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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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...we rarely have displays of total domination and overwhelming power on personal scale these days.

[X] Artemis1992
 
DragonParadox said:
I believe the point is if you initiate hostilities however brief without need it could sour relations and make selling them on say giving you their lore harder.
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I was assuming they would initiate hostilities anyway. Ending them non-lethally was the most diplomatic option that came to mind.

@Crake
Can we settle for a compromise?

Something that includes getting to her without fighting the whole clan, but not as little effect as a single Sending?
 
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OK, let's see here

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 1, 2019 at 2:35 PM, finished with 248 posts and 18 votes.
  • [X] Plan "Food for the Crows"
    -[X] Somewhat sardonically: "Something tells me things won't be that simple."
    -[X] Use a sending to contact her, to see if she would be interested in meeting her father, and whether or not she is feeling particularly vengeful due to her current circumstances. A vague explanation that you are in contact with her father preceding that should suffice.
    -[X] Depending on her answer, and the apparent urgency of her reply, pledge to take Mors Umber Beyond-the-Wall to see her/retrieve her.
    [X] Ask Mors if he would be okay to go there right now, it would require being turned to smoke and kept in a bottle for a few minutes, he shouldn't even notice the time passing until he's North.
    [X] Bottle Crowfood and, if they have an afternoon to spare, Waymar, Lya and Softstrider for the journey
    -[X] Insist that Umber swears not to start hostilities before we have talked over the entire situation with his daughter
    --[X] It is possible that her abductor is not here, since the Thenn rarely go south, or even if he is, Umber's daughter and grandchild may not want to see him gutted, so first we talk things over and then decide all together what to do
    [X] Treestride to the nearest Weirwood to the Thenn's Hall
    -[X] Sacrfice something of low value from the Larder for safe travel
    -[X] Enter and have a chat with the girl, deter attackers non-lethally.
    -[X] Find out about her situation and how she would feel about going back south (with her son if she wishes of course)
    [X] Offer him help getting to the Valley of the Thenns and recover his daughter so long as he swears to follow the lead of whatever negotiator you appoint
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@tarrangar never mind I misread your point.

I was pointing out him not being willing to do the deed himself was not better than him encouraging it.

So my baaad.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I was assuming they would initiate hostilities anyway. Ending them non-lethally was the most diplomatic option that came to mind.

@Crake
Can we settle for a compromise?

Something that includes getting to her without fighting the whole clan, but not as little effect as a single Sending?
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Honestly we don't have to take care of this now. I am not convinced that this is urgent enough to take care of right now in the first place, hence doing no more than saying we'll see what's there to be seen. A reasonable enough offer.
 
Crake said:
People resent being made a fool of and feeling powerless.

Who would have guessed?
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Crake said:
Honestly we don't have to take care of this now. I am not convinced that this is urgent enough to take care of right now in the first place, hence doing no more than saying we'll see what's there to be seen. A reasonable enough offer.
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Anything but a Sending.
That's wasting real time update space for near nothing and we'll have to take an action next month, or the one after that.

Please vote to actually do something.
 
Artemis1992 said:
From our previous experiences first contact with Wildlings is always violent, if we can stop the violence without killing people or showing weakness, that's a good start for future negotiations.

This is diplomacy.
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No, it isn't. The Thenn's are a legitimately organized civilization with metal weapons and culture, not the stereotypical wildlings - and even then I seriously contest your statement that any interaction has to be initially violent. This isn't diplomacy, this isn't thought out, this is just half-assed showing off for no good reason.

[X] Crake
 
[X] Plan "Food for the Crows"
-[X] Somewhat sardonically: "Something tells me things won't be that simple."
-[X] Use a sending to contact her, to see if she would be interested in meeting her father, and whether or not she is feeling particularly vengeful due to her current circumstances. A vague explanation that you are in contact with her father preceding that should suffice.
-[X] Depending on her answer, and the apparent urgency of her reply, pledge to take Mors Umber Beyond-the-Wall to see her/retrieve her.

Well my vote hasn't changed.
 
Dear fuck... soo much stuff to be angry about and so little time...

[X] Let Dany take Mors and Viserys along for a dream visit to his daughter.

There. Proper meeting achieved without any if this hassle.
 
[X] Ask Mors if he would be okay to go there right now, it would require being turned to smoke and kept in a bottle for a few minutes, he shouldn't even notice the time passing until he's North.
[X] Bottle Crowfood and, if they have an afternoon to spare, Waymar, Lya and Softstrider for the journey
-[X] Insist that Umber swears not to start hostilities before we have talked over the entire situation with his daughter
--[X] It is possible that her abductor is not here, since the Thenn rarely go south, or even if he is, Umber's daughter and grandchild may not want to see him gutted, so first we talk things over and then decide all together what to do
[X] Treestride to the nearest Weirwood to the Thenn's Hall
-[X] Sacrfice something of low value from the Larder for safe travel
-[X] Enter alone under Superior Invisibility and offer her a chance to talk to her father
-[X] If she's willing ask her to get somewhere out of sight and then Dimension Door with her out of the camp to a place nearby where the group is waiting
-[X] Find out about her situation and how she would feel about going back south (with her son if she wishes of course)

Now the violence is pushed into the future.
I still believe it's inevitable, but the vote to actually contact the Thenns won't be my problem then.
 
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[X] Azel

Sensible, and more productive than my vote.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Mar 1, 2019 at 2:43 PM, finished with 261 posts and 19 votes.
  • [X] Azel
    [X] Ask Mors if he would be okay to go there right now, it would require being turned to smoke and kept in a bottle for a few minutes, he shouldn't even notice the time passing until he's North.
    [X] Bottle Crowfood and, if they have an afternoon to spare, Waymar, Lya and Softstrider for the journey
    -[X] Insist that Umber swears not to start hostilities before we have talked over the entire situation with his daughter
    --[X] It is possible that her abductor is not here, since the Thenn rarely go south, or even if he is, Umber's daughter and grandchild may not want to see him gutted, so first we talk things over and then decide all together what to do
    [X] Treestride to the nearest Weirwood to the Thenn's Hall
    -[X] Sacrfice something of low value from the Larder for safe travel
    -[X] Enter alone under Superior Invisibility and offer her a chance to talk to her father
    -[X] If she's willing ask her to get somewhere out of sight and then Dimension Door with her out of the camp to a place nearby where the group is waiting
    -[X] Find out about her situation and how she would feel about going back south (with her son if she wishes of course)
    [X] Plan "Food for the Crows"
    -[X] Somewhat sardonically: "Something tells me things won't be that simple."
    -[X] Use a sending to contact her, to see if she would be interested in meeting her father, and whether or not she is feeling particularly vengeful due to her current circumstances. A vague explanation that you are in contact with her father preceding that should suffice.
    -[X] Depending on her answer, and the apparent urgency of her reply, pledge to take Mors Umber Beyond-the-Wall to see her/retrieve her.
    [X] Offer him help getting to the Valley of the Thenns and recover his daughter so long as he swears to follow the lead of whatever negotiator you appoint
    [X] Let Dany take Mors and Viserys along for a dream visit to his daughter.
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Azel said:
Dear fuck... soo much stuff to be angry about and so little time...

[X] Let Dany take Mors and Viserys along for a dream visit to his daughter.

There. Proper meeting achieved without any if this hassle.
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Dreaming that far North is propably more dangerous than than fighting a thousand wildlings while in our undergarments.
Not that that's a bad idea, but don't underestimate it.
 
Damn, having to work at work is annoying. Just had to skim through four or five pages of posts to try to catch up on less than two hours. I need to win the lottery.

@DragonParadox Great interlude. Ned seems like he would be more difficult to write than Sandor.
 
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[X] Azel

I really need to start making votes of my own, we need more people capable of handling shit like this than Azel. It's fucking obnoxious and absurd.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Dreaming that far North is propably more dangerous than than fighting a thousand wildlings while in our undergarments.
Not that that's a bad idea, but don't underestimate it.
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Dany has enough Dream Weaver levels by now to punch straight through to her. The issues cropped up back when we were much lower leveled and had to actually travel the intervening distances.
 
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