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I think you're kind of missing my point. I'm not saying that the Thenn's could feasibly kill us, I'm saying forcing our way through their settlement like a god is completely unnecessary and will cause all sorts of problems.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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How would you deal with Wildlings if not by showing unassailable strenght?
Even Maelor did well with that and it's nothis usual style at all.
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Or we could simply not reveal our presence at all, instead of treating the Thenn's like stupid barbarians in need of cowing.
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tarrangar
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It's better, one suggest that he has anger problems that override his normal morals which is bad, the other suggest that he basically has no moral problems with children being killed which is worse.
It's not good no matter what, but it's better for Roberts reaction to be the exception not the norm for him.
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@DragonParadox
You did a good job writing Ned as the man who sees what's written on the wall and has a sense of what the reality of the situation is, but whose loyalty and ideals won't let him give up on his friend.
Honestly, I'm expecting Ned to try to find a third option of some sort that doesn't lead to Robert dying. Whether or not he succeeds is another matter entirely.
@ThennGate:
The Big Thing is that it's within Bloodraven's interests to have the Thenns be resolved diplomatically so they're cooperative in the whole "Move South, Join The Anti-Other Industry, Help Kill Winter" thing we're setting up. While we could just stomp through there, that would kind of ruin the efforts that Bloodraven already set up to make the Thenns amendable to Southern contact (iirc).
The "Imbue Mor with Sending, set the two of them up to have a conversation so we can figure out what actually happened and what to do" is probably a solid route to a diplomatic resolution assuming we aren't able to bypass the XP requirement of Commune somehow.
Buying a few items of Commune might be a good idea for strategic reasons @Azel @Goldfish.
You did a good job writing Ned as the man who sees what's written on the wall and has a sense of what the reality of the situation is, but whose loyalty and ideals won't let him give up on his friend.
Honestly, I'm expecting Ned to try to find a third option of some sort that doesn't lead to Robert dying. Whether or not he succeeds is another matter entirely.
@ThennGate:
The Big Thing is that it's within Bloodraven's interests to have the Thenns be resolved diplomatically so they're cooperative in the whole "Move South, Join The Anti-Other Industry, Help Kill Winter" thing we're setting up. While we could just stomp through there, that would kind of ruin the efforts that Bloodraven already set up to make the Thenns amendable to Southern contact (iirc).
The "Imbue Mor with Sending, set the two of them up to have a conversation so we can figure out what actually happened and what to do" is probably a solid route to a diplomatic resolution assuming we aren't able to bypass the XP requirement of Commune somehow.
Buying a few items of Commune might be a good idea for strategic reasons @Azel @Goldfish.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
I always get at most 500 results when I search no more, sometime less when there's less than 500 results, but never more than 500 results.
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Hey actually, If we play this right. We may barely even have to 'invade'.
Once Roberts gone, and Ned figures out everything, the divide will start. Tywin will get either himself, Cerci, or Jaime made hand and steward with joffery so young.
Ned, figuring out that they are not roberts heirs, causes a divide. We have brynden 'varys' spirit Ned away. Then the Game of Thrones begins in earnest.
Stannis initially figures he should be on the throne now, but I think we can fairly easily swing him to our side. That gives us the Stormlands. Ned follows with that, having originally believed stannis should be on the throne as well, but follows his lead. That gives us teh north.
Dorne is our ally by default.
With Ned on our side, we should be able to have the tully's see reason as well. They already have doubts towards the current setup. In this i suspect Caitlyn will actually be against us. But hopefully Ned will influence her enough to remain quiet.
Then the Freys are already on our side, thats basically the entire riverlands.
The Iron Islands are mostly irrelevent now. We have completely superior navy, and they don't have much to offer.
Finally we have teh vale, the reach and the westerlands.
The vale is Arryns location. I think this will end up being a similar circumstance to ASOIAF, and they just lockup.
The reach is in for smacking, how much just depends on whether they respond to our call quick enough this time.
The westerlands is the lannisters, need i explain more?
Bassically playing our cards right gives up more than 60% of westerous' support. We take kings landing, demolish the lannisters, and we are basically done.
Does this sound wrong to anyone?
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You won't get more, but you'll get the next bunch.
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Should we speak with the Tyrells at some point soon? For all their ambition, the upcoming generation is very talented. We have Willas the Scholarly Gentleman, Garlan the Warrior Gentleman, Loras the Narcissistic Warrior and Margaery who is basically Queen of Thorns 2.0. Garlan marrying Arianne would end the Dorne Reach rivalry as well.
Well there is the action in Highgarden next month. You might want to slow down Robert though if you want time to properly diplomance the Reach.
Anyway vote closed
Edit: Or not it looks like we have a tie.
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From our previous experiences first contact with Wildlings is always violent, if we can stop the violence without killing people or showing weakness, that's a good start for future negotiations.
This is diplomacy.
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I could see us doing that. But there are some in this thread who would like to see the Tyrells abolished similarly to the Lannisters.
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[X] Artemis1992
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Fuck no. "It was legal" is an IC excuse, and OOC not everyone agreed with it. Case in point, me.
Killing all the slavers increases instability, increases odds of mad demon cults, and causes a lot of short-term problems we don't want (economy, political, administrative, etc).
It also leads to weird cases like "kill an 8 year-old who inherited slaves but never really saw or understood the problem".
And sure, some people can say "but they were raised in a world where this was normal!"
My answer:
- Some did all they could to act like decent people. The others? Fuck them.
- Anti-slavery views existed IC. Braavos, Westeros... Most of them had another option.
- We're not asking them to have fought against slavery! Simply to not have tortured people in broad daylight, or had slaves executed for shitty reasons!
- Fuck slave traders. They saw the cruel results of their actions ever day, and they stick with it. This isn't a "most things happened out of my sight, in rural plantations" situation for them: here they went out and caused that misery themselves.
Yeah, fuck cultural relativism. It's far too often an excuse to be evil and reject outside criticism.
"You should accept our treatment of women, minorities and the poor because it's part of our culture! We aren't individualistic like you, we need order!"
Yeah, no.
Being part of a culture changes your standards of "normal", sure. And most people don't act. But there's a point where you should see that what you are doing is straight-up evil. Where it becomes obvious that you would hate someone else to treat you this way. And if you shove the thoughts away and keep going because it's more convenient for you? If you don't try some sort of direct or indirect action in the moment or at least in the future?
Fuck you and your high horse.
Sorry Crake. I have a good opinion of you, and don't peg people as "utter shithole" for a single forum post that way probably not a well thought-out personal revelation
I assumed that you just hadn't thought things through, or that the gap between thoughts and the written word hadn't been perfectly crossed.
I was angry at the implication, not at you.
You make me laugh on the internet: therefore I have a high tolerance before finally admitting that I wouldn't actually like you.
[Kinda like 4chan. Is the place a shithole? Yes. Does it have great tg art threads and some hilarious trolling/arguments? Also yes. Will I stop going there? ... Probably never entirely]
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tarrangar
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Thank you now my ability to hug Crake, is only limited by his total amount of posts.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Robert from the books, was described to have "a madness in him" when it comes to Targaryens.
Fuck no. "It was legal" is an IC excuse, and OOC not everyone agreed with it. Case in point, me.
Killing all the slavers increases instability, increases odds of mad demon cults, and causes a lot of short-term problems we don't want (economy, political, administrative, etc).
It also leads to weird cases like "kill an 8 year-old who inherited slaves but never really saw or understood the problem.
And sure, some people can say "but they were raised in a world where this was normal!"
My answer:
And that is the problem with wife-stealing. On canon we see examples that are closer to WoT Aiel: a ritual, mostly faked kidnapping between people who agreed to this in advance. But the cases that are closer to saltwife bullshit? Where you go out there, hunt down human beings, and personally kidnap them and rape them? Fuck you and die.
- Some did all they could to act like decent people. The others? Fuck them.
- Anti-slavery views existed IC. Braavos, Westeros... Most of them had another option.
- We're not asking them to have fought against slavery! Simply to not have tortured people in broad daylight, or had slaves executed for shitty reasons! (And this is IMO already being nice)
- Fuck slave traders. They saw the cruel results of their actions ever day, and they stick with it. This isn't a "most things happened out of my sight, in rural plantations" situation for them: here they went out and caused that misery themselves.
Yeah, fuck cultural relativism. It's far too often an excuse to be evil and reject outside criticism.
"You should accept our treatment of women, minorities and the poor because it's part of our culture! We aren't individualistic like you, we need order!"
Yeah, no.
Being part of a culture changes your standards of "normal", sure. And most people don't act. But there's a point where you should see that what you are doing is straight-up evil. Where it becomes obvious that you would hate someone else to treat youthis way. And if you shove the thoughts away and keep going because it's more convenient for you? If you don't try some sort of direct or indirect action in the moment or at least in the future?
Fuck you and your high horse.
Sorry Crake. I have a good opinion of you, and don't peg people as "utter shithole" for a single forum post that way probably not a well thought-out personal revelation
I assumed that you just hadn't thought things through, or that the gap between thoughts and the written word hadn't been perfectly crossed.
I was angry at the implication, not at you.
You make me laugh on the internet: therefore I have a high tolerance before finally admitting that I wouldn't actually like you.
[Kinda like 4chan. Is the place a shithole? Yes. Does it have great tg art threads and some hilarious trolling/arguments? Also yes. Will I stop going there? ... Probably never entirely]
Well, I'm entirely willing to admit I might have been wrong, which is a bit more than most people on the internet are willing to go to the lengths to do.
enigma1995
Gentleman Beholder
[X] Artemis1992
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Now you don't have a reason not to search through 12000 pages of quest if someone poses a question ... har har har
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