A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Well they would certainly not think of it as mercy. The Furies would disdain the sentiment but it amounts to the same thing, perhaps clemency would work better than mercy but the sentiment of the vote works regardless I would say.
Algalon
Herald of the Titans
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- Celestial Planetarium
[X] Snowfire
Personally, this doesn't go far enough for me, but I'm busy these days, and I doubt I'll have any motivation left in the evening to actually bother making up a vote and argue for it, so I'll just give my vote to Snowfire for the time being.
Personally, this doesn't go far enough for me, but I'm busy these days, and I doubt I'll have any motivation left in the evening to actually bother making up a vote and argue for it, so I'll just give my vote to Snowfire for the time being.
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- France
Hm. I would vote to limit WMD use, if not for the existence of various powerful polities east of Slaver's Bay against which I'm sure we'd love to use WMDs. They seem to have their own ritual ones, after all.
@Snowfire maybe focus on trying to limit WMD use against civilians instead? Or economic warfare in general?
@Snowfire maybe focus on trying to limit WMD use against civilians instead? Or economic warfare in general?
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
[X] Change something of what you had seen, the past is dead but the future is yet open?
-[X] Limit the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction - Weapons such that you deployed against Lannisport require foes against which they are the only option. Limit use of WMDs to use against the White Walkers and other truly existential threats to Planetos itself, not our own personal power.
-[X] Write in: Silver of Justice - There is a truth in what you have been shown, but also a message of how you have chosen to make some useful and others food for the engine of Empire. With the summoning of the Preceptor Archons, and the rituals you have created to free Fiends and more from that which binds them inevitably to the planes which supply their power, might it not also be possible to see some who are driven to consort with such powers recovered from their folly instead of simply given unto the snake or tree?
-[X] Limit the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction - Weapons such that you deployed against Lannisport require foes against which they are the only option. Limit use of WMDs to use against the White Walkers and other truly existential threats to Planetos itself, not our own personal power.
-[X] Write in: Silver of Justice - There is a truth in what you have been shown, but also a message of how you have chosen to make some useful and others food for the engine of Empire. With the summoning of the Preceptor Archons, and the rituals you have created to free Fiends and more from that which binds them inevitably to the planes which supply their power, might it not also be possible to see some who are driven to consort with such powers recovered from their folly instead of simply given unto the snake or tree?
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- Germany
Mind you, this is literally all I ever wanted. Seeing and acknowledging the consequences and the cost of these actions. I do not want to build a big cauldron in the Fungus Forge to toss living babies in, or start carpet bombing civilians for the funsies, but this here? All of this? This isn't new. That's all cold tea.
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- New York
Really? I thought we could've made it even more convenient. We could've killed all the slavers and thrown them into the pot. We could've invaded Westeros and slaughtered our way into Kingship. That would've been convenient. This what we are doing right now? Much better then the alternatives.
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- florida
Your assertation that there was any other possible outcome nauseates me.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
I honestly think that this vote is unnecessary.
We are going to decide the use of WMDs on case-by-case basis anyway.
Always.
Much as I'd rather we didn't, that's something that deserves a vote, and Viserys will not see WMDs the same way after this dream.
Great work on this chapter, @DragonParadox, by the way!
You managed really well to relay all of the frustrating moments here.
And as for a second point, @Snowfire...
Well, I already added summoning Archons to MAs next month.
Why not have that change on the sacrificial/corrective insitutions then? Them being there will need a vote one way or another, and I think you'll be best suited to deciding where to put them anyway.
I'd rather Viserys accept who he is now. Accept, as in all of that and the consequences following it, and move on.
We can instill changes to the way things work later, and gradually, isntead of... this spur-of-te-moment-to-not-feel-bad - decisions :/
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
Better does not imply good.
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- Germany
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
Oh no, you don't get to play up the in thread persona of a devil leading everyone down the road of evil via temptation and deception and then go "I just wanted you to accept your own actions!" Not to mention you were literally arguing against this update a few hours ago.
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- Castle
Is the Lannisport spore bomb truly a WMD? It was rather small potatoes all in all
Now I wonder if we should have sent some Silver Serpent ships with wood at affordable prices back then tho...
Now I wonder if we should have sent some Silver Serpent ships with wood at affordable prices back then tho...
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- New York
Good does not imply having saved more lives. A person who wanted to save everyone, saves no one. A person who refuses to sacrifice his morality for the betterment of society, is someone who should not be King. We are not "Good", because we saved those that we could. Those that we did go out of our way to save, would be those that in turn risked their lives for the betterment of others.
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
Call it a backwards tribalistic viewpoint but if we take anything from this, it will be not to use our own subjects as tools. I just don't want anymore votes created where exploit the trust of those we promised to protect and use them for our own ends.
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- United States
I'm confused on how you came to that conclusion. Azel has wanted Viserys to face his actions and own them rather than living in a world of delusion. This update was precisely what he asked for. When did he ever argue against it?
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
I'd say that the iteration we went with wasn't a WMD no.
The full version would have eaten the whole city, anything nearby, any and all ships saling to and from it...
Yeah, a WMD after my own heart.
Too bad we are not trying to destroy the world :'C
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- Here and there
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No but do it without killing all those people tho.
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- Germany
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- ?????????
It really isn't. It is a biological weapon capable of mass destruction which technically is a WMD but honestly in terms of WMD it really wasn't that bad. Like @egoo say we could have easily developed a strain that could devour the city or one that could infect people and recreate the Last of Us in Lannisport if we wanted to.Is the Lannisport spore bomb truly a WMD? It was rather small potatoes all in all
Now I wonder if we should have sent some Silver Serpent ships with wood at affordable prices back then tho...
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- Here and there
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- He/Him
To put it bluntly, I'm in agreement with some people that Azel has tried to snowball his views of viserys' character in the past by convincing the thread to commit an evil action, then using that as evidence that we are hypocrites if we don't commit more evil. Which is stupid, there's no rule that says you can't stop being evil. Literally all you have to do is choose to stop.
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Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
The former. Entirely. And yes, because they were useful, but that's actually the point here.
I'll add in a stipulation allowing for MAD. That seem reasonable?
I'm going for what I think I might be able to get. And even then I don't think it's likely.