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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
[X] Return home
-[X] Interrogate the Brachina - Offscreen
--[X] Questions for the Brachina
---[X] Fork over all the devil names she's aware of operating in Prime Material & their locations and objectives
----[X] Fork over all the devil names she's aware of monitoring activities in Prime Material from a distance
---[X] Hand over all the names of Erinyes she knows work for Mammon
---[X] Give us the location of all hidden assets of her cabal as well as warn us of any traps (this includes any cultists being groomed along with any more allies)
---[X] Tell us about all active plots of her cabal, all ongoing or planned rituals, all contingencies, etc.
---[X] Tell us any perceived weaknesses of the Court of Stars that the devils considered exploiting
---[X] Tell us of all supernatural activity in Westeros she's aware of (double-checking to make sure Varys wasn't kept in the dark about anything) (including other cabals however small, complete with locations and goals)
----[X] Tell us the locations of all active barrows and whatnot that she's aware of, the ones the devils know to hold treasures waiting to be unearthed or monsters still trapped
---[X] Tell us everything she knows about Mammon's plans and how they've adapted to us messing with him.
---[X] The Divination Trinket and the Assassination Scarab are both interesting pieces of diabolic work. How did they specifically function, how were they made, and who made them?
-[X] Interrogate the captured Fey Prince, Crimson Lotus - Offscreen
--[X] Questions for Fey Prince Crimson Lotus
---[X] Give us a full accounting of the Court of Stars (and I'm dead serious in this, I want everything, down to the fey type and level and mythic rank)
----[X] Tell us everything we'd want to know about the Queen and the Slumbering King of the Court of Stars, their history, their strength and powers, etc.
----[X] How many lords and ladies? Which ones hold important positions and what are those positions? How strong are each of them?
----[X] How many knights do they have and what abilities do said knights have? How strong are they?
-----[X] Especially this "Rainbow Guard".
----[X] What other notable fey are beholden to the Court of Stars?
----[X] How many regular fey are under the sway of the Court of Stars, and what types?
----[X] What Fey bargains is Crimson Lotus aware have been made in the Reach recently?
----[X] What does the Court of Stars remember of the Dawn Age?
----[X] What made the Court of Stars leave Prime Material the first time? What do they know of the Sundering? What of the Long Night?
----[X] What makes Crimson Lotus a Prince of the Court of Stars? How many other princes or princesses are there?
---[X] Get the locations of all supernatural activity in the Westeros that Crimson Lotus is aware of (including different factions of fey), verify them, then mark them down in your maps
----[X] This includes all places of treasure or slumbering power yet unearthed, and all slumbering elder evils the Court of Stars is yet aware of.
----[X] It also includes a list of all enemies the Court of Star has, and why they're enemies.
---[X] Have Crimson Lotus give us in-depth information on other Fey Courts, including the Courts of the Greenwood that are friendly to the Old Gods, the Court of the Goldenwood that is led by the Ancient Dryad Queen who guards a major entrance to the Feywild, the Court of the Depths under the Sea, and the Court of the Orphne in Braavos.
---[X] Have Crimson Lotus tell you everything he knows of the Wildfae, including numbers, locations, prominent members, and their abilities and dispositions. Pay special attention to the lords and ladies and knights.
----[X] We want everything they know about these courts as well as their disposition towards them.
---[X] We want a full accounting of the Court of Stars activities, plans, plots and other strategic and tactical information on their movement.
----[X] This includes a list of member of the court that are aware of more details on this.
----[X] Especially members that are up to similar activities as Crimson Lotus
-[X] Speak with Ser Erren regarding the fate of his House and how he is to address his surviving kin
-[X] Speak to Moonsong and Glyra about the fundamentals of fey nature and transformation

@Duesal, added your questions and three more of my own.
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Azel said:
So... pretty much useless for the size of actual armies.

@Duesal, @Goldfish, do you happen to have a bookmark for the old calculations we did for PfE standards? We had worked out some attunement mechanic for those.
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Azel said:
Alright, so let's roll with the Valyrian numerology stuff that we got on the original Standard of Slayers.

Each Legion has 111 standards. If each of those can cover 111 Legionaries, we get 12,321 people covered, which, incidentally, is enough for the whole Legion and spare room for a few auxiliaries, such as some guys with those Silence birds we got.

If we go with @Goldfish gauging pricing at 9 IM per covered soldier, we got 999 IM per standard and 110,889 IM for the whole Legion to be put under PfE.


Sounds good?


Generally speaking, I think we should handle all pricing like this. Calculate how much it takes per soldier to cover the whole Legion, then multiply it by the covered people to get the price for enchanting it on the standard. This will end up cheaply, but at the same time, we need a high-level caster for this.
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Azel said:
So... pretty much useless for the size of actual armies.

@Duesal, @Goldfish, do you happen to have a bookmark for the old calculations we did for PfE standards? We had worked out some attunement mechanic for those.
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Actually, for the price, they're still pretty good and could see steady use.

I think it's all covered here.

Goldfish said:
My proposal is feasible, both in price and time needed to implement it. We could start churning these out tomorrow and have dozens of them in place by the end of next month. What ya'll want is going to be a much, much more expensive and time consuming endeavor.

Here's one method of spreading Protection from Evil to as many Legion soldiers as possible. It's the only remotely practical method I can think of.

First we start with Protection from Evil. It's a 1st level spell, but we'll be casting it at 11th level due to the necessary Metamagics.

Then we add Reach Spell to it, and not the shitty D&D version, which wouldn't be feasible at all, but the Pathfinder version which is quite nice (though DP would have to make an exception to allow us to use it). This will be a +2 spell level increase, in order to give the banner pole a range of 210 feet. If we only increased it by +1, the banner pole's range would be just 50 feet, and that would make it very difficult to keep very many Legion soldiers protected.

Next comes Chain Spell, in order to allow each casting of the spell to affect more people. The minimum caster level of the banner pole is 11th, so each casting will affect up to 12 people. This increases the spell level by another +3.

Now our spell is up to 6th level with a caster level of 11th. If it activates as often as possible, ten times per minute, it would be able to affect 120 people per minute, each of whom would be warded by Protection from Evil for 11 minutes. Assuming maximum possible efficiency, the banner pole could ward up to 1,320 Legion soldiers without allowing the effect to fall off any of them, so long as they stayed within range.

(6 x 11) x 1,800 = 118,800 gold / 10 = 11,880 IM (59 enchanting days)

If we increase the Reach Spell level adjustment to +3 in order to give it a range of 920 feet, the banner pole would instead have a minimum caster level of 13th the the Protection from Evil effect would be the equivalent to a 7th level spell. In that case, each casting of the spell would affect 14 people, or 140 per minute, and up to 1,820 could be warded continuously, again assuming maximum efficiency.

(7 x 13) x 1,800 = 163,800 gold / 10 = 16,380 IM (81.9 enchanting days)

And if we add Extend Spell into the mix to double the duration, the Protection from Evil becomes an 8th level spell with a minimum caster level of 15th. Range would increase to 1,000 feet and 160 people per minute could be affected, up to 4,800 now that the effect lasts 30 minutes.

(8 x 15) x 1,800 = 216,000 gold / 10 = 21,600 IM (108 enchanting days)

My apologies for getting overly pedantic here, but I'm just trying to be realistic about what we can reasonably accomplish. If ya'll want to do this, my advice would be to immediately go to Armun Kelisk and the Opaline Vault and commission ten of them in each. The last of the three I provided pricing for would be the most expensive and take the longest, but would also be the most practical, given the potential range of the effect and how many people could be affected. In a little over 3.5 months we could have enough enchanted banner poles to protect 96,000 Legion soldiers, at a combined price of 864,000 IM (remember, market price is double what we pay to enchant stuff on our own).
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Goldfish said:
Duration doesn't do you any good if your people aren't within range of the spell. Reached and Chained Protection from Evil is the only practical way to do it, using the magic item creation rules. If DP wants to fudge something for us, then that's another ballgame entirely.

Magic Circle Against Evil is only a 10ft radius AoE. As a third level spell, it could be Widened a maximum of two times, increasing its radius to 40 feet, but then it would be a 9th level spell.

I made a slight mistake in the math on my earlier post for the 8th level version. I forgot to include the Extend Spell's doubled duration, which means the banner pole could affect up to 4,800 Legion soldiers.

There is one more boost we could put on it, to add Enlarge Spell. That would raise the Protection from Evil to a 9th level spell effect with a minimum caster level of 17th. In that cast, 180 people could be affected per minute, or up to 6,120 within a range of 2,160 feet.

(9 x 17) x 1,800 = 275,400 gold / 27,540 IM (137.7 crafting days)

This is the most expensive option, but also the best for affecting the most people over the largest possible range.
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@Azel @Duesal I posted this a week or two ago when we were talking about the Legion standards having PfE effects. The prices I came up with were if we enchanted them ourselves. That would be doubled if we commissioned them, of course. It's still the most cost effective manner of providing wide scale PfE.

The 8th level version, at 15th caster level, would cost 43,200 IM to commission, but affect up to 4,800 Legion soldiers. That's only 9 IM per soldier.

Considering that DP lets us commission Mind Blank items which cost 22,000 IM each in just a month, we might be able to get the standards enchanted in just two months.

I know ya'll want DP to fudge something up to make it cheaper, but this really isn't bad at all. 43,200 IM is ton of money, of course, but its extremely cost effective. Not only would the Legion benefit from the protection from mental tampering, they would also get a +2 Resistance bonus to their saving throws and a +2 Deflection bonus to AC against Evil opponents. That's a significant boost to their defensive abilities.

EDIT: Something else to consider is that the spell would have a caster level of 15. That would make it much more difficult to Dispel than a minimum caster level PfE item.
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Duesal said:
Is this what you were looking for?
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Goldfish said:
Actually, for the price, they're still pretty good and could see steady use.

I think it's all covered here.
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Yeah, that. We kinda arrived at the compromise to assume that each of the 111 standards of a Legion can affect 111 soldiers each when properly atuned, thus covering the whole Legion.

We just never settled on a final cost per soldier for a given effect.

That makes the whole math a lot easier:
Cost per Soldier * 111 = Cost per Standard
Cost per Standard * 111 = Cost per Legion

It also removes the insanity of tracking hundreds of AoE's.
 
Artemis1992 said:
They are extremly mobile and use that a lot.
A 30ft radius around one point is far too constraining for their style.
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Goldfish said:
Not really. The range of the effect is too limited for aerial archers and they have better things to do than hold a standard while flying.
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I was actually just thinking of getting them some kind of Standard-Bearer minion to do it for them, but fair enough if it's not worth it.
 
Won't we use the Erynies as stealth commandos/assassins? Taking out officers on the battlefield (and otherwhere), VIP bodyguard, summoning security, B-party beef-up, ...
 
Short overview of our accounts right now after buying up the Tyrell debts we could get our grubby little claws on.

Code: 
Liquid Assets
Cash                  4,060,840.53 IM
Treasure                 35,635.00 IM
Crafting Materials      283,693.02 IM
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Total                 4,380,168.55 IM
Code: 
Non-Liquid Assets
Volantis Investments           43,750.00 IM
Yi-Ti Expedition Cargo      1,200,000.00 IM
Tyrell Credit               1,541,609.32 IM
Ironborn Credit             1,005,006.25 IM
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Total                       3,790,365.57 IM
Code: 
Currency Reserves
Silk Notes              10,000,000.00 IM
Glass Scepters          10,000,000.00 IM
Gold                       570,890.13 IM
Imperial Mark            5,429,109.87 IM
Iron Bank Deposit        4,000,000.00 IM
Currency Issuing      - 20,000,000.00 IM
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Total                   10,000,000.00 IM

Grand Total: 18,170,534.12 IM

This excludes the net value of the various companies we own and the value of our current stockpiles of rare materials and equipment.
 
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Also, @Goldfish:
DragonParadox said:
After the guardian fey sweeps out of the temple, drawing a curious but respectful crowd of onlookers, Lya takes the moment to tell you more of other items of power you may wish to sacrifice, taken from the Ala spirits you battled in the Far North and the great Elephantine fiend in Volantis.

"The hags' amulets are among the most potent talismans I have ever seen, at the small price of the bearer's immortal soul." She laughs wearily. "The best I can say of that is that becoming winter-touched would not be subtle."

Ala Amulets identified

Brand of Winter

Description: Wrought of blue ice born of deepest winter, grown around the seed of a dying child's tear, these amulets hold great power and great cost, binding the fate of the bearer with that of Eternal Night.

Ability: The bearer gains Mettle and Evasion as bonus feats (takes no damage on successful Fortitude and Reflex saves where they would otherwise take half).

Special: Can only be used by Winter-Touched (UMD DC 35 to replicate). If it is worn by a non-Winter-Touched then it clings to them as a curse, and at midnight the next day after equipping the token the bearer must make a DC 22 Will save or fall under Winter's power.

"Can anything be made of the things, or should they merely be offered as sacrifice to the Old Gods?" you ask, looking down with some disgust at the small crystalline trinkets.

"I think I used all the ones we have left, I might be able to make one untainted amulet or ring that is about half as effective as these are," Lya replies, having obviously thought of the matter.
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We're allowed to get one Talisman of Mettle. That said, I'm beginning to think instead of making the Talisman, we should keep this and fully reverse engineer it. I'm pretty sure Lya could pull it off when she reaches Runecrafting IV.
 
Snowfire said:
The act that had destroyed them had been the choice of a single man, who stood a few steps from me
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Now, if she were more neutral I'd expect her to say something to the tune of "they only lost when their Strenght turned against themselves".

Clearly, a woman in love such as this only sees her darling's deeds :V
Snowfire said:
"Some among you," the steady words continued, "would argue to hold to tradition, blithely confident that what has served for this long will surely endure," another pause, and I felt the room suddenly take a breath, holding it, waiting. "Yet those with eyes to see know the world is not the same as it was when those traditions were made. You, the keepers of wisdom, must know how the last century has changed the world. How magic has flowered across the breadth of the planet in uncounted places, and how your dictates and tradition have not been sufficient to the task. How they have failed time and again to catch and nurture those blossoms."
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The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Snowfire said:
Oh, Dresden had done his part, and Luccio too. But without…Viserys Targaryen, you'd have been able to keep them stalled for years.
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When I read this I thought it was the TotallyNotBlackCouncil guy.

Because this is very antagonistic. As in, against the Wizards themselves. He seemingly recognizes the inherent value and inevitability of such changes and has been trying to stall them.
 
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