Is book three the blatant cash-grab of "I decided to share all the messed up things inside my head, and rather than rejecting me for my message like I expected, the people around me seem to relish them. :eyebrow:"
 
I just think it will be better to let him think about it.

Its not like he can return to Westeros after being prominent in the Tournament and Sandor had a brain a bit more useful than the usual Westerosi, so for once brooding might be the answer :V
 
I just think it will be better to let him think about it.

Its not like he can return to Westeros after being prominent in the Tournament and Sandor had a brain a bit more useful than the usual Westerosi, so for once brooding might be the answer :V

Then vote for me, my plan is leave him to think but not letting him stew by having him accompanied by the person in our employ least like a babysitter, he can't intimidate her away and they each have a grudging respect for each other.

A festival in our city was in part intended to highlight the benefits and differences of our realm, and one of his major problems is believing the world can't be different.
Adhoc vote count started by Deliste on Feb 24, 2019 at 8:35 PM, finished with 159 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Plan Sledgehammer Strike
    -[X] "I see. So that's why you call yourself the Hound. You've decided that being a beast on Tywins leash like him would be better then being powerless." // Which is 100% true and will 110% result with him attacking us, but we need to make a dent in his armor before we can go any further.
    -[X] You have DR 10/Silver and AC 42. Block the strike with your arm and trust your AC and DR to negate all damage. Otherwise use Wings of Cover.
    -[X] Motion for Dany and Leto to do nothing.
    -[X] "Wrath and fear make for poor blades Sandor, but they make fine chains to bind us with. Should you ever tire of them, you know where to find me. Until then, I wish you the best of luck in the tourney and beyond."
    -[X] Should he bring up loss or similar themes: "I lost a brother to Roberts hammer, a sister in law raped by Gregor, then slain together with my niece and nephew, and my mother dead in childbed, he strength barely enough to save my sister after all the horror that came before. Do not mistake patience for forgiveness Hound. The Lannisters always pay their debts after all and the crows won't mind them either."
    [X] Dang a Contesting Plan
    -[X] The world spins on injustice, suffering and cruelty. You can kill monsters and terrors for eons unending and having not changed a thing but yourself, it is on us to survive and strife. It is on us to build a better world, a world that has no need for the Tywins and Mountains.
    [X] Snowfire
    [X] Inspiration for the Impossible
    -[X] Take your leave
    -[X] Have Leto drag him out of his dreary room, doesn't matter where, doesn't matter what.//He can't see the paths because he is stuck in his mind, what better place than SD to show the impossible, what better guise?
    -[X] Viserys to tour the Bazaar. (Local Rumour post, Bazaar should be generally amazing at the time of the festival)
 
So, on Sandor, the easy way out seems to me to be asking him to take a knee. Short term solves our problem, if it doesn't backfire, and should allow for long-term fixes by generally unfucking his life.

The "not backfiring" part is an issue, I will grant that. He is halfway deconstructed now, we might simply have shot ourselves in the foot by seemingly offering a new, shinier chain.
 
Shinier chain notwithstanding, Sandor is currently serving as the hunting dog of people who don't give two shits about him above how useful he is as a weapon, whereas we have been perfectly happy finding enemies or causes that someone would especially prefer fighting against.

For instance we wouldn't ask Sandor to cut down peasants because his King's a jackass who pissed them off and shouted for their execution while surrounded by them on all sides.

If Sandor for instance exclusively wanted to help put down monsters, we have a catalog for him to work through, and his brother isn't the least among their number (for political and familial concerns if nothing else).
 
[X] Plan "Hurt Locker"
-[X] "We are two different people you and I, Sandor, but we've both experienced our own sorrows and tragedies. I can't promise what I did in response to them is the unequivocal 'right path', for I am still on it. Seeking out the threads of fate throughout our lives is what led to the war and madness that befell my House in part, as well as constant delusions dogging our footsteps that either the Gods are the ultimate arbitrators of such, playing with us as if we were pieces on a Cyvasse board, or else the delusion that we ourselves were Gods to be in command of the very hearts of all men. I can't command you to see that any more than Tywin Lannister can order me to die for having the temerity to escape an unchancy fate." There is no one size fits all solution, and offering him a place in our service would ring hollow when he thinks no option is worth pursuing, only that there are options and it is up to everyone to take them. Nothing is writ in stone so much as an exile with nothing to his name but the will to survive and succeed. Not even Tywin Lannister or Gregor Clegane can change any of that, whatever their monstrous desires. People also have to choose to be better, as we have.
-[X] "If we are to hold ourselves both accountable to the follies of those that came before us, so too must there be people to hold them accountable." This is self evident, the best way to create a world where the capricious whims of tyrants and madmen as much as monsters cannot reign supreme is one where men of character stand up as examples for others to adhere to.
-[X] "We are often on the lookout for allies in that task, given the many twists and turns it has led us down." Wording is important here. Allies. Not servants. Not dogs. Friends. Companions. People who can rely on each other on the battlefield and off of it, and keep each other on the right course.
-[X] "Good fortune in the tourney, Clegane. I really mean that. I believe if you simply look around you will witness some of the answers you are looking for... but personally, I am inclined towards finding those answers for myself." Surreptitiously leave Leto behind, she has defied the dictates of Hell herself to carve her own path forward, facing the depthless Abyss and the brutal chains of Baator's tyranny like the twinned executioner's axe of despair. These two have a lot in common.
 
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@Crake Maybe suggest getting his burn scars healed away?

No direct attacks on his identity, please. If there's one thing I've picked up about recruiting people with issues in this quest, you have to let them make decisions like that on their own. Either they accept it and feel hollow when someone just waltzes in and magicks away their problems, or they lash out and get angry because you've given them a rope to cling to called trauma.
 
Good job @Crake, I like it overall and particularly the fact that you don't try to force a solution, surreptitiously give Fate the ol' verbal what for and Leto you one-upped me and played her too, leaving her behind means later she will have to reflect that she chose to stay.

[X] Crake

Also I have a nice fluffy image of Sandor astride Stranger as Gregor takes arrows to the knee from on high, roaring like a fool in the mud.

The day Sandor can hold Gregor's life and tell him he doesn't need nor want it is a good day.
 
[X] Crake

Is it just me, or I'd rather have Rhaella hide her identity for a little while longer?

I want to ham it up, after we capture Tywin, we reveal to the world Rhaenys, Elia, and Rhaella, each dropping their glamours, each stating, "Vengeance", "Justice", & "Fire and Blood" respectively?

Or probably broadcast it at the very start of the second conquest?
 
[X] Crake

I'm always somewhat fearful that someone might try to kidnap Rhaenys but then I remember that Yss would literally warn us of all intruders. Not to mention the Inquisition.
 
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