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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Tomcost said:
Hmmm. How much of an apology did you give him?

I mean, the guy is going to fail you a couple of times probably, but showing at least a good predisposition at getting on better terms might help on later attempts.
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I didn't get a chance to apologize at all. The man just showed up out of nowhere while I was eating lunch, interrupted me with an impromptu interrogation, rejected what evidence I was able to present, and walked off while promising he would pursue this.

I haven't seen him since Friday.
 
@Goldfish I can't focus enough to suggest modifications in line with making this a plan that doesn't require us to fucking kill Maer at the end - something I'd really rather avoid. It's mostly the force of magic section, but..ugh. Brain isn't booting right at the moment, I'm not sure why. I'll try to get up early and poke some suggestions for modifications across. I'd really prefer not to set her down this path, because we can get everything we need from her without making her end point likely martyrdom. Even with your clauses about non-violence, some people won't get it. And... *sigh*

Look, this basically loses her faction to us forever, regardless of what we do. Revealing it all as Dany will not be believed because it'll just be a trick of one who knows not. Basically, this niggles at me, and given how Dany reacted to the Septa in internal narrative, I think it would niggle at her too. There's a better way, that gets us everything we might want. I just can't put it into words right now with my brain filled with HT and the like.
 
A_Somebody said:
Holy Shit. Does your college have a legal aid department? Because if expulsion is being seriously threatened, this teacher is essentially trying to shitcan a hundred-thousand dollar plus investment on your part. That's definitely time to talk with a lawyer. It sounds like the proffesor's supervisor isn't against you, so thats good at least. Have you been able to contact your deparment head to? Generally they don't like people getting expelled, tends to look bad on their part too. I'm sorry you have to deal with this, but definitely get witnesses (are they willing to sign/notarize statements for you?) and 100% get legal aid.
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I'll definitely be seeking legal aid. I'm pretty mad about this whole thing.
 
Snowfire said:
@Goldfish I can't focus enough to suggest modifications in line with making this a plan that doesn't require us to fucking kill Maer at the end - something I'd really rather avoid. It's mostly the force of magic section, but..ugh. Brain isn't booting right at the moment, I'm not sure why. I'll try to get up early and poke some suggestions for modifications across. I'd really prefer not to set her down this path, because we can get everything we need from her without making her end point likely martyrdom. Even with your clauses about non-violence, some people won't get it. And... *sigh*

Look, this basically loses her faction to us forever, regardless of what we do. Revealing it all as Dany will not be believed because it'll just be a trick of one who knows not. Basically, this niggles at me, and given how Dany reacted to the Septa in internal narrative, I think it would niggle at her too. There's a better way, that gets us everything we might want. I just can't put it into words right now with my brain filled with HT and the like.
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Okay, let me poke at it and see what I can come up with.
 
Duesal said:
I was actually doing fine in the class before this. The homework has all the types of problems that show up on the test, so I just drill those in my head and I've been doing well that way. It's just in class this professor was one of the worst lecturers I've ever had to sit through, so I inevitably drift off.

I will definitely do my research there. This is at a dangerous time for me since it's right before graduation, so I definitely need to be careful. Thanks for the advice, Snowfire.
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Sorry to hear about your situation Duesal, I am also studying business and I hope some of this information is useful to you.

I'm not sure about your college/university but at my university, there is an established process for disputing claims of academic fraud (cheating and plagiarizing). Basically, the professor accusing you of academic fraud must submit a written document to the dean who makes a decision on whether there are grounds to proceed or not (in your case there doesn't seem to be imo). Should the claim of academic fraud continue, the student has ten days to respond, and meet with their accuser to come to a compromise. If this doesn't happen an "inquiry committee" of 3-4 members is created and the student submits all relevant documents for review, the committee (which doesn't include the professor making the initial accusation) will make the final decision. Also, the student can make an appeal if they disagree with the inquiry committees decision within 10 days.

All of this should be on your college/university website under the policies and regulations. It would make sense to go over your universities policies before everything comes to a head. Also, I totally get not paying attention in Finance class, sometimes it's just easier to learn the material on your own time either because for the poor quality of the lectures or because of the material.
 
How's this, @Snowfire?

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-----[] "The force you call magic is not inherently evil, but neither is it good." Dany explains,"It is simply another tool the Seven have made available for their children to use, not unlike fire, which can warm a hearth and cook a meal or temper a blade and ruin an ancient keep. Unlike fire, however, magic is not only a tool, but it is also a test. How one wields magic, their intent and their actions, that is what concerns the Seven, for what better way to judge one's worthiness than to give them a measure of power so long denied to mortal kind, then watch them use it? Will they lift up others or cast them down, heal the sick and lame or curse them for their weakness?
------[] "This is the message the Seven ask you to share with your fellows. Magic comes with a price, and that price is the unwavering attention of the Seven. Make it known that mages are being watched, their actions weighed, and their fates decided with much less leeway than would be afforded to one not so 'gifted' by the gods." Dany should imply that this gift is as much a curse as it is a blessing.
-------[] "It is no mortal's right to judge a mage merely for possessing magic, save those times when that magic is used to commit an earthly crime. Go forth and spread the word so that none can claim ignorance when a mage is persecuted for their gifts, so that no mage need fear their fellow Faithful merely for making use of the tools granted them by the Seven, and so that none need lash out in fear or anger due to unjust treatment."
--------[] "Farewell, Septa. We will meet again, when the time is right."
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[X] Plan Touched by an Angel
-[X] Dany will assume her Half-Celestial form garbed in silver robes, adjusting her appearance to resemble that of an idealized version of the street urchin Septa Maer aided, then visit Septa Maer via the Dreaming. Viserys will tag along, but remain hidden from Maer's sight.
--[X] She will be buffed using Air of Nobility, Voice of the Dragon, Divine Insight, Grand Destiny, Greater Heroism, Moment of Greatness, and Greater Angelic Aspect, along with her Holy Aura spell-like ability, to sell the illusion. Viserys will provide spells as necessary.
--[X] In addition to the Heal and Regenerate spells she prepares regularly, Dany will also prepare a Restoration spell in place of Dimensional Anchor.
-[X] Upon reaching Maer, Dany will bring her into the Dreaming and "wake" her in a chamber identical to the one she is sleeping within.
--[X] "Greetings, Septa," Dany speaks. "Be not afraid, for the Seven watch over their faithful and I am but their messenger." She will converse with the Septa, answering what questions she can without giving away too much, using the excuse that anything she cannot answer are mysteries not yet meant to be revealed.
---[X] Eventually, she will get to the purpose of her visit. "You are dying, Septa Maer. Without intervention, you shall soon fall into a slumber from which you will not wake, and then your soul will slip its moorings to return to the loving embrace of the Seven Who Are One."
----[X] "Loath though they are to tamper with the fate of their children, the Seven ask that you remain among the living, for they have a mission of great importance for you to fulfill." At this point, if she hasn't used them already, Dany will expend Divine Insight, Moment of Greatness, and a Grand Destiny charge to convince Maer to accept this mission, if she seems reluctant. Once Maer is convinced, Dany will cast Heal, Restoration, and Regenerate on her.
-----[X] "The force you call magic is not inherently evil, but neither is it good." Dany explains,"It is simply another tool the Seven have made available for their children to use, not unlike fire, which can warm a hearth and cook a meal or temper a blade and ruin an ancient keep. Unlike fire, however, magic is not only a tool, but it is also a test. How one wields magic, their intent and their actions, that is what concerns the Seven, for what better way to judge one's worthiness than to give them a measure of power so long denied to mortal kind, then watch them use it? Will they lift up others or cast them down, heal the sick and lame or curse them for their weakness?
------[X] "This is the message the Seven ask you to share with your fellows. Magic comes with a price, and that price is the unwavering attention of the Seven. Make it known that mages are being watched, their actions weighed, and their fates decided with much less leeway than would be afforded to one not so 'gifted' by the gods." Dany should imply that this gift is as much a curse as it is a blessing.
-------[X] "It is no mortal's right to judge a mage merely for possessing magic, save those times when that magic is used to commit an earthly crime. Go forth and spread the word so that none can claim ignorance when a mage is persecuted for their gifts, so that no mage need fear their fellow Faithful merely for making use of the tools granted them by the Seven, and so that none need lash out in fear or anger due to unjust treatment."
--------[X] "Farewell, Septa. We will meet again, when the time is right, but for now I leave you one last gift." Tell Maer of the blessing Dany will lay upon the Sept in which she rests, one which will allow her to spread her message to all who seek answers, not merely those with whom she shares a language.
---------[X] After she returns Maer to her sleeping state, Dany will use her Half-Celestial form's Hallow SLA, with her caster level modified by her Bead of Karma and a Harmonic Chorus plus Moment of Greatness to temporarily raise her caster level to 22 (or 26 for purposes of resisting Dispelling). She will link a Tongues spell to the Hallow effect.
 
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@Goldfish that's much, much better. I'm basically trying to look at this with an angle to bring all these aspects of the Seven's Faith into our empire without bloodshed if we can. This is much more in line with that, whilst remaining exceedingly counter-Lucan in its own way too.

Thanks man.

[X] Goldfish
 
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What are ya'lls thoughts on Dany leaving a Hallow effect behind in the Sept where Maer is staying with a Tongues effect tied to it, so that she can preach her gods-given message to all who come into the Sept?
 
Goldfish said:
What are ya'lls thoughts on Dany leaving a Hallow effect behind in the Sept where Maer is staying with a Tongues effect tied to it, so that she can preach her gods-given message to all who come into the Sept?
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I'm down for that. I'm assuming the Seven, for whatever reason, won't intervene with our gaslighting operation?

[X] Goldfish

Also @Duesal as someone on the cusp or graduating as well I really feel for you man. I hope it all turns out well.
 
Raichu1972 said:
I'm down for that. I'm assuming the Seven, for whatever reason, won't intervene with our gaslighting operation?
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Well technically they could but fact is the Seven have been systematically treating their clergy as a lost cause and just picking individual chosen to do all the work. The fact that they haven't already gotten the faction leaders working together indicates that they probably won't choose to visit them now.
 
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065tdsa said:
Well technically they could but fact is the Seven have been systematically treating their clergy as a lost cause and just picking individual chosen to do all the work. The fact that they haven't already gotten the faction leaders working together indicates that they probably won't choose to visit them now.
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It does sincerely say something when a Pantheon holds the vast majority of their "ordained" holy men and women in enough contempt to basically ignore their thoughts, opinions or wishes.

It says the same thing that their attempt to railroad the Faith down the path of blood and ruin does.

Stupidity.
 
@Goldfish
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I'm interested, but I'm worried itll give her a chance to ally with either the Tyrrell or Lannisters faction... What's a good way to keep them apart? Fey suck for the former and I'd for the latter. And I'm not really seeing how this drives her away from Lucan. Seems like she'd be more open to him than anything else in this case.

065tdsa said:
Well technically they could but fact is the Seven have been systematically treating their clergy as a lost cause and just picking individual chosen to do all the work. The fact that they haven't already gotten the faction leaders working together indicates that they probably won't choose to visit them now.
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Wowza. I'm feeling more and more sorry for these people by the moment.
 
A_Somebody said:
@Goldfish
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I'm interested, but I'm worried itll give her a chance to ally with either the Tyrrell or Lannisters faction... What's a good way to keep them apart? Fey suck for the former and I'd for the latter. And I'm not really seeing how this drives her away from Lucan. Seems like she'd be more open to him than anything else in this case.



Wowza. I'm feeling more and more sorry for these people by the moment.
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I think @Snowfire is correct in that we don't want to create someone we need to kill later on, so the message has to be tempered. At the same time, however, it needs to be worth the effort of contacting her. There's only so far in any given direction we can sway her. Considering that she's been staunchly anti-magic up until this point, I will settle for anything non-Lucan.

She should definitely be opposed to Lucan, because his message is all about judgement, persecution, and control of mages who aren't willing to submit to the Father, whose will he enforces. That's a pretty far cry from the line we're selling her.
 
I'm slowly catching up.

For the record I'm with @Goldfish regarding the Golden Company wizard. I don't want to recruit him, I want him dead.

This is the kind of man we wouldn't trust further than we can throw him, and given the kinds of things he's been up to (knowingly at that, this isn't some naive cultist who was tricked into it) he more than qualifies for execution even if you guys for whatever reason don't want to sacrifice him.
 
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Duesal said:
I'm slowly catching up.

For the record I'm with @Goldfish regarding the Golden Company wizard. I don't want to recruit him, I want him dead.

This is the kind of man we wouldn't trust further than we can throw him, and given the kinds of things he's been up to (knowingly at that, this isn't some naive cultist who was tricked into it) he more than qualifies for execution even if you guys for whatever reason don't want to sacrifice him.
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From what I recall this wizard was totally willingly working with Tiamat right?
Anyone who understands the full depth of how shitty Tiamat is and yet willingly works with her anyway is not to be trusted. (Dany is the exception because she didn't know Tiamat was a gigantic bag of dicks at the time).
 
Raichu1972 said:
From what I recall this wizard was totally willingly working with Tiamat right?
Anyone who understands the full depth of how shitty Tiamat is and yet willingly works with her anyway is not to be trusted. (Dany is the exception because she didn't know Tiamat was a gigantic bag of dicks at the time).
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That's pretty much my reasoning as well. Our shift in perspective was to allow for the misguided to be given the chance to repent and make something of themselves. This wizard was more than aware, and had all the magical knowhow to know exactly what he was getting into.

The Tortured Darkenbeast alone would be enough to toss him to a tree.
 
Duesal said:
That's pretty much my reasoning as well. Our shift in perspective was to allow for the misguided to be given the chance to repent and make something of themselves. This wizard was more than aware, and had all the magical knowhow to know exactly what he was getting into.

The Tortured Darkenbeast alone would be enough to toss him to a tree.
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I just want every bit of lore and information that Wizard can give us. Granted he won't have any unique spells as we have every spell 6th level and below. Also what was she thinking sending her most powerful Wizard out? Like come on. He should be teaching other mages. His student on the other hand can be quite useful.

Also he may know how to get to Tiamat's realm if he is as strong as he is. We can abuse this so handily.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
I just want every bit of lore and information that Wizard can give us. Granted he won't have any unique spells as we have every spell 6th level and below. Also what was she thinking sending her most powerful Wizard out? Like come on. He should be teaching other mages. His student on the other hand can be quite useful.

Also he may know how to get to Tiamat's realm if he is as strong as he is. We can abuse this so handily.
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Oh, for sure. These guys are intel goldmines. We're rooting through every last thought before they kick the bucket.

And yeah, sending the most powerful wizard on a fringe mission was dumb. Now she's paying for it.

I'm guessing she's investing more attention in clerics and bringing back chromatics wherever and whenever she can?
 
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