Of course, but I'm unsure why you view him as a caricature of a nasty Westerosi Lord? He seems more like a prime example of Fae callousness, albeit his drive to institute actual change - if self motivated - is highly atypical.

Westerosi peasants aren't actually slaves and aren't treated like them. There are abuses of power by the ruling class, of course, but that's hardly something specific to them.
Willing to do anything for personal advancement and callous disregard for ones lessers. It's not my best comparison, but anyone doing what he did is not long for this world under our laws. Arguably he was not sworn to us nor did he harm our subjects,.. but when did we ever care about jurisdiction.
 
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-> Tasks him with subverting someone else's subjects.
-> Not a war of subterfuge.

We are now being willfully blind. If someone was doing this to us, we'd be absolutely fucking pissed and certainly take it as a declaration of intent.

That, or very naive.

Unless you want to leverage fey technicality. But that's a road we don't want to follow as far as that'd take us.

Pretty pertinent, though it could just be the case that Viserys' mandate to rule is less of a suggestion and more of a thing you ignore or chafe and rebel against at your own peril.

Viserys certainly wouldn't miss this kind of chicanery aimed at him in return, and he would respond about as harshly as you described. But not necessarily violently.

The point Viserys is trying to make is that he expects the Fey to resist him, but that if they respond with violence he has a monopoly of force they don't want to compete with.
 
Willing to do anything for personal advancement and callous disregard for ones lessers. It's not my best comparison, but anyone doing what he did is not long for this world under our laws. Arguably he was not sworn to us nor did he harm our subjects,.. but when did we ever care about jurisdiction.
He gets the 'shape up or else' treatment. I guess he's a candidate for the 'or else' branch of that particular decision tree ...
 
Pretty pertinent, though it could just be the case that Viserys' mandate to rule is less of a suggestion and more of a thing you ignore or chafe and rebel against at your own peril.

Viserys certainly wouldn't miss this kind of chicanery aimed at him in return, and he would respond about as harshly as you described. But not necessarily violently.

The point Viserys is trying to make is that he expects the Fey to resist him, but that if they respond with violence he has a monopoly of force they don't want to compete with.
The Queen showing up with the Seven Lords and their immediate retainers, like Dusk Dancer, would pretty throughly ruin our day.

This is souring relations that we haven't even properly opened yet, and at the very least starting them off on an inimical stance. And we chose to do that.

Is the Queen swearing herself to us more or less likely if we start a shadow war in all but name with her?

That's the diplomatic overview of this, @TalonofAnathrax .
 
She won't be willingly swearing herself to us. We're aiming to ruin all their plans and crush their ambitions. No, the best we'll get is using threats to cow them into submission.
 
The Queen showing up with the Seven Lords and their immediate retainers, like Dusk Dancer, would pretty throughly ruin our day.

This is souring relations that we haven't even properly opened yet, and at the very least starting them off on an inimical stance. And we chose to do that.

Is the Queen swearing herself to us more or less likely if we start a shadow war in all but name with her?

That's the diplomatic overview of this, @TalonofAnathrax .

Using this Prince isn't even the overall plan, just one little knife wound among many others to come.

What they're doing is pretty baldly and plainly going to require either an extreme show of force (costly right now) or subversion to circumvent their ambitions.

What I'm guessing is a combination of both, with subversion and intrigue to lessen the number of allies in our opposition who we'll have to fight, and then killing our way up the leadership with the more complaint and less recalcitrant taking up their positions under our rule.
 
She won't be willingly swearing herself to us.
Why? We haven't even met.
We're aiming to ruin all their plans and crush their ambitions.
Their current plans and their outcome is essentially a desperation move. They know it isn't a natural state, but they don't see any choice.

We can show them the way.
Using this Prince isn't even the overall plan, just one little knife wound among many others to come.

What they're doing is pretty baldly and plainly going to require either an extreme show of force (costly right now) or subversion to circumvent their ambitions.

What I'm guessing is a combination of both, with subversion and intrigue to lessen the number of allies in our opposition who we'll have to fight, and then killing our way up the leadership with the more complaint and less recalcitrant taking up their positions under our rule.
So she puts Dusk Dancer on it and stonewalls it entirely.

When it's time to negotiate, she has a "and what about this insurrectionist you've ordered into my court, hm?" chip to play.

You are all already treating it as if we are natural enemies when we haven't even talked yet, and we hold a tremenous bargaining chip in the form of their Crown, which, incidentally, allows them to better coehist with mortals.

This is shortsighted.
 
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Willing to do anything for personal advancement and callous disregard for ones lessers. It's not my best comparison, but anyone doing what he did is not long for this world under our laws. Arguably he was not sworn to us nor did he harm our subjects,.. but when did we ever care about jurisdiction.
I mean, you're basically describing a bad person. I'm not sure what you think we're going to do once we take Westeros, but I think a lot of people are going to disagree with that definition of who needs to be 'expunged.'
 
Why? We haven't even met.

Their current plans and their outcome is essentially a desperation move. They know it isn't a natural state, but they don't see any choice.

We can show them the way.

So she puts Dusk Dancer on it and stonewalls it entirely.

When it's time to negotiate, she has a "and what about this insurrectionist you've ordered into my court, hm?" chip to play.

You are all already treating it as if we are natural enemies when we haven't even talked yet, and we hold a tremenous bargaining chip in the form of their Crown, which, incidentally, allows them to better coehist with mortals.

This is shortsighted.

To that I don't know. I'm not saying you're wrong, but @Azel mentioned that it is counter productive to even think about acting against them using subterfuge if we do not start making preparations to do it months in advance of meeting them.

I would suggest a compromise of using Crimson Lotus to network with Fey who might share sympathies with his point of view, but no outright sabotage.
 
I mean, you're basically describing a bad person. I'm not sure what you think we're going to do once we take Westeros, but I think a lot of people are going to disagree with that definition of who needs to be 'expunged.'
But we already did this very thing with the worst Slavers/Magisters? I am so confused.

Why? We haven't even met.

Their current plans and their outcome is essentially a desperation move. They know it isn't a natural state, but they don't see any choice.

We can show them the way.

So she puts Dusk Dancer on it and stonewalls it entirely.

When it's time to negotiate, she has a "and what about this insurrectionist you've ordered into my court, hm?" chip to play.

You are all already treating it as if we are natural enemies when we haven't even talked yet, and we hold a tremenous bargaining chip in the form of their Crown, which, incidentally, allows them to better coehist with mortals.

This is shortsighted.

wasn't provoking a fight with the fairies always the plan?
 
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I was under the impression the the court of stars was trying to make all stories their own and the Reach being absorbed was a neat side effect that they were more than willing to go through with. Is this not the case?
 
But we already did this very thing with the worst Slavers/Magisters? I am so confused.
No, we didn't go merrily waltzing through Essos killing anyone we didn't like. We created laws, and executed those who broke them. In practice, this tended to correlate to the same thing because a huge amount of Essosi magisters were absolutely monsterous, but I assure you there are still plenty of 'bad' people who support us, just as there will be Westerosi lords who treat their peasants poorly and are selfish meanies that serve us.
 
wasn't provoking a fight with the fairies always the plan
No? That's a terrible plan.

The plan was using the crown to bargain for their fealty.

And now we are sending insurrectionists into their court. I'm sure the Queen will be well disposed towards us after this.
To that I don't know. I'm not saying you're wrong, but @Azel mentioned that it is counter productive to even think about acting against them using subterfuge if we do not start making preparations to do it months in advance of meeting them.

I would suggest a compromise of using Crimson Lotus to network with Fey who might share sympathies with his point of view, but no outright sabotage.
Yeah, networking is the sort of preparation you want.

As worded in the update, this is already hostile action.

Hell, we are sending in someone who already failed to do it again.

In the end, what they are trying to do isn't terribly hard to stop, because it fundamentally requires the lords of the mortal world to agree.

Most of the big Reach lords are already in our pocket, and we will soon e able to dictate there isn't a Reach anymore.

And even beyond that, they are doing it as a survival mechanism as they see no satisfactory way to coexist with mortals... Because the King that let's then do that is sleeping.
 
No? That's a terrible plan.

The plan was using the crown to bargain for their fealty.

And now we are sending insurrectionists into their court. I'm sure the Queen will be well disposed towards us after this.

Yeah, networking is the sort of preparation you want.

As worded in the update, this is already hostile action.

Hell, we are sending in someone who already failed to do it again.

In the end, what they are trying to do isn't terribly hard to stop, because it fundamentally requires the lords of the mortal world to agree.

Most of the big Reach lords are already in our pocket, and we will soon e able to dictate there isn't a Reach anymore.

And even beyond that, they are doing it as a survival mechanism as they see no satisfactory way to coexist with mortals... Because the King that let's then do that is sleeping.

If you submit a vote in that vein, I will back it, simply because it is prudent to prepare on a lower intensity for hostile action before attempting diplomacy.
 
And even beyond that, they are doing it as a survival mechanism as they see no satisfactory way to coexist with mortals... Because the King that let's then do that is sleeping.
See and here is my issue with him sleeping. If he gets the crown he wakes up. Now that's not a problem. The problem is the symbol that the crown is. I am concerned that by giving them the crown the king would have control over the Reach on a metaphysical level and that too me is no bueno
 
Interlude CDXXII: Miracles and Memories
Miracles and Memories

Twenty-Eight Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

He had heard it for the first time in the market from the mouth of a fishmonger and he did not believe it, another Targaryen they said. Living in secret under a glamour. The second time Ser Bonifer Hasty heard the news was from one of the passing grey-cloaks and this time there was a name too: Rhaella, the word like a knife twisting in his gut. For just the briefest instant the knight was overcome by rage such as he had not felt in years. It was as though the whole world were conspiring to play some cruel jest upon him.

Because the whole world turns around you, doesn't it? With that thought the anger cooled as swiftly as it had come, leaving him shaky and off balance. He'd seen a winged snake that danced in the clouds, dogs that slipped from place to place through rays of moonlight, and woods where the bushes and flowers spoke and moved. Why not this? Hope cut far deeper than anger ever could. He had to know...

And so barely looking at where he was walking Bonifer set off through the crowded streets, his mind in a haze of questions and speculation. He did not even care to look left or right as he entered the stately inn that had sprung up near the Terminus. He did not stop until he was in front of Nizuta's door, and even then only long enough to knock insistently, the steel gauntlet echoing strangely against the ebony wood. It was all he could do not to burst in.

"What?" the stone man rumbled, cracking the door open just enough to reveal eyes narrowed with what Bonifer suspected was the consequence of overindulging in wine.

"Can magic restore the dead to life?" the knight blurted out, still in the hall, not knowing or caring who was listening.

"Yes. It is easier with mortals than with us for your lives and thus your deaths have less weight, but I would not call it easy even so. It requires a mage of the Fifth Circle, usually the servant of some god or spirit, though there are ways for a mage to make the call of one's own power."

Bonifer found himself profoundly grateful for Nizuta's talkativeness. "What circle of power do you think the King can summon?"

"The Dragon? Seventh at least, perhaps as high as Ninth," the stone-clad one replied, opening the door a bit wider. "Are you coming in or are you planning to have a full conversation on a threshold?"

Hope grew a little brighter like a spark fanned into a flame.

"My apologies," Bonifer said a moment later, feeling the blood rush to his cheeks as his courtesy finally caught up to the rest of him. "I should not have woken you so early..."

"You are going to tell me what this was about eventually?"

The words were bearably a question, but the knight decided to treat them as such regardless. He did owe the man an explanation for the inconvenience. "I will, just not now... I have a great deal of thinking to do." The understatement was so enormous he could hardly encompass it with his thoughts.

What did it mean that she was alive in some miraculous way he could not truly grasp?

It meant the bright girl he had seen for the first time waving happily out of a carriage window more than thirty years ago was not consigned to some moldering tomb. That was more joy than he ever could have hoped to feel. To hope for more would be... madness.

***​

As he rode onto the tourney grounds Bonifer felt a surge of recognition to the fishmonger and grey-cloak. If his first sign that Rhaella Targaryen lived had been the sight of her with the morning light tangled in her hair he likely would have fallen off his horse then and there. She was alive, she was truly alive. She looked well, laughter in her eyes as she spoke to the princess... her daughter.

The queen looked older than when last he had seen her, though not nearly as old as him. Where the years had worn him down as wind wears down stone and rust upon steel, she had only grown more beautiful, stately as she was fair, a queen in every sense. With a start Bonifer noticed her dress, and he realized he had seen her before under the glamour at the King's side. He had felt something then... known her even if just for an instant as their gazes met.

Had she been the one to send him his new armor? Ruthlessly the knight crushed the vain ridiculous thought from his mind. The King had probably not wanted a knight in his service wearing armor older than his grandsire.

He would ride for her regardless, even if it made no sense, even if she would never know or care. Lance in hand and shield in the other he faced his foe, Ser Karl Terrick he knew him to be though he did not bear his House's crest, only a hawk's talon in crimson upon white. The first pass was more test than struggle, both lances glancing upon shields. On the second Bonifer thought he had the younger man's measure, and so he did for his lance slipped under his shield and flung him from his horse... but he had not been watching his lance. A blow to the middle of his breastplate tossed him from his horse.

Again. Quick as he had ever done it, Bonifer jumped into his saddle like a boy new to his spurs. On the third pass he struck again, and for one brilliant moment he dared to hope, to imagine.

She smiled at him.

Ser Terrick's lance was as the very finger of fate chastising him... again he fell from his saddle while his opponent barely clung to his. Slowly, painfully, with far more than the ache in his muscles and the pain in his back, the old knight picked himself up, shook the Riverlander's hand, and left the field with whatever dignity he could still muster.

She was alive, and that was more than enough.

***​

"I apologize for distracting you, Ser Knight," a familiar, impossible voice called out behind him as he was leading his horse into the stables beside the tourney ground.

This was the place for impossible things. Bonifer Hasty turned to see Rhaella Targaryen standing a few steps behind him in the flesh... and he found he could not open his mouth to reply if his life depended upon it.

"You had an exceptionally good showing," she continued a little awkwardly.

The thought that he was causing her discomfort finally cut through the haze of whirling emotions. "My faults are my own, Your Grace. You should not trouble yourself over them..." Or with me, the words were unspoken, but clear in his mind.

She heard the implication clearly enough. "Come now, Ser. We were friends, or at least as close to it as I was allowed to have such in those days." The queen sounded faintly wistful.

They had spoken only eleven times in all, the longest of which was about an hour at the feast after the Tourney of Dragonstone. Bonifer was about to point out that she probably knew quite a few people more deserving of the title of friend than him, but he too heard the words unspoken. They might have been friends given the chance. He'd made her laugh then, though thinking back some of the japes he made had been dreadful.

"I greatly enjoyed your playing of the harp, Your Grace," he managed to say.

"Well, I have certainly had more time to practice my playing," she replied just as gingerly. "You are more than welcome to listen, and then perhaps speak of other things, too."

OOC: I know you guys will be tempted but no need to plan the wedding yet. Rhaella saw Bonifer was dejected when leaving the field so she decided to step in. She was not even sure what she would say until the moment she opened her mouth.
 
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It's weird to find myself so ambivalent on the question of shipping. I'd prefer if they never did become a couple, but I'm sure that DP will write it tastefully if it does happen and give them actual chemistry. Soooo... You go Rhaella! Make a friend !?!
#BestQM
 
See and here is my issue with him sleeping. If he gets the crown he wakes up. Now that's not a problem. The problem is the symbol that the crown is. I am concerned that by giving them the crown the king would have control over the Reach on a metaphysical level and that too me is no bueno
Not if they have already sworn themselves to us.
Well to be fair they are trying to make Bretonia 2.0. That is pretty inimical to our long term magi-tech progress plans.
And yet that's not their natural state. They are doing it because they haven't been enligthneed by Dragon Jesus. They are desperate.

We ultimately hold the levers to stop their plan. No reason not to try talking. We really can't afford another supernatural big bad to fight. Especially one this close home.

[X] Agree
-[X] Clarify you want to make friends and connections in the Court of Stars, not start a shadow war.
 
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