the spells Reincarnate and True Reincarnate.



Special Project Stockpile:
Sacrifices Presumed Individual HD Total HD Old Gods Bonuses Individual HD after Old Gods bonuses
Total HD after Old Gods
Bonuses
Individual CR
Total CR 		Reason
1 Colossal
Fiendish Monstrous Spiders 		32 HD 32 HD -50% (Low Intelligence) +35% (True Outsider) 27.2 HD 27.2 HD 13 13 Valyrian Steel
1 Wizard Creature Pleasure Devil 12 HD 12 HD +25% (Caster) +35% (True Outsider) 19.2 HD 19.2 HD 13 13 Fungus Forge
1 Sorcerer Creature Blood Maidens 12 HD 12 HD +25% (Caster) 15 HD 15 HD 10 10 Fungus Forge
1 Imp Sorcerer 4 7 HD 7 HD +25% (Caster) +35% (True Outsider) 11.2 HD 11.2 HD 6 6 Potential Recruit
1 Desert Devil 8 HD 8 HD +35% (True Outsider) 10.8 HD 10.8 HD 6 6 Fungus Forge
1 Sand Devil 4 HD 4 HD +35% (True Outsider) 5.4 HD 5.4 HD 3 3 Fungus Forge
1 Zebub 4 HD 4 HD +35% (True Outsider) 5.4 HD 5.4 HD 3 3 Fungus Forge
1 Obsidian Devil 10 HD 10 HD +35% (True Outsider) 13.5 HD 13.5 HD 6 6 Fungus Forge
1 Harvester Devil Sorcerer (4 levels Sorcerer) 13 HD 13 HD +35% (True Outsider) +25% (Caster) 20.8 HD 20.8 HD 11 11 Potential Recruit
Astral Dreadnaught 18 HD 18 HD +35% (True Outsider) 24.3 HD 24.3 HD 17 17 Possibly upgrade Xor's eye, or short of that try to reverse-engineer the anti-magic field effect
1 Greater Intellect Devourer (Advanced by HD, Psion caster 13) 13 HD 13 HD +35% (Aberration), +25% (Caster) 20.8 HD 20.8 HD 16 16 To be the sacrifice for Merling King's participation in creation of Tiamat-Snare among other gods.
1 Lormar (level 11 Wizard) 11 HD 11 HD +25% (Caster) 13.75 HD 13.75 HD 10 10 To be questioned and sacrificed.
1 Lormar's Apprentice 5 HD 5 HD +25% (Caster) 6.25 HD 6.25 HD 4 4 To be questioned and possibly subverted based on the results of questioning.
1 Advanced Glided Devil Cleric Creature 12 HD 12 HD +35% (True Outsider), +25 % (caster) 19.2 HD 19.2 HD 12 12 To be sacrificed in Moss-Forge to gain access to Cleric Creature template.
      Total   192 HD   114 CR  
Day of Change Stockpile:
Sacrifices Presumed Individual CL Total CL Bonuses Individual CL after Bonuses Total CL after Bonuses
Arson Ice-Axes' frost magic axes CL 8 CL 8 None CL 8 CL 8
Gilded Devil's Loot CL 13 CL 13 None CL 13 CL 13
3 Winterborn Ala Talismans (2 Amulets, 1 Ring) CL 5 CL 15 None CL 5 CL 15
Wyrm-Breaker Spear CL 8 CL 8 None CL 8 CL 8
3 Fire Giant Greatswords (+1) CL 5 CL 15 None CL 5 CL 15
Claw sheaths that give the worn creature's claws the keen property and count as evil for the purposes of overcoming damage residence. CL 7 CL 7 None CL 7 CL 7
2 Djezet Skin CL 5 CL 10 +2 (Strength Domain) CL 7 CL 14
Cursed Bracelet CL 5 CL 5 None CL 5 CL 5
Warped Dragonsteel Sword CL 12 CL 12 None CL 12 CL 12
Cursed Amulet CL 14 CL 14 None CL 14 CL 14
5 Thanadaemon Staves CL 11 CL 55 None CL 11 CL 55
      Total CL Accumulated   CL 163
Day of Change (Greater)

School: Transmutation & Divination; Level 8

Casting time: 80 minutes

Material Components: The powdered remains of a sentient (Int greater than 3) creature or creatures of no less than 8 HD (bonemeal, dried organs, etc...)

Special: Artifact(s) to be sacrificed. Minimum (combined) caster level:
  • 8 for the primary effect
  • 12 for for the first secondary effect
  • 16 for the second secondary effect
  • 20 for the third secondary effect
The effective caster level of the artifact is increased as follows if its origin bears some afinity to the Old Gods' domains, as follows:
  • Travel, Strength +2
  • Protection, Magic +4
  • Time +7
Objects with no affinity have a 20% chance to be rejected. Should this happen, the primary caster will not suffer the failure condition, but all material components will be lost. Sacrificing more than needed may lead other gifts as the gods will.

Required Caster: Druid or Adept (Old Gods) level 4; Arcane caster level 7

Secondary Casters: Up to five

Skill Checks: Knowledge Nature (DC 25) 2 success; Knowledge Religion (DC 20) 2 success; Craft Wood-Carving (DC 16) 2 successes, Spellcraft (DC 26) 2 successes

Backlash: All base metal objects in a 50 ft radios of the Nascent Heart Tree fall to dust

Effects:

Primary: Grow a Heart-Tree from a sapling in the span of the ritual, which serves as the focus of a permanent CL 20 Hallow or Unhallow spell (Primary caster's choice)

Secondary: Select an effect or effects to be tied to the Hallow or Unhallow effect from the list ordinarily permitted for such a purpose, up to a maximum of three.

Failure: A random artifact or 1d4 ordinary magic items in the caster's possession are destroyed. If no such objects exist the failure condition defaults to that of Day of Blood
Corpse Stockpile (for Fungus Forge):

1 Hero-Killer Xenarth (CR 15; 11 HD) -- 11 HD Total
14 Flying Chupacabra Corpses (4HD; CR3) -- 56 HD Total
3 Faceless Stalker Corpses (5 HD; CR 4) -- 15 HD Total
1 Shadow-Traced Kamaitachi (14 HD; CR 15) -- 14 HD Total
17 Green Children (8 HD; CR 5) -- 136 HD Total
3 Frost Worms (14 HD; CR 12) -- 42 HD Total
1 Barbed Devil (12 HD; CR 11) -- 12 HD Total
1 Dogai (14 HD; CR 11) -- 14 HD Total
35 HD worth of Ancient Bones bleached by the Astral Currents -- 35 HD Total
5 Bearded Devils (6 HD, CR 5) -- 30 HD Total

Grand Total: 365 HD
Recyclable: 121.667 HD of anything up to CR 5
 
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Duesal said:
That's probably what'll happen. Daenerys explicitly doesn't want to rule, but she'd probably step up as regent for Viserys' future heir until they're old enough.

In the meantime Waymar is securing his family's support for the due legal process in the unlikely event that it's necessary.
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Maybe I'm mistaken but it sounded like to me that Waymar was pushing for Dany or Rhaella to rule in everything if Viserys died and had a kid who would be the rightful heir. Andar even mentioned if Viserys had an heir and Waymar just said they would be a bad ruler. I could be wrong but that's what it sounded like to me. Worried because skipping over the rightful heir sets a bad pretense.
 
I think the argumentation was that against aught else, rather than support a child who could end up being manipulated by outside forces, support Dany who will in turn support the child. Waymar is discussing this from not a pragmatic point of view but instead from a perspective which places implicit trust in Dany and Rhaella, one of whom would overturn mountains to ensure her brother's legacy would live on in some fashion, and the other of whom believes strongly in duty.

Neither of which would seem likely or good vectors for manipulation to try to sway where succession would eventually lie. They would keep basically everything the same, they wouldn't shuffle up court as most of the time happened when a Targ King died and let in the vipers and rats. It would still be mostly bureaucrats and champions, most of whom either owe their loyalty to Viserys first, and institutions second, rather than being willing to sell out to the first crown wearing man or woman with a charming smile.
 
mrsean22 said:
Maybe I'm mistaken but it sounded like to me that Waymar was pushing for Dany or Rhaella to rule in everything if Viserys died and had a kid who would be the rightful heir. Andar even mentioned if Viserys had an heir and Waymar just said they would be a bad ruler. I could be wrong but that's what it sounded like to me. Worried because skipping over the rightful heir sets a bad pretense.
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Waymar was indeed pushing for that. That said, Dany and Rhaella would both categorically refuse to pass over Viserys' heir, and would instead rule as regents. So Waymar would end up just supporting them in that.
 
Waymar is a warrior, he's not going to trust leadership to someone who would end up leaning on advisers regardless against what seems to be shaping up to be a constant and ongoing war effort.

As @Duesal said, he's not trying to lay the seeds of civil war here, he's trying to say that you shouldn't tie your support to the wagon that anyone can steer, but instead to the one that has any hypothetical child's best interests at heart--whether they see it as that or not.
 
Duesal said:
Waymar was indeed pushing for that. That said, Dany and Rhaella would both categorically refuse to pass over Viserys' heir, and would instead rule as regents. So Waymar would end up just supporting them in that.
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I assumed flipping the crown to Danny if we for real die was the plan, have we not made such known?
 
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